Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/History of video game consoles (eighth generation) (5th nomination)

History of video game consoles (eighth generation)

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The determination of what consoles belong to what generation - or more so when the next generation starts - is something that has to be done by secondary sources. While the 3DS does represent a significantly new unit, and is being called "the next generation" of the DS console, it does not equate that this is an eighth generation console. The sources provided in this article do not assert this fact, simply just an announcement of the 3DS and the PSP 2. MASEM (t) 01:42, 4 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Also as I note this is #5 AFD, I strongly recommend salt and full protection until such a time the WP:VG community asserts it is necessary to have an article. --MASEM (t) 01:44, 4 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

There is no need to delete - Yes, this article is mostly about the 3DS and the PSP 2, it also points to Sony, Nintendo, and Microsoft talking about there next gen home consoles. How do you think the 7th Generation article started? It was only about the PSP and the Nintendo DS. Unlike the previous 8th generation articles. This on has sources and has a great start to become a bigger article. Furthermore, Nintendo has stated that the Nintendo 3DS will succeed the Nintendo DS Series, which are currently 7th Generation Handhelds. A Major Successor usually states the beginning of a new Generation. I am not saying things like the release of the Nintendo DSi is "next gen" hardware. Microsoft said the Xbox 360 will succeed the original Xbox, Sony said the PlayStation 3 will succeed the PlayStation 2, Nintendo said the Nintendo DS will succeed the Game Boy Advance Series. Nintendo said the 3DS will succeed the Nintendo DS series, so it clearly belongs in a new generation. It uses different hardware than the Nintendo DS Family, the graphics are incomparable to the Nintendo DS. The 3DS is NOT 7th generation because it uses different media and is considered "Backward Compatible" To the Nintendo DS. If it was current generation, the DSi would be able to play 3DS Software. That's like asking "Why is the Dreamcast in the 6th Generation" or "Why put the Game Boy Advance in 6th Generation and Not 5th?". The 3DS belongs in the 8th Generation. Again, how do you think the 7th generation started? It was the Nintendo DS and the PSP. Every Article has to start somewhere. SBPBYABYXWAGDMKMID (talk) 02:12, 4 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Everything you've stated is original research. Is it reasonable? Sure. But is it allowable on Wikipedia? No - we have no source that says "the 3DS and the PSP2 are the first two consoles of the eighth generation". We know it's coming, but this is a case of WP:CRYSTAL and/or WP:HAMMER as per the 4 previous AFDs for this. --MASEM (t) 02:47, 4 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - clear case of WP:CRYSTAL.--70.80.234.196 (talk) 02:46, 4 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete yet again WP:CRYSTAL. Vodello (talk) 03:57, 4 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete and salt per WP:CRYSTAL. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • ^{(Otters want attention)} 04:01, 4 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep While you can only write 3 paragraphs, since the corporations are keeping a tight lid on releasing more than teasers on what will be available beyond the Nintendo 3DS, those teasers are very well referenced. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 04:37, 4 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- It is not a matter or sourcing or length. It still comes down to the fact that it is not just a new console that defines these "generations" but industry sources when they feel the next gen of consoles is upon us. Maybe tomorrow, they'll say "Hey, everything has motion control, we're going to retro-activity call the Wii, Kinect, and Move as 8th gen", we'll worry about then.. Is it likely that the PlayStation 4 or whatever the Xbox 360 successor will be 8th gen? Sure. But to say that now screams CRYSTAL. --MASEM (t) 05:08, 4 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Doing math isn't original research. (Previous generation) + (new generation) = (next generation). It is the same for Ipods, and Hondas, and Intel and AMD chips (where the number of processors doubles in the case of chips). "New generation" and "Next generation" are clear synonyms for whatever the new generation number is even if the article doesn't use the magic number 8 in the text. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 05:17, 4 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Given that it is a term of art used by gaming journalists, we cannot define the onset of that term. Most importantly to this case: not one reliable third-party source calls the 3DS or the PSP2 an eighth gen system. They may be treated at 7th gen for all we care, even if their revamped hardware. Shouldn't the DSi or the PSP Go been considered 8th gen relative to the DS or PSP (1)? Basically, the term is not strictly defined by hardware that we cannot make that extrapolation. --MASEM (t) 12:42, 4 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Per WP:BALL: "Articles that present extrapolation, speculation, and "future history" are original research and therefore inappropriate. While scientific and cultural norms continually evolve, we must wait for this evolution to happen, rather than try to predict it." Keristrasza (talk) 09:52, 4 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

keep Where in this article do you see speculation, I don't see anything like "The Next xbox will have a 200 core processor with an Nvidia 6000 GTX, and will have 5GB of RAM..." The statements here have references to them, therefore, this article should stay.