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Review

Thanks for the review, Jubileeclipman! AirplaneProRadioChecklist 16:39, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

No problem! --Jubilee♫clipman 19:20, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

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Mod MMG (User Page) Reply on my talkpage. Do NOT click this link 21:58, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

No problem! --Jubilee♫clipman 22:14, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

Question

Was I being bitey towards User:Mod mmg? I am not really sure, but if I was, I want to apoligize... Homework2 TalkWhat I do! 16:08, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

You stated your case clearly, constructively and respectfully, stayed calm and were never hostile. Therefore, far better than the rest of us in all respects, TBO! Really what happened was that several editors got involved in quick succession (4 eventually) and that situation could have caused the new editor to feel overwhelmed. Probably the best thing to do now is leave it and let Mod mmg work out what she/he wants to do. The signature is marginally confusing and distracting but nowhere near as bad as some. One editor insisted on forcing the four tildes to appear as his signature, others have used highly insulting language (homophobic, racist, sexist etc), others still have linked to attack pages or used pornographic external links etc, and yet others have created giant chains of markup that take up four or five lines in the edit box. That was what I meant by saying "it is hardly a blockable signature". OTOH, the fact that Mod mmg copied the entire thread over to editors' talkpages was pretty annoying and something had to be said. Perhaps each of us (me included) could perhaps have been a little more civil when explaining our problem with the approach but we were all a little peeved! We'll have to wait to see if Mod starts editing again over the weekend (as implied) before we get any idea if the incident has put him/her off editing. My guess is that it hasn't and that we will have the opportunity to work collaboratively with Mod and move on --Jubilee♫clipman 18:40, 11 June 2010 (UTC)
Oops... I used Talkback before I saw Don't place a talkback on my page, that just is plain annoying. I removed it... I will remember for next time! --Jubilee♫clipman 18:49, 11 June 2010 (UTC)
Phew. Okay. I really don't want to have any type of conflict on my record...LOL. I was curious as to why there was a "new messages" banner and nothing new was on my page. Thanks! Homework2 TalkWhat I do! 20:10, 11 June 2010 (UTC)
LOL! You should look at my history sometime... Especially around February/March this year! The thing about conflicts is that they happen; the thing to do is to learn from them. On the talkback thing: I wondered if you still get the orange banner thingy even though I had deleted my post; now I know!  :) --Jubilee♫clipman 20:19, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

Grab some glory, and a barnstar

Hi, I'd like to invite you to participate in the Guild of Copy Editors July 2010 Backlog Elimination Drive. In May, about 30 editors helped remove the {{copyedit}} tag from 1175 articles. The backlog is still over 7500 articles, and extends back to the beginning of 2008! We really need your help to reduce it. Copyediting just a couple articles can qualify you for a barnstar. Serious copyeditors can win prestigious and exclusive rewards. See the event page for more information. And thanks for your consideration. mono 00:39, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

Thanks Mono. I'll have a look at that. I'll probably be tied up with sorting out the Music Guidelines though along with several other things here and in RL... It can go in my growing To-do list, though --Jubilee♫clipman 00:44, 12 June 2010 (UTC)
Anything is appreciated, even a stub. If you're the slightest bit interested, sign up and see how much you can do. Cheers, mono 00:47, 12 June 2010 (UTC)
OK. Thanks --Jubilee♫clipman 00:49, 12 June 2010 (UTC)
Thank you very much for signing up for the July Backlog Elimination Drive! The copyedit backlog stretches back two and a half years, all the way back to the beginning of 2008! We're really going to need all the help we can muster to get it down to a manageable number. We've ambitiously set a goal of clearing all of 2008 from the backlog this month. In order to do that, we're going to need more participants. Is there anyone that you can invite or ask to participate with you? If so, we're offering an award to the person who brings in the most referrals. Just notify ɳorɑfʈ Talk! or Diannaa TALK of who your referrals are. Once again, thanks for your support! Diannaa TALK 03:08, 12 June 2010 (UTC)
There are probably a few people I could ask. I notice Jimbo has signed up! Good for him. I'll primarily focus on music articles. I use CatScan to cross-reference categories and templates: in this case, music WikiProject talkpage banners with Category:All articles needing copy edit (and its sub-cats). Some of these articles are awful, especially those on lesser-known musicians and compositions. BTW, what happens if I copy edit an article that has been PRODed or AfDed, or is likely to be? Does it still count if the article is deleted? --Jubilee♫clipman 20:54, 12 June 2010 (UTC)
Yes, articles that are deleted still count. Though if you concentrate your attentions on articles that have been in the backlog for a while, you will see that the obvious AfDs are already gone. The CatScan idea is terrific. People often ask how to find a list of articles needing copy edit on a specific topic. I will have to experiment with its use! :) Thanks for the tip. YES! Jimbo signed up! As well as some admins and other high profile users. It's gonna be huge! Diannaa TALK 21:05, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

Yep, CatScan is darn useful and powerful! It can play up, though, and it takes a while to get used to using it. E.g., you have to ask it explicitly to search talkpages for WikiProject banners; also, you need to ask it explicitly to search subcats to a specific depth (5 usually does the trick). Deskford found it during the unreferenced BLP clean-up drive and we used it to find all the composer articles that needed refs: Category:All unreferenced BLPs [crossed with the various WikiProject banners did the trick mostly, though crossing with Category:Classical composers got others. It depends entirely on which banners and cats have been added, of course --Jubilee♫clipman 22:28, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

Thanks again. I tried out Cat Scan and it was easy! I have posted info on this tip on the Guild home page. Diannaa TALK 04:12, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

Manual of Style discussion

Hello. Apologies for being part of such a distraction on that discussion page. I'll try to lay low for a while. My only request is that more editors be made aware of the discussion. Namely, User:JackofOz as he has expressed a lot of interest in this topic. See User:JackofOz/Musical styles to show how interested he is and check that page's history for other interested users. I am not necessarily against some of the suggested changes and I'm very impressed with some of the documented citations that were often found for each suggestion. Even in cases where I prefer a different style, its just a style and I don't want to be WP:LAME over capitalization and spaces. As long as users are aware and not surprised when the style changes are propagated into article edits, then I'm OK and I'll enforce whatever new standards are created. Thanks.DavidRF (talk) 23:13, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

David: you have little to apologise for beyond getting a little over-heated at times. You took Hyacinth to task over the seeping changes he made without discussion but he refused to listen to you, ignored PL290 and me (until I had made 3 or 4 comments) and continued to push his cause and make changes. BTW, it is a rare thing for Melodia to comment in such circumstances and I am surprised she laid off the ALLCAPS! Her summing up is exactly correct: this has been discussed and settled in the past and further changes need to be discussed widely rather than not at all. I also don't entirely disagree with Hyacinth's proposed changes but the fact that he found "3 1/2" sources claiming his position could probably be countered with 3 1/2 claiming the opposite if we care to look. It is a pretty lame discussion, though, you are right! --Jubilee♫clipman 23:58, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

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Thanks Mono! --Jubilee♫clipman 07:49, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

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Finally, someone who sees the crux of the matter! A hearty THANK YOU for your post.  :) have a ni... Eh, forget it.  ;)-- φ OnePt618Talk φ 03:07, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

No problem. Thank you for the pie! --Jubilee♫clipman 03:10, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
Sadly, I fear there is no remorse forthcoming; if I open a new RFC/U would you kindly certify it with me?-- φ OnePt618Talk φ 15:56, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
Frankly, I think we are flogging a dead horse. Let's wait a while longer to see if other editors join the discussion and add their voice, though. I'd only go to RFCU if this happens again. You can then bring up the fact that Greg failed to recognise his wrongdoing in this incident: that will lend weight to any claim that he is not as white as some editors seem to be painting him. I honestly can't believe that some over at WA appear to be claiming that you are the sole person to blame for this. Are they on the same page as us (as it were...)? --Jubilee♫clipman 19:49, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
Fair enuf; seems reasonable to me! Thanks again for your support; it's really appreciated :)-- φ OnePt618Talk φ 05:15, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
Sadly, looks like others are being bitten by him now. Look at this diff: [1] There are so many violations of WP:OWN in that one paragraph it's shocking.-- φ OnePt618Talk φ 15:46, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
Looks like he's picked a fight with the wrong guy there! I'd let Greg dig his own holes. If he attacks you again, take him to RFCU or ANI as appropriate. Otherwise, let him attack Chris Cunningham all he wants... OTOH, that dispute seems more like a battle of wits than a series of personal attacks. Both editors have very strong opposing views on a specific subject and express themselves in strongly worded posts to get their points across. Been there, done that and worn the tee-shirt... I almost got hauled to ANI, in fact, a few months back! I have also made an arse of myself on several WikiProject talkpages. I thought I was right and said so bluntly... so bluntly, in fact, that I risked inflaming the situation. I have been guilty the other way also. Sometimes it takes a while to recognise that an edit that appears to be personal attack is actually nothing of the sort: the editor has just expressed themselves in a perhaps unhelpful manner. After all, we can't actually see each other to gauge the often very subtle nuances behind the words. Face to face, we can tell if the speaker is speaking literally, ironically, or a mixture of the two. (Conditions like Aspergers Syndrome make it more difficult even then, of course.) Here, we only get the words... --Jubilee♫clipman 22:26, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
BTW, the guy that almost took me to ANI is also posting at that page... --Jubilee♫clipman 22:33, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
I have made some comments over at the Cobalt talkpage ad made some edits to the page itself that may interest you --Jubilee♫clipman 01:52, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

Thank you...

for my shiny thing! Best, Voceditenore (talk) 12:21, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

Well deserved! --Jubilee♫clipman 19:23, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

1812 Overture

The talk page is approx. 36kB, has 29 sections, 2 odf which have 5 or more comments, and has comments dating back to somewhere around 2007. Do you think I should archive some of it? Brambleclawx 17:34, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

On the contrary: I think you should archive all of it! You could perhaps keep Patriotic American holidays (as it is only 19 days old) and Sound files (for reference if any one is wondering where that file I deleted went...) The rest can certainly go, though, IMO: the third youngest section, Most used version, was created in January by an IP is still unanswered --Jubilee♫clipman 19:34, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
checkYLeft the unanswered and the two recent ones unarchived. Brambleclawx 20:49, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
That looks fine --Jubilee♫clipman 21:50, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

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Policy Review

Hi Jubilee... just wondering if your still reviewing Manual of Style? also wondered if you'd noticed the recent moving of MOS. Im not sure what the whole point was tbh... regards, Lil-unique1 (talk) 02:06, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

I am indeed: I just merged WP:Manual of Style (MUSTARD) into MOS:MUSIC (leaving out the redundant sections). I left MUSTARD intact but marked it Historical. The MoS pages were moved (by Gnevin) to "Wikipedia:Manual of Style (foo)[/subpage]" after a lot of debate at the main MoS talkpage in order to make all the names follow a consistent pattern. I still have a fair amount of work to do to tidy up the Music MoS after the merge but the bulk of the work has been done, I think --Jubilee♫clipman 07:39, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

MoS document history

In past discussions on the MoS talk page, concern has been expressed at various times about the lack of clear visibility of the status history of MoS-related pages, such as how, why and when they became part of the MoS. A recent conversation began an initiative to do something about it, but is in danger of fizzling out. This may be simply because folks are busy on other things. As a major contributor to recent MoS rationalization efforts, any contribution you could make to the discussion would be welcome, to help us come to a clear conclusion about whether to go with this or drop it. PL290 (talk) 08:05, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

Stuff I said

Does the advice I gave to Sir Francis on my talk page look any good to you? Brambleclawx 22:09, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

Seems fine. You might need to keep an eye on Category:Wikipedia sockpuppets of Sir Francis Drake (not really!), though... and expect another version of this user to pop up somewhere. I'll keep an eye out also. Cheers --Jubilee♫clipman 22:51, 26 June 2010 (UTC)
Not exactly related to this topic, but have you noticed that the Princess has disappeared? Brambleclawx 22:58, 26 June 2010 (UTC)
She's on wikibreak 'til tomorrow. Airplaneman ✈ 22:59, 26 June 2010 (UTC)
Really? How come I'm unaware of this? Brambleclawx 23:01, 26 June 2010 (UTC) 'Add Airplaneman, do you want to take a look at my newuserpage and see if I managed to shove it onto smaller screens? Brambleclawx 23:02, 26 June 2010 (UTC)
I thought you stalked her talk page Airplaneman ✈ 23:07, 26 June 2010 (UTC)
For me it is still going off the page when I zoom in :(. I'll tweak it and tell me how it looks. Link: User:Brambleclawx/newuserpage Airplaneman ✈ 23:10, 26 June 2010 (UTC)
How did I forget about that? And I thought the issue had nothing to do with zooming in? Brambleclawx 23:13, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

Either version works for me but then again I have a very wide screen. I'd forgotten about the Princess being on Wikibreak actually and was wondering where she had got to my self! Anyway, she's back now --Jubilee♫clipman 23:55, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

Yep, I'm back! Just so you know, it wasn't an optional thing. I was on vacation and did not have any Internet access the whole time. Anyhow, it's gonna take awhile to get back into the swing of things. BCx, the section with your userboxes (on the draft) runs into the bottom of the borders. That's the only thing I saw on a quick lookover. PrincessofLlyr royal court 00:00, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
Great! Nothing major to report, as far as I am aware --Jubilee♫clipman 00:11, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
I may not have mentioned it yet to you two, but Princess and Jubilee, you may edit my "newuserpage" and help out with its redesign. Brambleclawx 22:37, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
Ditto my present userpage! I think your new page is pretty good as it is, actually. It certainly looks very neat and logical. Not sure what I can do to enhance it further. Maybe add some of your mates to the background? I am surprised the fish is still there, actually! --Jubilee♫clipman 19:37, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

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