User talk:Knowitallfortoday

Edits and removals of works involved with ronny moorings are removed all the time. It seems a rampage is going on on this site. stop being so childish and leave things as they are , add something constructive and stop trying to demean the above

[Image:Information.svg|25px|alt=|link=]] Please do not remove content or templates from pages on Wikipedia, as you did to Clan of Xymox, without giving a valid reason for the removal in the edit summary. Your content removal does not appear constructive, and has been reverted. Please make use of the sandbox if you'd like to experiment with test edits. Please explain your reasons for deleting text on History: "Confirm timing of original members Wolbert and Nooten leaving Xymox:"

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Clan_of_Xymox&diff=404838810&oldid=404837855

Anka Wolbert (talk) 18:24, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

Please do not introduce incorrect information into articles, as you did to Clan of Xymox. Your edits appear to be vandalism and have been reverted. If you believe the information you added was correct, please cite references or sources or discuss the changes on the article's talk page before making them again. If you would like to experiment, use the sandbox. Thank you.

Ref: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Clan_of_Xymox&diff=369171196&oldid=369029946

Please note that your revision at 13:09 20 June erroneously deletes reference to Anka Wolbert (for your easy reference to the incorrect deletion, please see below)

17:30, 19 June 2010 In 1982 Anka Wolbert and Ronnie Moorings began making music in The Netherlands under the name Xymox, self-publishing the EP "Subsequent Pleasures" in 1983.

Revision as of 13:09, 20 June 2010 by Knowitallfortoday: Ronny Moorings began making music in The Netherlands under the name Xymox, self-publishing the EP "Subsequent Pleasures" in 1984 also featuring Anke Wolbert on the track Call It Weird. This was the starting point of the band Xymox.

To protect the correct legal copyright of the parties involved, please note the facts below: (this information is also posted on the Discussion page of the article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Clan_of_Xymox)

Anka Wolbert (AKA Anke Wolbert) and Ronny Moorings started Xymox in 1983. Anka Wolbert and Ronny Moorings wrote and self-released the EP "Subsequent Pleasures" in 1984. Pieter Nooten joined the band and became the third songwriter in 1985. Xymox signed to 4AD in 1985 (changing the band's name to Clan of Xymox), and released two albums, "Clan of Xymox" (1985) and "Medusa" (1986). All songs on these albums are jointly written by Anka Wolbert, Pieter Nooten and Ronny Moorings. Under Polygram Clan of Xymox released two albums, "Twist of Shadows" (1989) and "Phoenix" (1991). All tracks on both albums are written by Anka Wolbert and Ronny Moorings, with contributions by Pieter Nooten. After "Phoenix", Anka Wolbert and Pieter Nooten left the band.

Anka Wolbert (talk) 13:07, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

December 2010

Please stop adding inappropriate external links to Wikipedia. It is considered spamming and Wikipedia is not a vehicle for advertising or promotion. Because Wikipedia uses nofollow tags, additions of links to Wikipedia will not alter search engine rankings. If you continue spamming, you may be blocked from editing Wikipedia. Drmies (talk) 20:36, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

Please do not add commentary or your own personal analysis to Wikipedia articles, as you did to Michael Brook. Doing so violates Wikipedia's neutral point of view policy and breaches the formal tone expected in an encyclopedia. Thank you. Drmies (talk) 21:00, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

• I saw you left this on User talk:Anka Wolbert: "Also you stand warned from being barred." Please don't make such hollow and unjustified threats. Thank you. Drmies (talk) 21:24, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

More Clan

You have made many changes to Clan of Xymox, many of which were not verified, and some of which contradicted the information given in published, reliable sources (starting with the date the band started, for instance). Those edits resulted in this version, which isn't even up to par grammatically. I have undone those changes. What sources you did add (a Billboard article, for instance) I will attempt to reinstate, but going through every individual edit of yours is not a fruitful way to edit.

While I appreciate your efforts to improve the article, edits must be based on reliable sources. You cannot simply enter information that contradicts such sources. Unverified information will be removed, especially if such information is not neutral. Thank you. Drmies (talk) 22:25, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

• what is to you a reliable source ? an ex band member who pops up after 20 years inactivity and starts editing or the bands current bio and record label ? further all verifications I gave to you but simply ignore them..without any GOOD reason. If you find a mistake just change the mistake but not delete the whole paragraph, that is out of order just the same
  • As I have mentioned to you a few times already, a reliable source is what Wikipedia defines as a reliable source: Wikipedia:Identifying reliable sources. The implication that I favor one sets of edits over another is really silly: if you look at what I've added to the article you see that it is all based on published information. Whatever references you have given are not reliable--YouTube videos, Amazon.com links, personal websites, et cetera. Moreover, you persist in adding information that contradicts published information, and in adding things that are simply unencyclopedic (unverified praise). Couple that with the personal attacks you have made to User:Anka Wolberts and to me, and I don't really see why I should even discuss these matters with you--but I do so anyway, and I will continue to engage in discussion. But this edit war on the article, that has to stop.

    As I have said before, if you want to improve the article, do it according to Wikipedia's policies. If you don't wish to do so, then don't edit here--Clan of Xymox existed long before Wikipedia did, and they don't need it to continue as a band.

    One final thing: if you have a conflict of interest, as I suspect, then maybe you should declare it. Drmies (talk) 02:31, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

January 2011

Welcome to Wikipedia. The recent edit you made to Clan of Xymox has been reverted, as it appears to be unconstructive. Use the sandbox for testing; if you believe the edit was constructive, ensure that you provide an informative edit summary. You may also wish to read the introduction to editing. Thank you. Logan _Talk ^{Contributions} 00:25, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

• As an example of your edits, this one will suffice: you removed a perfectly valid source, and inserted a bunch of unencyclopedic and unverified information like this, "January 2006 the EP" Weak In My Knees", included are remixes of Azoic, Destroid ,Grendel and Siva Six plus a video .followed by the release of the album " Breaking Point" which got again all praise and glory , entered high on all charts possible and imaginable , COX embarked on a further tour , this time operating from Germany, where the album Breaking Point got finished. "--which also isn't in proper English. "Got again all praise and glory"? This is an encyclopedia, not a fansite. Thank you. Drmies (talk) 01:15, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

Please do not attack other editors, as you did here: User talk:Anka Wolbert. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing Wikipedia. Drmies (talk) 01:38, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

This is your last warning; the next time you disrupt Wikipedia, as you did at Clan of Xymox, you may be blocked from editing without further notice. It is pretty obvious that there is a conflict of interest here, but changing "Moorings" to "Wolbert" is really silly. Whatever oud zeer you are carrying around, Wikipedia is not the place to let it out. Please stop your disruptive editing--stop adding unverified information, removing verified information, making personal attacks on other editors and band members, and adding Amazon (that is, spam) links. Drmies (talk) 01:52, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

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I do not understand why this bio is not accepted ( it has the proper footnotes) bias reigns here at this Clan Of Xymox page

I do not understand why this bio is not accepted ( it has the proper footnotes) bias reigns here at this Clan Of Xymox page

Ronny Moorings, Anka Wolbert and Pieter Nooten

, 1989]]

The band formed in Amsterdam in 1984, consisting of Ronny Moorings & Anka Wolbert and released a mini-album, Subsequent Pleasures, in 1984. They were invited to support Dead Can Dance, and were signed to the indie label 4AD, which released their eponymous debut album in 1985. picked up by John Peel, leading to the band recording two of the Peel Sessions at the BBC.

In 1987 they released their second and last album on 4AD, Medusa, before signing with PolyGram. Whilst Pieter Nooten was concentrating on his "Sleeps With The Fishes " album with the artist Michael Brook , Clan Of Xymox concentrated on the album and release of Medusa in 1987's . "Medusa" was mostly a dark record, in places a chilling exercise in atmospherics and modern pop dynamics. Aided by the impressive 12 inch single "Blind Hearts " (1988) the band really started to create a buzz. Clan Of Xymox were now not only inhabiting the arthouse but filling dance floors in the more discerning clubs. "Blind Hearts" reached number 1 spot in Rockpool and Billboard. Pieter Nooten recorded and released his album Sleeps With The Fishes (4AD, 1987), in collaboration with Michael Brook.

The band began to sound more accessible, their third album, Twist of Shadows (Polygram, 1989), being described as "electro-pop" and most successful selling to that date. The album's artwork was done by Vaughan Oliver, and Tony Visconti provided string arrangements. The singles, "Imagination and Obsession " made the US charts. SPIN, praised the album and called it "still ethereal, big and foreboding" and praised the production by Peter Walsh (of Simple Minds fame). By this time the band had moved to England, and released their fourth album, Phoenix, on PolyGram in 1991; Xymox charted in the USA with the single " Phoenix of My Heart " number 5 on the dance charts after this album, Anka Wolbert and Pieter Nooten left the band; Xymox left PolyGram continuing alone with Ronny Moorings to release Metamorphosis (1992) and Headclouds (1993) independently, on his own X-Ult label.

In 1995 Ronny Moorings toured under the banner of Xymox in the Netherlands with former band mates Will Anvers and Frank Weyzig and his girlfriend Mojca on keyboards. Ronny Moorings made in 1996 for Domark music for computer games named Total Mayhem and Revenant with classical music and ambient sounding tracks.{

In 1997 Ronny Moorings ended the Xymox era and restarted Clan of Xymox; he recruited besides Mojca new live members and started touring. The band signed with the independent US label Tess Records and released Hidden Faces.

The live band, consisting of Ronny Moorings guitars and vocals, Mojca Zugna bass guitar, and vocals, Rob Vonk guitar, Rui Ramos drums, and Nina Simic keyboards, co-headlined the Wave-Gotik-Treffen and Zillo festivals in Germany, where two singles from Hidden Faces, "Out Of The Rain" and "This World," both reached the top 10 in the independent charts.

In 1998 Clan Of Xymox got signed by Metropolis Records in the USA and Pandaimonium Records in Europe. In 2000 the band released Live, a double CD with nineteen tracks and two videos in the special ltd edition The lineup consisted of Moorings on guitars & vocals; Mojca on bass guitar, keyboards and vocals; Rui Ramos drums; and Nina Simic on keyboards. The tracks were recorded during their Central and South American tour in 1999. with the climax for the band in Mexico City's being the former Olympic Stadium Palacio d' Deportes in Mexico City where 20.000 people attended their concert.

1999 saw the release of Creatures, produced by Dave Allen. Also that year 4AD re-released in the USA the first album, Clan of Xymox. Clan of Xymox backed up the album Creatures with an extensive world tour in 1999, starting in the United States with COX headlining on the [[Convergence_(goth_festival)|Convergence Festival]in New Orleans, continued to tour the USA and returned a few months later again.

September 2001 saw the Clan live at big festivals such as Mera Luna, Zillo and Eurorock but also the release of " Notes From The Underground ", acclaimed by critics as their best work ever. The album ranked already No 1 in the USA 's Musicfolio chart as the best album of 2001 and reached No 2 in the well known DAC charts plus numerous chart positions around the globe.

The year 2002 saw in April a new tour plus a very first Remix Album of the band, all tracks of "Notes From The Underground " remixed by renowned artists like Front 242 or Assemblage 23 etc, called REMIXES FROM THE UNDERGROUND" and included was also the very first video disc of COX.

A few months later the single " There's No Tomorrow" was released with various remixes on it and soon 2003 saw the release of their latest album" Farewell",It topped the DAC charts with a number 1 position, number 2 on the World DJ charts, was voted number 1 in Zillo Magazine soundcheck , basically topping in many alternative charts around the world.

Touring the Album"Farewell"the band gave a concert in Lima,Peru where they never had a gothic / electro band performing before. Hundreds of fans were waiting for the Clan to arrive at the airport and caused chaos for the airport security!

Other Latin American countries were included on this tour like Chile & Argentina were COX already played before. Between 2002 & 2003 saw Clan Of Xymox touring many countries in Europe, playing festivals, a return to Mexico, in short playing many shows for thousands of people. In 2004 a new live members joined the band on guitar,Mario Usai. ( known from playing the bass with Sophya)

In September 2004 Best Of Clan Of Xymox album was released.

January 2006 the EP" Weak In My Knees", included are remixes of Azoic, Destroid ,Grendel and Siva Six plus a video .followed by the release of the album " Breaking Point" which got again all praise and glory , entered high on all charts possible and imaginable , COX embarked on a further tour , this time operating from Germany, where the album Breaking Point got finished. 2007 Saw the release of the single Heroes ( David Bowie ) and On A Mission , a kind of taster/teaser for the forthcoming album Clan Of Xymox. March 21st 2008 saw the first double DVD ( Visible, limited edition )release of Clan Of Xymox ever. The DVD is full of clips , live material , a Live special at Mera Luna , backstage scenes , an interview with Ronny Moorings, impressions of personal footage during the foreign tours It reached number 1 sales charts, backed up by an extensive tour in 2008 including many festivals.

Early 2009 Clan of Xymox switched labels, going to Trisol Records in Europe but staying on Metropolis in the USA and Gravitator in Russia. In July 2009 the single "Emily" was released.July 2009 saw the release of the single "Emily" ,a fortaste for the new album and reached nb 1 in DUC & DAC


The last album "In Love We Trust"came out worldwide August the 18th 2009 and reached nb 1 in the DUC & DAC nr.4 and is now already considered another classic of the band. The band announced a new album release for May 2011

1. ^ a b c d e f g h Strong, Martin Charles (2003). The great indie discography. Cannongate. ISBN 9781841953359. 2. ^ a b "RPM News". CMJ New Music Monthly. 23 August 1999. Retrieved 31 December 2010. 3. ^ Axel Schmidt, Klaus Neumann-Braun, Axel; Klaus Neumann-Braun (2004). Die Welt der Gothics: Spielräume düster konnotierter Transzendenz. VS Verlag. pp. 269-70. ISBN 9783531143538. Retrieved 31 December 2010. 4. ^ alternative press issue 39 page 45 5. ^ Sutton, Michael. "Clan of Xymox: Biography". Allmusic. Retrieved 1 January 2011. 6. ^ "Peel Sessions: 04/06/1985 - Xymox". BBC Radio 1. Retrieved 1 January 2011. 7. ^ "Peel Sessions: 03/11/1985 - Xymox". BBC Radio 1. Retrieved 1 January 2011. 8. ^ rockpool march 14, 1988 page 21 9. ^ Robins, Ira A. (1997). The Trouser Press guide to '90s rock: the all-new fifth edition of The Trouser Press record guide. Simon & Schuster. p. 116. ISBN 9780684814377. 10. ^ billboard november 25 ,1989 11. ^ Wright, Christian Logan (August 1989). "Rev. of Xymox, Twist of Shadows". SPIN. Retrieved 31 December 2010. 12. ^ page 128 , Rolling Stone June 13th 1991 13. ^ Melodymaker November 28 1992 14. ^ Melodymaker November28 1992 15. ^ Select Magazine November 1992 page 86 16. ^ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domark 17. ^ http://www.amazon.com/Hidden-Faces-Clan-Xymox/dp/B00000DG4U 18. ^ http://www.wave-gotik-treffen.de/past.php?reqYear=1998 19. ^ http://www.trendcharts.de/de/trendcharts.html 20. ^ http://www.cduniverse.com/search/xx/music/pid/1259639/a/Live.htm 21. ^ http://www.clanofxymox.com/ look under old tours and click links 22. ^ http://www.metropolis-records.com/artist/clan-of-xymox 23. ^ http://www.4ad.com/ 24. ^ http://www.clanofxymox.com see old tour page 25. ^ see old tour page clan of xymox homepage : www.clanofxymox.com 26. ^ http://www.metropolis-records.com/artist/clan-of-xymox 27. ^ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NpuClkUd4F8 28. ^ http://www.trisol.de/en/news.html 29. ^ http://www.cybercase.nl/duc/duc.php 30. ^ http://www.sonic-seducer.de/index.php/DAC_Deutsche_Alternative_Charts.html 31. ^ I:Scintilla remixed by Mortiis, Combichrist, KMFDM and Clan Of Xymox for new album

(knowitallfortoday)

• The only reliable and properly documented sources in there are the ones that I added. You use Wikipedia as a reference for a Wikipedia article, and that's against the rules. If you use YouTube to provide evidence, that's not OK since it's a primary source; if it is used to simply link to a video, that is not acceptable here. A biography of a band on the band's or a record label's website is not reliable. I could go on. More than half of what is in this version is simply not notable information, and much of the rest can never stand--there has never been a gothic band in Lima, Peru, until the Clan came by? Who says? The cab driver? Some blog? Drmies (talk) 15:08, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
  • Regarding this edit: the information is, of course, from a reliable source and it's notable (the topic is, after all, a Dutch singer who sang in English and moved to England). I think the only way to change this is to take up a discussion on the article talk page. In such a content dispute, communication and consensus is the only way out. Thank you, Drmies (talk) 19:17, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

No other reviews suggest this and therefore you are letting a BIASED VIEW into play. The said article does mention the Northern English accent and being an American he might have felt offended , who knows. To say that you cannot sing SO right as rain instead of proper as right as rain is simply SICK . If you allow this then start editing any modern rock band , let alone RAP etc.for their use of the language or better start with the Cocteau Twins ..this goes too far. I am happy to send you the whole review , tell me where to post it ! talk) So take the said line out as you seem to really let twisted things into the "bio". This way you get rubbish. Look at other pages , not any has or needs as many footnotes as this one. Also when the footnote appears you conveniently erase them.. talk

Knowitall, best to use headings so we can follow. I continue below under the heading "SPIN article and Moorings English" Muso88 (talk) 23:44, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

SPIN article and Moorings English

Knowitall, unfortunately what you have written is not what is written in the article. In SPIN magazine August 1989, Christian Logan Wright (CLW) writes : "Moorings gets lyrically obtuse because of his limited command of the English language" CLW also writes "Xymox has made heavy synth music, sung with Moorings's approximation of a Northern English accent."

The Clan of Xymox page says "it commented on Moorings' limited knowledge of English". Kowitall, you have changed this edit (more than three times, and without any explanation or discussion on the discussion page); once replacing "Moorings" with "Wolbert" (???), and twice to the mis-quote about Morrings' attempted Northern English accent.

Unfortunately your edit does not match what the journalist wrote. Why does this review bother you so much? Moorings is not a native English speaker - nor were ABBA and lots of people commented on that; it was a well-known fact about them.

Drmies, or some administrator, please can you advise the correct protocol here. It seems a pointless exercise to keep reversing edits regardless of what is written in the article. Muso88 (talk) 23:34, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

• Muso, please, let there be no derogatory comments on ABBA. Next thing you're telling me that you always hated the Dolly Dots. Unfortunately, I can't do much more here--I've tried to explain these matters a few times, and I've suggested what I think is the only way out: discussion on the talk page. If Knowitall continues with removing this stuff, at some point it's going to count as disruptive editing, and that will be soon--it's been three times now? Replacing Moorings with Wolbert, that's really vandalism, though I imagine it's more frustration than anything else.

  Knowitall, this path of editing you're going down is unproductive. It runs counter to Wikipedia's guidelines and policies and only invites more editors to scrutinize your edits. It's your choice: you can help, and make the article better, but you'd have to do that by building consensus (on the article talk page) and by having reliable sources. Or, you can continue, and pretty soon someone might take action, because disruptive editing disrupts the project, and you might find yourself temporarily blocked, with no influence at all on what the article looks like. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 23:44, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

Heaven forbid I was being derogatory about ABBA! I am sure I have all their albums. In fact, a lot of people found the coupling of imperfect English with Swedish accents very endearing. But whatever people's view of it all, that's simply how ABBA spoke. A fact is a fact; not a view, after all. Knowitall seems to be insulted on Moorings's behalf by the editor's comment. Probably best if Knowitall doesn't take it so personally - for all any of us know, Moorings might be perfectly happy with the way he speaks English. Muso88 (talk) 23:57, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

back up posted on http://www.flickr.com/photos/57824173@N05/#photo5322067156 with enough articles to prove the opposite. Moorings was always the spokesman of the band as it seems. The slurring however of Wolbert on " Seventh Time " skin and shit" ( audible on record) and Nootens "Pudding In My Head" on Equal Ways ( audible on the records) you might take that with in the "article" as well ? In any case I will assist Moorings in this ridiculous attempt to slander him with a quote from one single reviewer. That would open the door to bash all bands here on Wiki, simply one statement cannot be the demeanor for the whole. Take the NEUTRAL SIDE here , again , this goes too far. [User:knowitallfortoday]] (User talk:knowitallfortodaytalk)

• You actually HAVE things that can pass as reliable sources. I wish you had come with this earlier. As for the accusation of "slander", that's neither here nor there, of course--dat slaat als een lul op een drumstel. Drmies (talk) 01:04, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

It's GREAT to see all those old articles, um - Terry? You must have been such a huge fan to file and keep all those articles over all those years! Ronny is going to be so thrilled you have decided to "assist" him. Here's hoping one day he does venture onto the Wiki Xymox page to see for himself. Muso88 (talk) 02:01, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

• HI Knowitall. Uh-oh - some unwelcome news unfortunately. In one of the old newspaper articles you've referenced, the journalist Tom Lanham, in "Dutchman Takes Xymox to Head of Its Class" writes "In halted English and heavy Dutch accent, Moorings, 27, recounts his tale."

So it looks like wasn't the only journalist to notice Moorings' difficulties with English - must be quite a noticeable characteristic if they're all commenting on it. So, definitely a fact, not a "biased view" then, I think we can all agree. You've already put those references up so I'll just reference your source re the English problems, and I'll revert your edit.

Muso88 (talk) 02:27, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

and I will keep reverting yours Knowitallfortoday

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Knowitallfortoday&diff=405817907&oldid=405807612 Muso88 (talk) 11:01, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to blank out or remove portions of page content, templates or other materials from Wikipedia, as you did at Clam of Xymox, you may be blocked from editing. Stop deleting the user discussion about Moorings' limited English Muso88 (talk) 11:05, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

Does Knowitall have an undisclosed COI on the Clan of Xymox page?

Knowitall, if you have a COI on the Clan of Xymox page, you should disclose it. Muso88 (talk) 12:30, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

Sockpuppetry case

Your name has been mentioned in connection with a sockpuppetry case. Please refer to Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Knowitallfortoday for evidence. Please make sure you make yourself familiar with the guide to responding to cases before editing the evidence page. Drmies (talk) 00:34, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

You're being discussed by administrators

Hello Knowitallfortoday. An editor has complained about you at WP:AN3#User:Knowitallfortoday reported by User:Drmies. Take a deep breath. (Result: Out of scope). This noticeboard receives complaints about edit warring. You may respond there if you wish. Thank you, EdJohnston (talk) 04:15, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

Blocked

I have changed your block to indefinite, because it appears your account is serving no purpose but to cause disruption and edit warring on Clan of Xymox, as well as the sockpuppetry. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 00:07, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

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You are blocked directly and must use {{unblock}} for appeals.  Sandstein  16:49, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

• To the future administrator who might consider unblocking: please have a look at the account's very first edit. It is clear to me that this is a single-purpose account, whose purpose is to remove, as much as possible, some of the band members from the article. No doubt this was helped initially by the poor, unreferenced state of the article, but since then reliable sources have been added that establish the facts this account has tried to remove. In essence, their intention seems to have been (besides editing the article in a non-neutral manner to praise the band/Moorings) to rewrite the article to have one band member, Moorings, play a part that excludes the others (esp. Nooten and Wolbert).

  It is my opinion that if this editor is unblocked, an article space topic ban is called for on the topic of Xymox, narrowly construed to include the band, its albums, and its (former) members. Thank you. Drmies (talk) 18:18, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

referring to : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clan_of_xymox

From Knowitallfortoday

INCORRECT AND BIASED INFO

I tried to correct the enormous listing of facts several times and now I am the one who is blocked . Unjust I might add. I do not know my way around Wikipedia in order to force my will and editing on people like the two pseudonyms Muso88 (talk) & Drmies (talk) did to me and so far have achieved their objective: demean and minimize the role of Moorings (sic) . I request a fair view on this matter. It cannot be that Wikipedia has a story far removed from facts.

If in doubt go to : http://www.allmusic.com/artist/clan-of-xymox-p3905/biography

Mark Sutton , has nothing to do with the band so in doubt take over his impartial biography instead of the editing of EX members of the band

The into I would suggest ( Not from Mark Sutton ) but corrected from Wiki:

Clan of Xymox, also known as Xymox, are a goth band founded in the Netherlands in 1983. In the 1980s they knew moderate success, even scoring several hit singlesin the United States; they have been referred to as the "founding fathers of goth."[2] Though the band is still active and continues to tour and release records, of the original members (Ronny Moorings and Anke Wolbert only Ronny Moorings remains and continues the band today.

( Strike P. Nooten and F. Weyzig as founding members. Note : Frank Weyzig was never a founding member but a live guitarist and not a writing member and P. Nooten only joined AFTER the release of Subsequent Pleasures end 1984)

taken from Mark Sutton : Clan of Xymox were formed in Nijmegen, Netherlands, in 1983 by Ronny Moorings (vocals, guitar) and Anka Wolbert (bass, vocals). A year later, Moorings and Wolbert moved to Amsterdam, releasing the LP Subsequent Pleasures as Xymox. (The album was limited to 500 copies.) Xymox then became the opening act for Dead Can Dance in England. The band's presence on Dead Can Dance's U.K. tour caught the interest of 4AD Records, and the label eventually signed them. A year later, Xymox lengthened their name to Clan of Xymox and recorded a self-titled album in 1985, followed by Medusa the next year. In 1987, the group shortened its appellation to Xymox once again, contributing another version of "Muscoviet Mosquito," originally on Subsequent Pleasures, to the 4AD compilation Lonely Is an Eyesore. After the release of the single "Blind Hearts," Xymox left 4AD and joined Polygram/Wing.

In 1989, Xymox released Twist of Shadows, their most commercially successful LP, selling 300,000 copies. The infectious and uncharacteristically upbeat "Phoenix of My Heart" landed on the modern rock charts in 1991. However, the full-length Phoenix didn't do as well as Twist of Shadows. Wolbert departed from the band that year, replaced by bassist Mojca Zugna. In 1992, Xymox left Polygram/Wing for ZOK Records. Xymox record two albums for ZOK Records -- 1992's Metamorphosis and 1993's Headclouds -- before switching to Tess Records in 1997 for the album Hidden Faces. Moreover, Moorings called the group Clan of Xymox once again.

In 1999, they signed with the Metropolis label and released Creatures, which was followed a year later by the two-CD Live. The 2001 album Notes from the Underground was reinterpreted on the double remix CD Remixes from the Underground, which landed in 2002. Farewell from 2003 was a themed album with bittersweet goodbyes to lovers and friends the main topics. The 2004 collection The Best of Clan of Xymox found latter-day highlights next to re-recordings of the band's early material. Two years later, the album Breaking Point was announced by the single "Weak in My Knees." The 2009 effort In Love We Trust was a return to the layered sound of their 4AD years.

NON FACTS , please remove

The band began to sound more accessible, their third album, Twist of Shadows (Polygram, 1989), being described as "electro-pop" but judged to sound "decidedly dated." The album's artwork was done by Vaughan Oliver, and Tony Visconti provided string arrangements. In the United States, Twist of Shadows, and its successor, Phoenix, were released by Wing Records, a subsidiary of Polydor Records, and these two albums created a US cult following for the band.[9]

A single, "Imagination," made the US charts.[1] SPIN, however, praised the album and called it "still ethereal, big and foreboding"; it commented on Moorings' limited knowledge of English and praised the production by Peter Walsh (of Simple Minds fame).[10]

This line demeans the singer Moorings's use of English. It is based on 1 single review out of the hundreds appearing at that time. The use of this single REVIEW is an OPINION , NOT FACT !! Therefore not worthy of Wikipedia and should not be allowed .

I tried taking it out a few times with this argument but the ex band members from 20 years ago put it back each time.Muso88 (talk) & Drmies (talk)

It is uncalled for that this appears in the bio.

change into fact , like:

The band began to sound more accessible, their third album, Twist of Shadows (Polygram, 1989), being described as "electro-pop" The album's artwork was done by Vaughan Oliver, and Tony Visconti provided string arrangements. In the United States, Twist of Shadows, and its successor, Phoenix, were released by Wing Records, a subsidiary of Polydor Records, and these two albums created a US cult following for the band.[9]

Further all descriptions for the latest 6 albums have been vandalized. I have not enough editorial skills to change this back and I am now blocked.

You can see my edits and the warring going on ..

I ask you to look at this article , compare it with the links of the official pages from Clan Of Xymox and then you will see that this article is totally of its course..

see wiki : 1991 – present

Xymox, without Nooten and Wolbert, left PolyGram to release Metamorphosis (1992) and Headclouds (1993) independently.[1] In 1995 Ronny Moorings toured under the banner of Xymox in the Netherlands with former Clan of Xymox band mates Will Anvers and Frank Weyzig, and his girlfriend Mojca on keyboards.[citation needed]

In 1997 the band's name was reverted to Clan of Xymox; Moorings recruited new live members, besides Mojca, and started touring. The band signed with the independent US label Tess Records and released Hidden Faces,[9] produced by David M. Allen.[4] In 1998 Clan of Xymox got signed by Metropolis Records in the USA, at a time of increasing US interest in the band, and released Creatures.[9] That same year, 4AD re-released Clan of Xymox and Medusa in the USA, and a US tour was planned for April and May of 1999.[9] The band at that time consisted of Moorings, Mojca (bass), Rob Vonk (guitar), Sharon Soffner (keyboards), and Rui Ramos (drums).[9]

In October 2000 the band, without Vonk and Soffner, and with the addition of Nina Simic (keyboards), released Live,[1] a double CD with nineteen tracks and two videos. The tracks were recorded during their Central and South American tour in 1999.[citation needed] In 2001, they released Notes from the Underground.[1] In September 2004, Best Of Clan of Xymox was released.[citation needed]

Early 2009 Clan of Xymox switched labels, going to Trisol Records in Europe but staying on Metropolis in the USA and Gravitator in Russia. In July 2009 the single "Emily" was released.[citation needed]

This article leaves out almost all important releases from the last 2 years due to the biased editing of DrMies

it should read :

Xymox left PolyGram continuing alone with Ronny Moorings to release Metamorphosis (1992) and Headclouds (1993) independently, on his own X-Ult label.

In 1995 Ronny Moorings toured under the banner of Xymox in the Netherlands with former band mates Will Anvers and Frank Weyzig and his girlfriend Mojca on keyboards. Ronny Moorings made in 1996 for Domark music for computer games named Total Mayhem and Revenant with classical music and ambient sounding tracks.{

In 1997 Ronny Moorings ended the Xymox era and restarted Clan of Xymox; he recruited besides Mojca new live members and started touring. The band signed with the independent US label Tess Records and released Hidden Faces.

The live band, consisting of Ronny Moorings guitars and vocals, Mojca Zugna bass guitar, and vocals, Rob Vonk guitar, Rui Ramos drums, and Nina Simic keyboards, co-headlined the Wave-Gotik-Treffen and Zillo festivals in Germany, where two singles from Hidden Faces, "Out Of The Rain" and "This World," both reached the top 10 in the independent charts.

In 1998 Clan Of Xymox got signed by Metropolis Records in the USA and Pandaimonium Records in Europe. In 2000 the band released Live, a double CD with nineteen tracks and two videos in the special ltd edition The lineup consisted of Moorings on guitars & vocals; Mojca on bass guitar, keyboards and vocals; Rui Ramos drums; and Nina Simic on keyboards. The tracks were recorded during their Central and South American tour in 1999. with the climax for the band in Mexico City's being the former Olympic Stadium Palacio d' Deportes in Mexico City where 20.000 people attended their concert.

1999 saw the release of Creatures, produced by Dave Allen. Also that year 4AD re-released in the USA the first album, Clan of Xymox. Clan of Xymox backed up the album Creatures with an extensive world tour in 1999, starting in the United States with COX headlining on the Convergence Festival in New Orleans, continued to tour the USA and returned a few months later again.

In September 2004 Best Of Clan Of Xymox album was released.

January 2006 the EP" Weak In My Knees", included are remixes of Azoic, Destroid ,Grendel and Siva Six plus a video .followed by the release of the album " Breaking Point" which got again all praise and glory , entered high on all charts possible and imaginable , COX embarked on a further tour , this time operating from Germany, where the album Breaking Point got finished.

2007 Saw the release of the single Heroes ( David Bowie ) and On A Mission , a kind of taster/teaser for the forthcoming album Clan Of Xymox.

March 21st 2008 saw the first double DVD ( Visible, limited edition )release of Clan Of Xymox ever. The DVD is full of clips , live material , a Live special at Mera Luna , backstage scenes , an interview with Ronny Moorings, impressions of personal footage during the foreign tours It reached number 1 sales charts, backed up by an extensive tour in 2008 including many festivals.

Early 2009 Clan of Xymox switched labels, going to Trisol Records in Europe but staying on Metropolis in the USA and Gravitator in Russia. In July 2009 the single "Emily" was released.July 2009 saw the release of the single "Emily" ,a fortaste for the new album and reached nb 1 in DUC & DAC

The last album "In Love We Trust"came out worldwide August the 18th 2009 and reached nb 1 in the DUC & DAC nr.4 and is now already considered another classic of the band. The band announced a new album release for May 2011

Discography

1983–1991: Ronny Moorings, Pieter Nooten and Anka Wolbert

Studio albums

• Clan of Xymox – (LP Album) 1985 - 4AD, Boudisque • (CD Album) 1985 - 4AD • (1986) - Relativity

• Medusa – (CD Album) 1986 - 4AD • (

• Twist of Shadows – (CD Album) 1989 - Wing Records • (LP Album) 1989 - Wing Records, Polydor • (CS Album) 1989 - Wing Records

• Phoenix – (CD Album) 1991 - Wing Records, Polydor (UK) •

• "Phoenix" (CS Album) 1991 - Polydor (UK) • (LP Album) 1991 - Mercury, Polydor

Singles/EPs

• "Subsequent Pleasures" – (12" Mini Album) 1983 - no label • (CD Album, Ltd. Edition) 1994 - Pseudonym

• "A Day" – (12") 1985 - 4AD, Boudisque • (12") 1998 - Old Gold

• "A Day/Stranger" – (12") 1985 - Contempo Records

• "Louise" – (7") 1986 - Megadisc

• "Muscoviet Musquito" – (7", Single Sided, Promo) 1986 - Virgin France

• "Blind Hearts" – (12") 1987 - 4AD, Rough Trade (Germany) • (12") 1989 - Wing Records

• "Obsession" – (12") 1989 - Wing Records, Polygram Records

• "Imagination" – (12") 1989 - Wing Records • (CD Single) 1989 - Wing Records • (7" Single) Wing Records, Polydor

• "Phoenix of My Heart" – (CD Maxi) 1991 - Wing Records, Polydor (US, UK), Polygram • (12") 1991 - Wing Records

• "At the End of the Day" – (CD Maxi) 1991 - Wing Records • (12") 1991 - Wing Records

1992 – Present

Remixes

• "Dream On/XDD" - (12") 1992 - X-ULT Records Ltd.

• "Reaching Out" – (CD Maxi) 1993 - Zok Records • (12") 1993 - Zok Records

• "Spiritual High (Club Mix)" - (12" Promo) 1993 - Zok Records

• "Remix" – (CD Album, Ltd. Edition) 1994 - Zok Records

Singles/EPs

• Subsequent Pleasures – (CD) 1994 - Pseudonym • (CD Album, Reissue) 2001 - Metropolis (RE-RELEASE)

• "Out of the Rain" – (CD Maxi) 1997 - Tess Records

• "This World" – (CD Maxi) 1998 - Tess Records

• "Consolation" – (CD Maxi) 1999 - Metropolis

• "Liberty" – (CD Maxi) 2000 - Metropolis, Pandaimonium Records

• "The John Peel Sessions" – (CD EP) 2001 - Strange Fruit • (CD EP) 2003 - Celebration (Spain)

• "There's No Tomorrow" – (CD Maxi) 2002 - Pandaimonium Records

• "Weak In My Knees" – (CD Maxi, Enhanced) 2006 - Pandaimonium Records

• "Heroes" – 2007 - Pandaimonium Records

• "Emily" – (CD Maxi) 2009 - Trisol Music Group GmbH

Live Albums

• Live – (CD + CD Enhanced) 2000 - Metropolis, Pandaimonium Records

Compilations

• Remixes from the Underground – (2xCD) 2002 - Metropolis, Pandaimonium Records

• The Best of Clan of Xymox – (CD Album) 2004 - Metropolis, Pandaimonium Records, Vision Music, Irond

• Visible – (2xDVD) 2008 - Pandaimonium Records, Gravitator Records, Vision Music

Studio albums

• Metamorphosis – (CD Album) 1992 – Mogull Entertainment, X-ULT Records Ltd.

• Headclouds – (CD Album) 1993 - Zok Records, Off-Beat Records

• Hidden Faces – (CD Album) 1997 - Tess Records • (CD Album) 2000 - Pandaimonium Records • (CD Album) 2006 - Gravitator Records

• Creatures – (CD Album) 1999 - Metropolis • (CD Album) 1999 - Pandaimonium Records • (CD Album) 2006 - Gravitator Records

• Farewell – (CD Album) 2003 - Metropolis, Pandaimonium Records, Irond, 2007 - Gravitator Records

• Breaking Point – (CD Album) 2006 - Gravitator Records, Metropolis, Pandaimonium Records, Vision Music

Notes from the Underground – (CD Album) 2001 - Metropolis, Pandaimonium Records, 2007 - Gravitator Records

• In Love We Trust – (CD Album) 2009 - Trisol Music Group/Metropolis/Gravitator Records

Remixes

COX has made several remixes, recently for the Geman group ASP , In Strict Confidence, the female fronted industrial metal act I:Scintilla who released their album "Optiks" on the Belgian industrial label Alfa Matrix holding a bonus disc with a remix by COX beside others by Combichrist, Mortiis and many more.

regards

A track from the album, "Blind Hearts," was a college and club hit in the United States,[11] charting on the Club Play Chart.[12] By this time the band had moved to England, and released their fourth album, Phoenix, on PolyGram in 1991;[1] after this album, Anka Wolbert and Pieter Nooten left the band.[citation needed]

Comment to Knowitall

You have not been blocked for trying to get the above story up on the Clan Of Xymox wiki page, you have been blocked for sock puppetry, edit warring, disruptive editing, self promotion and taking names out of the article in order to favour Ronny Moorings.

Apart from Pieter Nooten and I, I don't believe there are any other ex-band members involved in this, Wiki is a little bigger than that. Wiki also is not Myspace. Because Wiki is an encyclopaedia, all editors have to remain neutral and state facts, and only cite notable information (referenced by reliable sources according to Wiki's definition of reliable and notable). Unfortunately, over the last year, your editing has been far from neutral, starting with your very first edit where you changed "at that time consisting of Ronny Moorings on guitar and vocals, Anke Wolbert on bass, keyboards and vocals, and Pieter Nooten on keyboards and vocals." to read instead: "solely written and recorded by Ronny Moorings' ". Since then, your edits, your edit history, and your edit warring have attracted the attention of other, more senior editors. Some of these editors work on hundreds of articles, putting their time in voluntarily.

These editors have tried to engage with you to discuss, have tried to give you advice on how to reference the article, and have tried to warn you when you overruled their referenced contributions. For some reason you did not take them serious and have landed yourself in this position. Anka Wolbert (talk) 10:15, 7 January 2011 (UTC)

If you want a biography based on your recollection then you should make a paragraph Anka Wolberts Xymox perhaps? This biography is just too ridiculous for words. I base my biography on articles and sources mentioned and tagged ( which you guys deleted)but see in my talk.

I suggest that all parties step out of this discussion and let an outsider edit the whole biography. This way leads to nothing and I certainly will not take part anymore on this farce called biography and the idiotic manner all is placed and categorized. Also the period 1991 to now , where indeed all credits on albums mention R. Moorings as the sole song / lyric writer you and Dr. Mies are more then happy to delete , leave gaps between album releases , delete events , milestones for the band out of the bio. Racing over Medusa in order to get to Twist Of Shadows where your beloved Imagination is on .Placing a review of Spin as a reliable source tops it all. Since when are reviews facts? This page oozes with opinions and leaves out all the facts. That is my problem with all of you.

You left the band 20 years ago , just accept that fact instead of trying to glorify Imagination as the sole achievement of the band, its just too pathetic for words. That Moorings in my eyes is the most important one is because he still makes music for Clan Of Xymox , get it ?

Like I said , this is it for me over here , I am out , congratulations , I hope you and that Dr.Mies (sic) and see a doctor as you might have a case of amnesia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amnesia Knowitallfortoday 14:18, 7 January 2011 (UTC)

• I am an outsider. Anka, no disrespect, but I can't whistle a single Xymox tune... Drmies (talk) 21:14, 7 January 2011 (UTC)

• • Nor can I, being an outsider too. I think it must all be in his imagination.Muso88 (talk) 22:31, 7 January 2011 (UTC)