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Launch

We are excited to tell you that VEVO will launch the evening of Tuesday, December 8! (Pavelow235 (talk) 05:11, 19 November 2009 (UTC))[reply]

VEVO logo red highlighting: VEvo or veVo?

The logo used in the article highlights the V and E in red, but the actual logo on Vevo.com only highlights the second V. Did they change it? Shouldn't Wikipedia change to match? There are logos here: Official Vevo Logos -- but I guess SVG is the most desirable format, no? Should we forgo that until someone can make an SVG of the revised logo? (Also, for future reference -- should I have put this on the picture talk page instead of here?) Tophtucker (talk) 21:45, 2 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I'll update the coloration when I get a chance. I think they changed it. Anyways, non-free images are never displayed anywhere other than its designated article, according to fair use guidelines. So you did the correct thing :) --ZooFari 22:50, 2 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
 Fixed. --ZooFari 22:48, 12 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Name

Vevo's slogan is "VEVO | Music Evolution Revolution!" At a guess, the name is a portmanteau of "video" and "evolution/revolution". This seems to make sense, but it was not added to the article because of the original research issue.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 09:31, 3 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Vevo on YouTube

At the moment, the Vevo artist channels are available on YouTube. This seems to be a promotion for the new service, which is not currently available worldwide (eg Rihanna's Vevo channel is on YouTube here). The Vevo channels have been picking up criticism on the technical front, with some users saying that they keep freezing and rebuffering.[1] This may be because the picture size is 850 x 480px, which requires a better quality Internet connection and computer than standard quality YouTube videos. Some of the videos have pre-roll adverts, which has also led to criticism.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 14:16, 6 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The part about the videos having RTMPE was removed due to a lack of sourcing. Unlike YouTube videos, Vevo videos cannot be downloaded, but it is unclear why. The most likely reason is that they are streaming without buffering, which means that they do not cache to the local hard drive. When a Vevo video starts playing, the buffer bar (which is pink) is full immediately, unlike a YouTube video which takes a while for the buffer to fill up. This would also account for the freeze-prone performance that numerous people have reported with Vevo videos.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 08:38, 9 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
During the first month after its launch, Vevo generated a lot of complaints about slow video loading and picture freezing. Unfortunately, since most of this was in the tech forums (eg here it is unsuitable for the article. It looks like Vevo may have changed the system on the YouTube channels, because the videos are now buffering, which they were apparently not doing at the launch.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 22:34, 12 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
In response to this edit, it is true that some Vevo videos on YouTube are producing the message: "This video contains content from Vevo, who has decided to block it in your country." For example, I am in the UK and get this message when trying to access "Gwen Stefani - The Sweet Escape ft. Akon". However, most of the Vevo videos seem to work on YouTube, and there are original research issues here.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 14:57, 15 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
In response to this edit, This page reads like an advertisment. It couldn't be more positive and it is rather obvious who wrote it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.227.82.245 (talk) 07:15, 29 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
What's not to like? There is not much information about Vevo at the moment, but the article does not read like an advertisement. The article also stresses that the www.vevo.com website is not available worldwide.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 07:51, 29 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Availability in Japan

There has been remarkably little about the launch of Vevo in the media, but the sources agree that the launch was on 8 December 2009 in the USA and Canada.[2][3] Japan may have been added to the article in good faith, but would require a reliable source, so it has been removed for the time being.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 20:11, 6 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Availability in Andorra

On 10 January 2010 vevo is also available on Andorra, so might be convenient to update the countries in which vevo is allowed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.228.227.133 (talk) 11:20, 10 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, see above. Vevo's publicity says that it is due to go worldwide in 2010, but availability in individual countries should have a reliable source. According to the sources, Vevo is available only in the US and Canada at the moment. I am in the UK and get the "sorry" message for www.vevo.com.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 11:31, 10 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Relationship to "Vivio"

The design of both the company "Vivio" and "Vevo" are very similar. There is also a relationship between them and the design that goes into "Verizon". Red, Grey, and an emphasis on the letter "V". Either they are trying to replicate eachother's characteristics, or these are branches of the same company. Brewing monopoly if you ask me. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.171.44.214 (talk) 04:21, 1 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I could not find the Vivio logo and the similarity to the Verizon logo is only passing. Companies are usually careful about names and logos in case they set off claims of plagiarism. There is no sourcing at the moment to suggest a link between Verizon and Vevo.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 07:46, 1 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Vivio= http://www.vivio.co.uk/
Vevo= http://www.vevo.com/
Verizon= http://www22.verizon.com/?CMP=KNC-CONSBRAND —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.171.44.214 (talk) 08:40, 1 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
As this article points out:

Draw a blue circle on the screen and you’ve just stolen the Blaupunkt logo. Draw a yellow line and you’re copying Visa. Draw a black swoosh and you’re ripping off Nike. The less intricacies involved in creating your masterpiece, the more likely it is that someone has already created it.

Even if there are similarities, it does not necessarily mean that the companies are linked in some way.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 09:04, 1 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I call that the "duh" or "easy anti-thesis" argument, which provides you the illusion of intellectual progress. The superior response is "I don't know, but it is interesting to note." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.171.44.214 (talk) 15:15, 3 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
This is wandering off into WP:NOTAFORUM territory. If you have any reliable sourcing that these companies are linked in some way, please provide it.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 15:43, 3 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Availability in Russia

Vevo works very well in Russia. No "sorry" message. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.243.254.62 (talk) 19:33, 3 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

This is one of the problems facing the article at the moment. In the UK, I am still getting the "Sorry" message. The info about Russia may be correct, but it needs reliable sourcing. Vevo has not been picking up much media coverage, and the official launch publicity said that the site is available only in the US and Canada.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 19:46, 3 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

misc

Isn't it contradictory stating that one of the reasons of Vevo existance is because high end publishers don't want to be hosted side-by-side with user-generated videos although this is considered a possibility in the future. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.11.244.24 (talk) 16:43, 19 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

 Done The wording here was a bit confusing.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 17:54, 20 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Vevo in the UK

Vevo was launched in the US and Canada in December 2009, and is scheduled to go worldwide in 2010. However, when I try to access www.vevo.com in the UK, (with a UK IP address), I get the following message: [4]. If anyone has accessed Vevo in the UK, please explain how you did it, or provide a reliable source for the UK launch, which does not seem to have happened yet.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 11:53, 8 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Vevo in Australia

Vevo is NOT available currently in Australia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.231.5.237 (talk) 16:38, 11 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

OK, although the site is due for worldwide rollout in 2010, any additions need reliable sourcing. For a fact, I cannot access www.vevo.com in the UK at the moment.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 16:45, 11 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Max Player Size Wrong

"Like YouTube, Vevo uses the Flash video format for its content. The player size is up to 850 x 480 pixels,"

I don't see how that's true with Lady Gaga's Telephone or Miley Cyrus's Can't be Tamed are offered in 1080. Psilocybin (talk) 21:16, 7 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

This was true when Vevo was launched, but things have moved on. There are now some 720p and 1080p videos on Vevo. The usual sizes are 640x360 and 850x480. There are no videos smaller than this, which means that a modern computer and broadband connection are needed to enjoy the site.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 07:01, 8 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Expanding the article

Re: the expand template. It has proved difficult to find reliable sources for much beyond what the article currently says. Vevo may have decided to delay/drop its plans for a worldwide launch, just as Hulu dropped its plans for a promised UK version in April 2010.[5] Is there anything that is reliably sourced and not too promotional that the article should include?--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 19:50, 7 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

VEVO channel on YouTube

The number of views for videos in the VEVO channel on YouTube is currently over 18 Billion (short scale), which is over 14 times that of the runner up. Not sure if this information should be added to the article. --82.171.70.54 (talk) 02:12, 10 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Criticism section?

I've seen a lot of criticism of Vevo by different sources, on issues such as it pushing home user videos out of the spotlight (I saw a TON of this when "Bad Romance" hit more total views than "Charlie Bit My Finger") and its publishing of only censored versions of videos. It seems to have a lot of critics of its recent influence on YouTube. Many of the highest rated user comments on several videos are statements like "FUCK VEVO" as well. I've heard people claim that Vevo is likely inflating the view counts on its videos in one way or another too. I feel like someone should maybe compile a section covering this type of information.Josh (talk) 01:50, 4 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Separate criticism sections are not usually good writing style, as they can become magnets for soapboxing and WP:COATRACK edits. Vevo has picked up a fair amount of criticism from regular YouTube users, but criticism needs to be reliably sourced rather than unsourced personal opinion. The charts on Vevo are a puzzle, because it seems odd that some of the videos on Vevo have managed to achieve more views in a few months than Charlie Bit My Finger or Evolution of Dance did in several years. However, it is hard to comment on the ratings system without proper sourcing. Vevo has also been criticized for showing censored versions of videos, but even in the days of YouTube, Avril Lavigne was blanked in Girlfriend when she sang "I'm the mother****ing princess". Some pop videos have NSFW content, and they tend to be toned down for Vevo. There are a lot of comments on Vevo videos criticizing the service, but they are not a reliable source that could be used in the article.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 08:13, 4 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

UK launch

The Vevo coming soon page hints at a December 2010 launch for the vevo.com site in the UK, but there is a strong element of WP:CRYSTAL. Vevo seems to have become bogged down in licensing issues with the Big Four record companies. The wording of the "coming soon" notice is "VEVO is actively working with our international publishers to obtain the proper public performance licenses, which differ widely country-to-country. As it stands, it is our plan to expand globally with the launch of VEVO UK (United Kingdom) by December 2010." On the basis of this wording, a December 2010 launch for Vevo UK still looks speculative.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 06:32, 17 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Editing the intro paragraphs.

I feel like something needs to be editing in the intro paragraphs. It seems to be based on opinion? Thoughts please.--Redsox42311 (talk) 01:50, 20 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Censorship of videos

The article cited for the claim that Vevo themselves censors the videos has been duplicated on several other websites, which leads me to believe that it's not reliable. This is exacerbated by the fact that the example shown in the article and its clones ("I'm on a Boat" by the Lonely Island) has an uncut version on the same channel. Virtually all of the censored videos I've seen on Vevo were created prior to YouTube taking off and were therefore probably never uncensored in the first place so that they could be shown on television. The fan-uploaded versions of these videos that do have the swearing were probably the result of them dubbing over the explicit version of the song before they posted it. 70.112.76.206 (talk) 03:04, 23 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The article cites the censorship issue to this report. Removal of inappropriate material has been a persistent complaint about VEVO, but even in the days when the videos were on YouTube, some bad language was removed, for example Avril Lavigne singing "I'm the mother****ing princess" in Girlfriend. Lady Gaga's "Telephone" has an "Official Explicit Version" as well as the "clean" version. Some of the criticism of VEVO on this issue may be overdone, but it should be noted that all of the versions of videos on VEVO are officially approved by the record company, and are not fan made uploads as often happens on YouTube.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 07:43, 23 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Well wait, you posted the same rough comment twice... VEVO is owned by the record companies, so their official approval is meaningless as it's a distinction without a difference. Your posts on this make you sound like a shill. 75.85.48.138 (talk) 05:34, 24 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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