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Former featured articleVolkswagen Type 2 is a former featured article. Please see the links under Article milestones below for its original nomination page (for older articles, check the nomination archive) and why it was removed.
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redirection

Why does "splitscreen" redirects here? isn't it a multiplayer game mode? --Skippan (talk) 00:26, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

What the page still needs:

  • Someone should have look over all the facts and dates, because I'm not that deep in Type 2... done
  • Non-German external links done
  • Some more details on differences between T1a and T1b done

First Minivan

I posted this on the Featured Article page in February, but as it is no longer a Featured Article, the comment has gotten no responses, so I have copied it over to here as well:

"This change arguably makes the 1963 VW the first true minivan, although the term wouldn't be coined for another three decades.[citation needed]"

This is a comment to mention that there won't be a citation as this is only a sentiment expressed within the contemporary VW enthusiast community. The sentence even contains the word, "arguably", setting the sentence tone as rhetoric or opinion rather than fact. I am not opposed to opinion per se, but this idea really cannot be upheld.

The first problem is with the definition of "true minivan". The article's introduction already has links to Ford and Dodge products inspired by and competing with the VW Type 2. The term minivan was coined in reference to the gas-crunch-inspired downsizing of vans and trucks, giving rise to the terms minivan and mini truck. While these minivans had sliding side doors, the sliding side door can hardly be considered the defining feature of the minivan. The defining feature is the downsizing, thus contrasting full-size vans with minivans. So a VW enthusiast might look at the T1 sliding door and make a mental-image comparison and rightly think it resembles the minivan, but it by no means makes it the first minivan.

The statement is also heavily laden with background sentiments within the VW enthusiast community which go well beyond the scope of the paragraph:

1) The sentiment expresses pride by VW owners in their favorite vehicle.

2) The sentiment expresses regret that Volkswagen did not maintain their dominance in the van market, thus leaving current VW bus enthusiasts in a minority and diminishing position.

3) Additional sentiment underlying the statement are current VW enthusiasts' dissatisfaction with Volkswagen of America (VoA) for: 

 a) poor customer support for purchasers of new model Volkswagens

 b) lack of support for the vintage Volkswagens

 c) vigorous prosecution of enthusiast and after market support websites and businesses for unauthorized use of the VW logo and name.

Further research on these topics can be done in the archives at type2.com.

```` jkolak 2 Feb 2008 Jkolak (talk) 08:07, 24 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hippie Bus redirect is incorrect

A hippie bus is a converted former school bus, not a VW bus. Yet "hippie bus" redirects here. 71.141.254.22 06:04, 5 April 2007 (UTC)Steve P.[reply]


--XTaran | Talk 19:22, 25 Mar 2004 (UTC)


I would think that in popular culture most would agree that the word "hippie bus" conjures up an image of a VW bus, not a converted school bus, though the latter certainly was a part of the scene.

```` jkolak 2 Feb 2008 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jkolak (talk • contribs) 09:26, 4 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Do we need the kW values?

I'm not entirely happy with Bobblewik's kW conversions. It's a good idea in general, BUT: the hp values that were given in the article were SAE horsepower, which don't convert all that nicely to Kilowatts.

For instance, the 1200 cc Bug engine is referred to as a "40 hp engine" by Americans, while in Germany it has 34 (DIN) hp. Those 34 DIN hp convert to 25 kW. If you now convert the 40 hp to kW, you end up with a kW value no-one uses for that engine.

Possible Solutions

  • Get rid of the kW values ...
    • and add the DIN hp: "the 40 hp (34 DIN hp) engine"
    • and leave out the DIN hp: "the 40 hp engine" (as it was originally)
  • Retain the kW values ...
    • but have them refer to DIN hp instead: "the 40 hp (34 DIN hp/25 kW) engine"

Personally, I'd prefer the first option. No-one talks about aircooled VW engines in Kilowatts anyway. This is not about comparing performance to a new BMW, it is about identifying an old engine. The less confusion, the better.

Ermel 09:12, 1 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Well, one positive thing, the kilowatts have, is that younger european people probably better can imagine how powerful an engine is (not :-), if there is written 25kw instead of 36hp. But due to the US still not using kilowatts it's nearly senseless to convert there SAE hp to kilowatts. If kilowatts should be mentioned because of younger people can't imagine horsepowers, it should be the DIN hp to be converted. But if we do this, we have SAE hp, the DIN hp and the DIN kw, so we have three power values which would probably confuse much more people than helping others.

My suggestion: Use at maximum 2 values (preferably SAE hp and DIN hp to stay international) in the text and add a table at the end of document which lists all values mentioned before, together with the DIN kw values and perhaps also British hp values (which AFAIK differ from DIN hp a little bit), too. --XTaran | Talk 09:50, 1 Apr 2004 (UTC)

I added DIN hp now, and re-calculated the kW from them. However, I don't know all the SAE horsepower values. Rather than calculate them (and, according to Murphy's Law, mis-calculate them), I'd have some US Volkswagen enthusiast who knows their VW history add them. All they would need to do is replace every instance of "xx DIN hp (yy kW)" with "zz horsepower (xx DIN hp/yy kW).

The reason I don't do this myself is that when I make a mistake, the resulting information is just as confusing for US readers as their "36 hp engine" is to German ones. Therefore I'd rather that someone do this who know what they are doing.

Ermel 12:35, 1 Apr 2004 (UTC)

I did some posting of hp values from the VW published owners manuals in the T1 section.

````jkolak 2 Feb 2008 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jkolak (talk • contribs) 09:29, 4 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, I also moved the T4/T5 stuff to its own page, VW Eurovan.

Ermel 12:38, 1 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Title does not seem to match content

The title is VW Type 2, but the article seems to be about VW Types 1,2 and 3 and some front engined types. Very confusing. Should the article be perhaps renamed VW Transporter (currently a redirect here) and VW Type 2 redirected there?. -- Chris j wood 20:07, 1 Feb 2005 (UTC)

What's confusing is naming the generations T1, T2, T3, T4..., while naming the different models Type 1, Type 2, Type 3... If I understand this correctely VW Type 2, is the VW Transporter of generation T1 and T2.
Does anybody knows what the T, in the generation names stand for?
/boivie, 8 Aug 2005
Well, I suggest this page being moved back to VW Type 2 because that's the main focus of this article. The T3 has its own page Vanagon, and the T4 has VW Eurovan.
VW Transporter should be a disambiguation page. --Boivie 13:16, 12 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I take the T in T1,T2,T3,T4 as Transporter. They are all subtypes of Type 2. One could think of them as Type 2.1, Type 2.2, Type 2.3, Type 2.4. They in no way refer to the Type 1, Type 3, Type 4, or various Audi/NSU related vehicles (Rabbit/Golf, Scirocco, Dasher, etc)—which are mentioned, but only glancingly. —überRegenbogen 04:25, 14 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

VW Bomb?

I recently heard (on CBC)that one of the earlier models often had trouble with the fuel lines and sometimes even exploded. Can anyone tell me which one? Auric The Rad 04:04, Feb 20, 2005 (UTC)

Any 30-year-old vehicle is going to have brittle rubber fuel lines which will lead to engine fires. VW buses are no exception. The only difference with VWs is that they tend to last a lot longer than other vehicles, so their lines have a chance to deteriorate.
One possible source of mayhem is that the fuel tank is a fair bit higher than the fuel pump. A leaking tank to pump line could result in a lot of fuel introduced onto a hot engine. Indeed, to prevent flooding while the engine was stopped, our '63 Combi (1500cc) had an electric main jet.
LorenzoB 06:18, 8 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The fuel cutoff valve is a standard feature on all stock VW carburetors (including the water-cooled models, if i'm not mistaken). Its purpose is to prevent dieseling—not drainage (which the float-valve will otherwise deal with, if not faulty). (Many 3rd party carburetors (including those horribly unelegant Holley contraptions that people put on because they can't handle tuning the dual Solex carbs on the Type 4 engines) do not have a fuel cutoff valve.) —überRegenbogen 04:52, 14 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

At least some fire departments seem to be aware that the higher temperatures in an air-cooled engine compartment cause fuel lines to get hard and brittle faster than on water-cooled vehicles, and thus advise, as do VW enthusiasts, that the fuel lines in these vehicles be changed frequently, at least every other year. VW enthusiasts also note that corresponding US hose sizes may seal initially through compression, but eventually leak faster than the proper metric size. VW enthusiasts also recommend genuine german hose for quality and fit, as well as the fabric protection on the outside.

There is also an issue with carburetor float valves sticking and flooding the crankcase with fuel.

```` jkolak 2 Feb 2008 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jkolak (talk • contribs) 09:37, 4 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Request for references

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Page Move

I've requested this page be moved to Volkswagen Type 2 as "VW" is an abbreviation/stylized logo, not the name of the company or the car.Gateman1997 19:46, 24 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Brazilian Transporters

Although the article has emphasized on all four generations (European production), there should be a secondary reference for Transporters produced in Mexico, Brazil, and South Africa - especially pics of the non-German built T2s. VintageBus.com has several pics of the "T1.5" (pre-1967 bodyshell with a Bay Window nose and front doors) submitted by Brazilian nationals, and the Mexican model which featured a watercooled inline 4 sourced from VW/Audi.

Bug/Van combo

I have seen combinations, where a bug's upper portion was incorporated into the roof of the van, giving it a "cupola". Is this a common customization, or very rare? GBC 21:13, 1 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

linkspam?

The external links section has gotten quite large. Could someone familiar with the Type 2 check them as I don't have time to? Thanks, ~ c. tales *talk* 13:14, 15 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Most look OK, though there seems to be some duplication between the Communities and External Links section. Should communities already linked in the Communities section be removed from the external links section, or should the communities section be merged with the external links section?

I cleaned up some of the more obvious "advertising hype" and removed inconsistant bolding.

Yah so now we have the DMOZ ?? Give me a break... The DMOZ is dead, there links are horrible & outdated... I agree reducing the size of external links but the DMOZ? come on... I know there is a better solution than that... http://www.fullmoonbusclub.com http://www.thesamba.com http://www.lovemybus.com http://www.ratwell.com http://www.type2.com

I want to add this link http://www.van-sales.org/volkswagen_kombi It shows modern Kombi vans in 2008 model year. These vehicles are coming popular once again across UK and Europe due to changes in tax laws on commercial vehicles —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.86.55.35 (talk • contribs)

That's a blatant sales site. Sorry, no way the article is going to link to it. 77.183.117.142 (talk) 15:44, 16 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I was so bold as to remove all the remaining links except dmoz. (lovemybus.com was even listed twice, for crying out loud.) If the quality of the dmoz directory seems lacking, remove it altogether; articles don't have to have an external links section.

Remember the purpose isn't to collect 'convenience links' or to build a portal to related websites, no matter how good they are. For each new link there should a rationale of how its content adds to the material of the article, as opposed to being a mere web directory entry. 77.183.117.142 (talk) 15:49, 16 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I understand your point but many users come here for information, they find the information, and then when they are at the bottom of the article the link out to sites. The DMOZ is dead, it is a waste of time even talking about it, and I would rather see link spam there then the DMOZ. Adding the 5 links above would make much more sense then the DMOZ 80% of the inks in the DMOZ are 404. ----

Pop culture

The section has become a basic list and adds no value or information to the articles topic. The section was added without discussion so I'm going to remove it. If anyone objects, rv the change and lets hammer out the details. Pop culture is not a list of films, video, etc. so if the section is to stay it should contain encyclopedic content.--I already forgot 21:06, 24 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Magic Bus?

"The Who's "Magic Bus" is said to be about this vehicle."

This doesn't jive at all. Magic Bus is obviously about a transit coach: "Every day i stand in the queue, to get on the bus that takes me to you." —überRegenbogen 05:29, 14 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

That is correct. I have heard that the Who did some promotions for Volkswagen. If true, that may be where the idea came from. ```` —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jkolak (talk • contribs) 09:44, 4 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Interior

What are these vans like on the inside? What features do they have, etc.? Has the interior changed much over the years? There seems to be hardly anything about the inside in the article (save the sentence of the reasons why it was a major counterculture symbol). I'm paticularly interested in the Type 2, T1 Campers. Can anyone help me? Thank you very much. 82.27.17.39 16:31, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]


they rarely had leather interiors, it was mainly the cheapest materials they could get, it was all cheap and extremely minimal. Volkswagen of the time was cheap and inexpensive to make and buy it had all the existing parts Volkswagen already owned, and design is what made it sell.

you know where the founder of ikea got the idea from when you look at the early Volkswagen company. 82.171.59.199 16:31, 22 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

these days you can get everything you want, Volkswagen is a big and expensive company, they can't make cheap cars even if they want "even skoda isn't that cheap" 82.171.59.199 16:32, 22 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Primarily masonite board with padded vinyl covering. Camper vans had thin plywood. David Eccles has published an authoritative book on VW camper vans with extensive photos of the various editions.

```` jkolak 2 Feb 2008 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jkolak (talk • contribs) 09:50, 4 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

References in Culture: Film: Little Miss Sunshine

If any one objects to me removing the actor list for Little Miss Sunshine, please let me know. The text Alan Arkin also appears in this movie, as does Greg Kinnear, Steve Carell, and Toni Collette. is irrelevant to this article. This is an article about the bus and it is not important who was in this and that movie with the bus. If anyone really wants to know who is in the movie, they will follow the link to the movie page. Fsamuels 13:36, 11 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

New Bus

They need to reference the new Bus. 67.188.172.165 16:47, 26 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

That hideous new Radiator grille

We should all unite and hold hands around the T2 factory in Brazil and refuse to budge until they agree to stop putting those ugly black grilles on the T2 vans. What an act of vandalism to ruin the perfectly formed visage of such a a classic!!! (67.169.180.207 (talk) 04:55, 24 July 2008 (UTC))[reply]

merge

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.
The result was no consensus to merge. -- AdmiralKolchak (talk) 14:09, 2 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Volkswagen Transporter should be merged with this article, they cover the same subject. Theo (talk) 22:43, 6 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The city in Germany where it was manufactured is Hannover (double n)

Hannover and not Hanover —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.37.135.221 (talk) 19:28, 9 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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