Talk:Sun

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color and emphasis

I really think its important that we focus on these two things a bit more in the article. Not that I think sections need to be erected, but that certain wordings need to be altered.

First of all, I don't believe that 'white' is a color. Black and white are essentially the 'off' and 'on' state of rods and cones. Black is the lack of light and white is a perception overflow of light. Open and closed, they are only the representation of light & according to modern physics, photons are not color. Photons become entangled with other particles and CARRY the color along with them. Therefore, 'white' isn't a 'color' and the sun is actually YELLOW - GREEN 7 NOT WHITE.

Secondly, I do not believe there is enough emphasis put on the fact that the surface observations of the sun are not advanced enough to determine what lies beneath. If the sun emits photons, it is entirely possible that the photons generate the heat observed from the sun and the fusion is actually cold. We speak of the sun as though it is a burning ball of fire, but the oxygen content is lacking, thought it could be that it is burnt away, it still doesn't change the fact that you would need to penetrate the corona in order to get accurate readings. It very well could be that underneath a fusion layer we could find an condensate ocean, surrounding a ball of ice, that encases a super cooled gas sphere. But, we can not know this for sure, and that is my point. Lawstubes (talk) 02:05, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

Please read white#light. For your second bit, we use reliable sources to determine "emphasis" or whatever - and please read WP:NOTAFORUM. Vsmith (talk) 03:16, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

The metallicity is wrong

The value of the metallicity give in the table on the right is wrong. I dont mean that the source cited is false, but the value depicted is not the metallicity (Z) but the ratio Z/X which is not the metals mass fraction over total mass (definition of Z) but the metals mass fraction over the hydrogens mass fraction! The value given by the article that's cited is 0.0133. 90.40.241.68 (talk) 20:46, 4 January 2011 (UTC)Panos_Strasbg

I changed the infobox to cite Z=0.0122 from Asplund et al. (2006). Unfortunately, this is not consistent with the elemental abundances at the bottom of the box. New 3-D models of the Sun's atmosphere have lowered estimates of Z which perhaps led to confusion. Spacepotato (talk) 21:39, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

"About"

This word is used nine times in the lead (and fifty seven times in the article), can anything be done to cut a few of them out?--NYMFan69-86 (talk) 05:35, 15 January 2011 (UTC) you all know maybe a lies —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.218.241.208 (talk) 20:38, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

Solar abundance problem

It would be great if someone has time to add a section on the solar abundance problem which, I think it is fair to say, has replaced the neutrino problem as THE unsolved problem in solar physics. Timb66 (talk) 12:11, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

Mapping

Important info needs to be added in that the Sun's surface has finally been mapped. No CGI here. How as well. Simply south...... 12:35, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

I have removed the out-of-date tag. Please give more details and sources for your assertion.Timb66 (talk) 19:37, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

Recent reports on two space probes orientating around the sun have mapped out what the sun's surface has looked like. Maybe not quite the right tag to use. See here and here. Simply south...... 19:52, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

OK, thanks. Yes, the results from the Stereo spacecraft are noteworthy, but note they are the latest in a succession of spacecraft dedicated to studying the Sun, such as SOHO, TRACE, Ulysses. I don't think the out-of-date tag was justified here. Better to add some links. Timb66 (talk) 23:04, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

SUN DOES NOT "PUT OFF" LIGHT/HAS NO COLOR!!! (i know, but fight that initial emotion)

I've already tried to fix this. The sun doesn't 'emit' light, nor does it have color. Get it right! The sun is technically a 'dark body'! All it does is interact with the surroundings and create waveforms/frequencies that take on the appearance of what we call 'light' or 'color'. The sun does this with friction/heat. In actuality, it is the suns manipulation of the space/time around it that creates the valleys in space/time that allow the pathway light occupies. It is nothing but the suns own mass & the vastness of the rabbit hole (aka the universe) that generate this phenomena, the sun emits nothing but super massive clouds of matter, mostly hydrogen & helium. It's (the sun) TRUE color is most likely BLACK or CLEAR because it does not 'create' light or color, but is part of their INDUCTION from space/time. Pure white light is simply the polar opposite of 'dark/matter' which is something like 'light/in-matter'. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.218.85.222 (talk) 19:25, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

No.--Xession (talk) 19:27, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

go back to school.

color and light are simply the physical function of translating non-physical forces that connect us to other potentially physical bodies. or the sun.

light has no mass and therefore can not be a function of motion, as it does not exist physically. It is an inductive force created within an empty space, a whirlwind. The sun is only half the equation when one is talking about the color of it/the light.

What Xession said. And while we're on the topic, you're thinking of a black body, not a dark body, and a black body is something which does not reflect light, not does not emit light. As for the Sun not "emitting light", how you can even say that with a straight face is beyond me. Headbomb {talk / contribs / physics / books} 19:35, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

I'm not going to offer a chemistry or physics lecture on the discussion board of the Sun, but the sun does emit light and it does this by having trillions of trillions of hydrogen and helium atoms in a hightened energy state. A simple observation of such a phenomenon, albeit at a much lesser level of energy, can be seen on Earth easily by looking at neon lights.--Xession (talk) 19:38, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

Listen, I don't want to make you think I'm attacking you. But chemistry is different that physics.

But I can say the sun doesn't have color with a straight face, because we are saying it does with a straight face, and that is scientifically retarded to say because it isn't provable scientifically. Until we have better INSTRUMENTS to test these claims, there will be no evidence! So I'm going to speak up and say the contrary.

in a pitch black room, a light bulb is black. Turn it on, and all of a sudden you are given the illusion that the bulbs color has changed, but there is an inherant barrier. The light blinds you to the true color of the bulb.