User talk:HJ Mitchell

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Question for you and your tps'

Hi HJ, hopefully quick question for you and/or your (talk page stalker)s (based on the recent section on WT:Req4Admin). I would presume that in the event of removal of "those" images on Muhammad that WP:3RR and WP:WAR could still be interpreted to apply - my rationale being, as noted under the clear cut exceptions, censorship is not listed. What I cannot find, but am pretty sure I remember having heard before, is that there are those who consider such censorship, as it's removing relevant content to be vandalism akin to (uw-delete). I err on the side of... well, never getting close, but I was curious if what I remember is part of a guideline or just an editor's opinion (and cant find anything clear on it). Thanks, Rob ROBERTMFROMLI ^TALK/_CNTRB 05:48, 9 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

(talk page stalker) I believe 3RR would still apply as WP:3RR states only obvious vandalism isn't considered a revert (emphasis theirs). Since the removals are well-intentioned, it can't be considered vandalism. DC T•C 05:55, 9 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

If the images were added purely to cause disruption, then you can make a case for vandalism. However, the point of 3RR is to force people to try and find alternatives to reverting. In such a case, requesting full protection, asking an admin to get involved or going to ANI would all be better than repeated reverting. The exceptions to the 3RR are designed not to suffocate editors who are genuinely trying to keep the most egregious policy violations out of articles, which is why I take a very, very dim view of people who disingenuously claim to be reverting BLP violations or vandalism. Essentially, don't break the 3RR unless there is genuinely no alternative. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 13:35, 9 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the clarification guys... and no, I wasn't asking on my behalf; as I noted, I'd never get to 3RR (I've requested semi's, and other editors and admins to get involved in the past long before I got close). Just trying to ensure my understanding of policy is correct. Thanks again, R ROBERTMFROMLI ^TALK/_CNTRB 16:02, 9 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Notification

As you participated in the ban discussion of SkagitRiverQueen, you are being notified of this Proposal to amend ban on SRQ imposed at ANI: from 1 year to indef. Ncmvocalist (talk) 07:05, 9 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

user:Schwyz

He complained in my user page in the Spanish wikipedia, and I took some time to review some of his edits.

About changing "Lagoon" to "Lake". Note that es:Laguna in Spanish translates to Lake in English, it doesn't translate to "Lagoon" even if the word sounds similar, it's just a false friend word. A Lagoon is placed right next to the sea and translates directly to es:Lagoon. Now, Lake Iguaque is at hundreds of meters above sea level and among mountains, so it can't possibly be a lagoon, it's a lake. --Enric Naval (talk) 12:05, 9 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The legitimacy or otherwise of his edits is not the point (though, by all means, revert any of my incorrect reverts) it's that he's evading a block and causing further disruption. Tell him on es.Wiki that if he stops socking and makes his case on the talk page of his original account, then we might listen to him, but the more disruption he causes and the more socks he creates, the less welcome his possibly legitimate edits become. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 13:42, 9 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Would you look at that

First person I've seen lately to earn a star without touching the FLC! Next time you get to babysit the candidacy page ;) Courcelles 13:47, 9 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Well I thought you were doing such a good job, I'd just leave the babysitting duties to you! Besides, I wrote the damn thing from scratch, so it's nice to be able to put my feet up for a couple of weeks. Thanks for all your help—I couldn't have done it without you and June and 5asq. Next time you;re this this side of the pond, I'll buy you a pint! ;) HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 14:05, 9 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Uw-3block

Hi HJ Mitchell. I've begun a discussion at Wikipedia talk:Template messages/User talk namespace about whether Template:Uw-3block should be redirected to Template:Uw-ewblock. I thought we might preliminarily share perspectives there and determine whether TfD is needed. Thanks. --Bsherr (talk) 01:56, 10 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the note. I'll look in on that discussion when I get a minute. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 16:02, 10 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hoax page

So I came across a page while checking up on copypastes and noticed a serious problem with Robert Henry Vaughn - I'm not sure how blatant it has to be for G3 to apply though. Could you or one of your talk page stalkers compare this version of the article to this version of Billie Joe Armstrong (in particular the "Early Life" section) and advise me on the appropriate course of action (or take it yourself)? VernoWhitney (talk) 15:07, 10 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

There is an undeniable similarity there, but it might just be that the author based it on Armstrong's article. If you look at some of the articles I've written on Army officers, they're pretty formulaic. I don't think it's blatant enough for G3 nor does it fit squarely into any other CSD, though {{db-bio}} might be worth a try. If that's declined, then it would probably have to go to AfD. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 16:14, 10 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, I'll just send it to AfD so it doesn't get recreated. Thanks! VernoWhitney (talk) 16:34, 10 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

User:Wrapped in Grey

I boldly unblocked - it had about 3 hours left to run and I was willing to WP:AGF given that it's the first block. Gave the user a WP:CIR reminder though. Don't mean to tread on your toes. S.G.^(GH) _ping! 17:28, 10 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Fine with me. We all make mistakes and if he's not going to continue the edit war, there's no point keeping him blocked. Thanks for the note. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 17:37, 10 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Inter2Geo Deletion

Dear HJ Mitchell, thank you for your work on wikipedia, but let me say that I am a bit surprised by the speed with which you deleted the Inter2Geo page, in a day or so. It is a European project that bundles together all the major Interactive Geometry software, with an impressive list of academic articles in reputed journals and international conferences: look at the list on our website. So the reputation verified by external sources is met. The tone was not improper, it was neutral. Please explain or revert your deletion. Thank you very much. Christian.Mercat (talk) 18:09, 10 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, it was deleted via the proposed deletion process. It was tagged by another editor and deleted because nobody had objected to the deletion within 7 days. However, that process also allows for the article to be restored if anybody objects to the deletion after the fact. If you'd like me to restore it, I will, but be aware that the tag was placed because the editor placing it didn't think the subject was notable so, unless you can provide evidence that it is, that editor may choose to pursue deletion through the Articles for Deletion process. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 18:22, 10 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, I am very sorry we all missed this 7 days period there: I was a bit busy and my other colleagues as well. As a matter of fact we are defending our project on Friday 12th Nov before the European commission so it is a very untimely deletion :-) I understand we should have added a list of references to articles talking about our project in academic journals, and as you can see in the list on our website, we do have a lot of recognition and our consortium really gathers all the big names in the field in Europe as you can check on the list of interactive geometry software which is a major topic in math education (no kidding :-) ). Thank you for reverting the deletion so that we can properly start the discussion process.Christian.Mercat (talk) 18:30, 10 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Alright then, article's back where it was. Since you refer to the company as "we", I should advise you to read our conflict of interest guideline. You are allowed to edit articles on subjects you have a close connection to, but you should be very careful to adhere to Wikipedia's policies, especially the one on neutrality. As long as you bear that in mind, you should be OK. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 18:36, 10 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. We're going to try our best to show that it belongs in wikipedia. Yes, I do belong to the project, I have read the our conflict of interest guideline and I feel I am on the safe side, I am not selling anything there, I have lost a lot of time, earned no money but made a lot of friends with this project which is now released to the community. Christian.Mercat (talk) 19:12, 10 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Obama's India visit AFD

Hey. Could you please have a look at this AFD and make a note/strike out the last !vote? An IP added it, faked a sig and timestamp, which appears to have been copied directly from the one right above it. I'd do so myself but the page is making my mobile browser lag like crap. Thanks. Str Pby (talk) 01:20, 11 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It doesn't seem a big deal to me. He doesn't seem to be impersonating anyone (probably just forgot to log in) and the !vote would be discarded by any admin worth their bit anyway. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 01:34, 11 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not convinced he simply 'forgot to log in'; the timestamp is clearly copied (timestamp given is about 22 hours after the !vote)... but your call. Str Pby (talk) 01:40, 11 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

There's no policy against copying timestamps. If he'd forged another editor's sig, then that's a serious issue, but it looks like a genuine mistake rather than intentional deception. Even if it were deliberate, the worst that can happen is that it looks like he made his comment 22 hours earlier than he actually did, which doesn't have any bearing on the AfD or anything else. There are enough things to get het up about in that AfD without looking at time stamps! HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 02:05, 11 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Talkback

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Poppy

Hi

What poppy pic would suit you better? I have a couple but they are also of red poppies (although the petals are in a bit of a better state) and are both from above also.

Chaosdruid (talk) 03:37, 11 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Cornelia Tautu

I was the author of this article. It would have been nice if you'd notified me that you'd submitted it for deletion. She's a woman composer listed in other encyclopedias, so should automatically be important enough to be covered in Wikipedia. Pkeets (talk) 05:01, 11 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

DYK for Andrew Cumming

On 11 November 2010, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Andrew Cumming, which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that Major General Andrew Cumming CBE, who commanded British troops in the NATO-led Kosovo Force in 1992, became controller of the charity SSAFA Forces Help after leaving the Army in 2004? You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Orlady (talk) 06:10, 11 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Sims

Brian Sims is a civil rights activist that travels the country speaking about GLBT people in sports. He's not just a lawyer and that's not the focus of his Wiki page. Please reactivate it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Sims