Talk:Hippie

Deleted Pics

Okay, I added many, many pics on the "Hippie" page that I found on an anonymous site. But they've all been deleted. I'm sure it was not out of anger, but why all of them? There's only two left, I am curious, maybe it was something about the copyright (which I am also having a problem with recently). But it seems that whenever I find a pic, honestly I have no idea about a license, I just put down the website I found it. About 1 out of every 10 pics I upload have been tagged by orphanbot, the others were just deleted. Why? --Teenageliberal 21:07, 7 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

* Marijuana, which then had less potency than it does today, was prized as much for its iconoclastic, illicit nature as for its effect. Whoever put this in - sure about that? -- till we *) 00:13, Aug 26, 2003 (UTC)

<<potency>> I don't have a cite, but it is something that I've heard mentioned in informational meetings. It is asserted by those who wish to see less widespread use of marijuana, when speaking to parents who participated in the counterculture movement of the 1960s. <<source of prizedness>> Perhaps this is speculation in part, as it is a generalization, but it is certainly what I remember of the movement. I will notify the relevant Wikipedians who may be able to speak from more personal experience than I can. Kat 14:52, 26 Aug 2003 (UTC)

The second part is probably true, but could use a cite. The first is defiantly false. This comparison has been well-publicized by the DEA and other groups, but it is based on comparing weed seized at the Mexican border back then with weed hydroponically grown in the US today (schwag vs. kb). I will remove the claim.--Tuf-Kat

Oh dear. I haven't touched dope in a long time, but yes, anyone of my generation (I'm born in '54) who has been around drugs can assure you that what people smoke now is much stronger than what was commonly smoked in the 60s. People today smoke bud, and it's bud from plants that has been bred for potency for some time. My generation, when young, smoked mostly leaves, and when you bought a given quantity you had to card out the seeds and stems yourself. 206.124.153.89 22:47, 26 Dec 2003 (UTC)

I guess it depends who's buying. I'm a schwag man, myself -- seeds and stems and all. Maybe it is true that there is more potent marijuana available today than there was in the sixties, but I don't think its share of the market is as big as you make it. A lot of smokers can't afford sixty, seventy, eighty bucks for an eighth. And people have been smoking and breeding stronger weed for centuries -- just like wheat or maize or apples or walnuts -- that's not to say that the science hasn't developed a lot since the sixties, but 60's weed was also cultivated. Hydroponics was probably a new thing at the time (If it existed at all?).--Tuf-Kat 06:11, Dec 27, 2003 (UTC)

This is 2 years later, but I'd just like to note something -- People misunderstand and misconstrue the word "potency". You could be "really bad" or "really potent" weed in the 60's, and you can now. Pot as a whole has not gotten more or less potent. If it were more potent, it would actually be more healthy. It's funny how the anti-drug propaganda mentions that and shoots itself in the foot like that, as a side note. And, 80 BUCKS FOR AN EIGHTH? MY GOD MAN WHAT KIND OF EIGHTHS ARE YOU BUYING? I buy excellent, excellent marijuana for maximum 40$ an eighth, and only 80 if im buying the most potent stuff in the world, which is 40 a gram!

Or did I misunderstand the statement?

Sorry, I'm stoned. bahaha.--Lockeownzj00 02:59, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I've seen $80 before (For very good stuff), though never paid more than $50.--Tuf-Kat 21:53, Apr 21, 2005 (UTC)

Even if it was 'very good stuff'? (Which is, as you said, worth 30$ more?) I think I can hear your logic squeak ;)--OleMurder 00:36, 14 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Origin of the Word

Doesn't the name Hippy come from Hipsters, a type of jeans fasionable at the time?--2toise 10:56, 5 Nov 2003 (UTC)

It does sort of come from Hipster, but the jeans came after, not before. I think the best orthographic description of the origins of the word would go approximately:

(1953) "Hep cat"-- (1957) "Hep"-- (1961) "Hip"-- (1963) "Hipster"-- (1967) "Hippie". You could continue with "Yippie" and "Zippie" and "Yuppie" and "Buppie" if you wanted to recount every tiresome transmogrification of the term.--Doovinator 03:13, 8 Apr 2005 (UTC)

M. Mead

I don't see why discussing the truth or falseness of M. Meads surely influential assumptions about South Sea people improves an article about Hippies. So I reverted.-- till we ☼☽ | Talk 22:38, 18 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Hiya!

I am an aging Hippie and proud of it! What is a Hippie? It depends on who you ask! If you ask Mike Wallace, it is someone who is unconventional or acts like a young derelict! LOL! Ask me and I'll say a person who is Hip or Cool or OK or Easygoing. In the Sixties a Male Hippie had long hair and wore Tye Dye T Shirts & Bell Bottom Denim Jeans. The first time I saw young men with long hair was in 1964 at JFK Airport when the Beatles arrived. Later that year I was watching NBC News Special Report and there was a Vietnam War Protest at The 1964 New York World's Fair and some young men with long hair were fighting with police on an escalator and the reporters and police were calling the protesters "Hippies" and noted they had long hair and were students at a University. Gabe Pressman was a reporter there. So the earliest report of a Hippie in my mind is 1964. Before that, the type were referred to as Beatniks. Hippies did not all have the same political beliefs or religious beliefs. Most Hippies were against the Vietnam War, but by 1975, everyone in America wanted out of Vietnam!

We just weren't gonna win that one. Drug use, especially Cannabis was seen by most young people whether they were Hippies or Square. It was part of the rites of passage. Most people nowadays see being a Hippie as a way guys used to get girls. It was not. It was a way of acting for rebellious youth. Hippies still exist, but the original 1964 crop is dying fast. Last I heard of any organised Counterculture was called "The Rainbows" and they had met in Colorado in the mid 90's. Most Hippie Communes have become defunct. Hippie music is still with us and defines the time. Hippies gave us the Apple Computer for home use and invented the PCR-DNA Test which has freed many innocent men from Prison! Hippies have created new Medicines and therapies and made life better.

--Supercool Dude 06:28, 15 Jan 2005 (UTC)

I also just want to say hey to all you beautiful cats and chicks out there. I miss you all. The world became a better place for ya, and thanks for making the dream come alive and stay alive for a while .... The whole thing was, of course, totally misrepresented by mainstream HIS-STORY ("The Meaning of the Sixties" ... HAH! Like they'd know!). Sometime someone will put it all together and put out The Book that hasn't been written yet.

See y'all later! Twang 08:38, 3 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Opening/Politics and Silly Statements

I think the opening definitions of hippies is too political... Make it sound like hippies were all neo-Marxists. Some were, but I don't think politics is the essence of the movement.

Also, "Mid-late 1967, being a hippie had lost its real purpose" doesn't exactly reek of objectivity.

Drugs

But in fact overall, drugs were not and still are not considered a central theme in hippie culture

I removed the above statement by 205.188.116.71 because this user made an all encompassing statement leaving out very key pieces of information such as who doesn't consider drugs to be a central theme? The “hippies”? Americans? Nicaragua? What percentage of this group feels this way? Half? 88%? This contributor also sounds like they’re coming to the defense of the hippie culture instead of listing factual information. They could have given a key fact, statistic, quotation, or any other piece of information to defend their point. Simply saying that drugs weren’t and are still not considered a central theme is akin to me stating boldly that overall, the paint job on my car is not considered to be ugly. I just can’t prove that. oo64eva (AJ) 22:25, Apr 4, 2005 (UTC)

Well, I was there, and drugs=hippies and hippies=drugs. There were those who used more, or less, than others, but the two were inseparable. To say otherwise is wishful revisionism. Such a statement may fly now, but in the 60's and 70's would have been laughed off the planet.--Doovinator 04:13, 5 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Many people recall that hippies did not smoke tobacco cigarettes, and considered tobacco dangerous, but photographs from the time shows many hippies smoking cigarettes.

I'm not sure about this. I think the hippy movement considered tobacco "the drug of the establishment", and therefore refrained from using it; I doubt very much that they refrained from using it because they considered it dangerous. Also, it is worth remembering that many young people at that time would have dressed in a hippy style, even if they were not actual hippies (In the same way that dressing in "gangsta"-style doesn't necessarily make you a gangster), so photographs showing people with long hair and tie dyed shirts smoking cigarettes doesn't really prove much.

I'd say it basically just wasn't thought about very much. Smoking tobacco didn't really mean much of anything one way or the other at the time; However the 'preferred' smoke, the smoke which more or less defined who was or wasn't a hippie, was certainly marijuana. If pot wasn't available, catnip or banana peels or tobacco would have to do.--Doovinator 07:50, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)

My personal two-cents worth (I was at Berkeley all through the late '60s): The pot most of us smoked then was, indeed, much more powerful than what's commonly imbibed now -- not because pot was innately more powerful but because we were pretty naive and generally broke. Rather than "Maui Wowie," most of us on campus got by on what George Carlin called "Toledo Windowbox," and you had to smoke half a dozen to get a decent high. Regarding tobacco: Smoking simply wasn't taken seriously as a health hazard yet and most of us smoked routinely. Tobacco wasn't so much the "establishment's drug" (that would be martinis, etc), it was just the most easily available and cheapest (about 30 cents a pack for unfiltered Camels, as I recall). I was too busy with grad school and supporting a family to be more than a hippie "fellow traveler", but I *do* miss the '60s! -----Michael K. Smith 00:07, 12 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

This is a mess

"Distinguishing Marks" -- Sounds like a term to descibe a dog breed. How's about "Distinguishing characteristics?"

"..., Mid-late 1967, being a hippie had lost its real purpose." Huh? Where does that come from? What is a hippie's "real purpose?" The hippie spirit lives on in western culture. The statement is essentially contradicted in the next paragraph.

The Grateful Dead isn't particualrly psychedelic.--Janis Joplin more blues than psychedlic.

       "Dark Star" is not psychedelic? -Odog, 01/10/06

Yes, the "movement" may be difficult to describe, but I believe the essence is rebellion.

Another thought... with the several definitions I see here of "hippie," how about organizing the article that way -- "Peace and love hippies", "Sex, drugs and rock 'n' roll hippies," "Dirty, stinkin' drug addict hippies", etc.

Check out passive voice and weasel words, then dive in folks.--sparkit 03:24, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Also known as flower children.--sparkit 02:06, 7 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I worked out most of my concerns above in the draft below.

Comments?

Oh, this article could use some pictures, too.--sparkit 03:59, 7 Apr 2005 (UTC)

original text: Many white people with curly or natty hair associated with the 1960s counterculture and American Civil Rights Movement wore their hair in afros in earnest imitation of African Americans. Some people find the longer hair offensive.

Websters defines 'natty as "trimly neat and tidy". Here's Wiktionary's take on it. In any case, it's not the right word. Perhaps nappy was the word the author was looking for? I don't know. kinky might work. Ckamaeleon 13:12, 26 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed rewrite (Was "I'll start")

Hippie (Or sometimes hippy) is a term originally used to describe some of the rebellious youth of the 1960's and 1970's.

Hippies expressed their desire for change with communal or nomadic lifestyles, by renouncing corporate nationalism and the Vietnam War, by embracing aspects of non-traditional religious cultures, and with criticism of Western middle class values. Criticism included the views that the goverment was paternalistic, corporate industry was greedy and domineering, traditional morals were askew, and war was inhumane.

"Hippie" is also used, pejoratively, to describe long-haired unkempt drug users, regardless of their socio-political beliefs.

Origins (Turn this into a header)

In the 1940's and 1950's the term "hipster" came into usage by the American beat generation to describe jazz and swing music performers, and evolved to also describe their bohemian-like culture that formed around the art of the time.

The 1960's hippie culture evolved from the beat culture. September 6, 1965, marked the first San Francisco newspaper story, by Michael Fellon, that used the word "hippie" to refer to younger bohemians. The name did not catch on in mass media until almost two years later.

Hippie action in the San Francisco area, particularly the Haight-Ashbury neighborhood, centered around the Diggers, an guerilla street theater group that combined spontaneous street theater, anarchistic action, and art happenings in their agenda of creating a "free city". The San Francisco Diggers grew from two radical traditions thriving in the area in the mid-1960's: the bohemian/underground art/theater scene, and the new left/civil rights/peace movement.

Because many hippies wore flowers in their hair and gave flowers people they are also called "flower children".

Summer 1967 in Haight-Ashbury became known as the Summer of Love as young people gathered (75,000 by police estimates) and shared the new culture of, music, drugs, and rebellion. However, the Diggers felt co-opted by media attention and interpretation, and at the end of the summer held a "Death of Hippie"-parade.

Some hippies insist that "hippie" was a marketing tool created by "the establishment", and that hippies, per se, do not exist.

Politics (Turn this into a header)

Hippies often participated in peace movement's, including peace marches such as the USA marches on Washington and civil rights marches, and anti-Vietnam War demonstrations including the 1968 Democratic Convention. Yippies represented a highly politically active sub-group.

By 2005 standards, they were prone sexism, however the culture rapidly embraced feminism and egalitarian principles.

Though hippies embodied a counterculture movement, early hippies were not particularly tolerant of homosexuality. Acceptance of homosexuality grew with the culture.

Hippie political expression also took the form of "dropping out" of society to implement the changes they sought. The back to the land movement, cooperative business enterprises, alternative energy, free press movement, and organic farming, embraced by hippies were all political in nature at their start.

Cultural characteristics (Turn this into a header)

Longer hair and fuller beards than current fashion. African-Americans (and a caucasians with "natty" hair) associated with the 1960's counterculture (And parallel civil rights movement) wore their hair in "afros." Some people find the longer hair offensive. They believe it is unhygienic, frivolous, or feminine; Or offensive because it violates traditional cultural expectations.
Bright-colored clothing, and unusual styles (Such as bell-bottom pants, tie-dyed garments, peasant blouses, and Indian-inspired clothing)
Listening to certain styles of music; Psychedelic rock such as Jimi Hendrix and Jefferson Airplane, blues such as Janis Joplin, soulful funk like Sly & The Family Stone and jam bands like the Grateful Dead. Modern jam band counterparts are groups like Phish, String Cheese Incident, moe., the Black Crowes, or Goa trance music.
Performing music casually (Often guitars) in friends' homes, or for free at outdoor fairs such as San Francisco's legendary "Human Be-In" of January 1967, Woodstock, or gatherings like Burning Man festival.
Free love (See also: Sexual revolution).
Communal living
Incense

Drugs subhead.

recreational drugs, particularly marijuana, hashish, and hallucinogens such as LSD and Psilocybin. Some hippies prize marijuana for its iconoclastic, illicit nature as well as for its psychopharmaceutical effects. Although many hippies did not use drugs, drug use is a trait ascribed to hippies.

Drugs were, and still are, controversially considered a central theme in hippie culture.

Many people recall that hippies did not smoke tobacco cigarettes, and considered tobacco dangerous, but photographs from the time shows many hippies smoking cigarettes.

Legacy (Turn this into a header)

By 1970, much of hippie style, but little of it's substance, had passed into mainstream culture. The media lost interest in the hippie subculture. However, many hippies made, and continue to maintain, long-term commitments to the lifestyle. Because hippies have avoided publicity since the Summer of Love/Woodstock-era, a myth arose that they no longer exist. As of 2005, hippies are found in bohemian, open-minded enclaves around the world, as wanderers following the bands they love. Since the early 1970's, many rendevous annually at Rainbow Gatherings to celebrate and pray for peace. Others gather at meetings and festivals celebrating life and love, such as the Peace Fest.

Neo-Hippies (Turn this into a header)

Neo-hippie is a name given to turn of the 21st century hippies, who retain some aspects of the 1960s hippie movement. Dreadlocks, especially with beads sewn into them, are popular among neo-hippies.

Pejorative connotations (Turn this into a header)

The term "hippie" is often used with the pejorative connotation of participation in recreational drug use (At least to the extent of using marijuana) and choosing not to think or care much about work, responsibility, the larger society, or personal hygiene.

That's it for now...--sparkit 03:51, 7 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I've edited the above proposed rewrite. Comments?--sparkit (talk) 04:29, May 1, 2005 (UTC)

I finished the above rewrite and posted it. I don't think I left out any of the previous material.--sparkit (talk) 15:20, May 15, 2005 (UTC)

Hippie purpose

If I'm not mistaken hippies had a very good purpose in this world. I think they only meant to show the harm and badness in all of the commercialism and war in the world. I think it would be a better thing if more people in the world were hippies. Maybe then people would understand the harm they're doing to this world. Like the walk outs for example. They just wanted to get attention from the public, so that they would hear them out.

Hippies

Hippies were not any kind of political movement.

Some spouted Socialist beliefs, but there was no one point of view.

Some voted for Humphrey and others voted for Nixon.

Um. No, I doubt it. Most of us probably supported Bobby Kennedy at the beginning, switched to Gene McCarthy after the assassination, and either voted for Humphrey in semi-disgust or stayed away from the polls. But I don't know *any* self-styled hippie who had anything but contempt for Nixon. -----Michael K. Smith 00:13, 12 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, agreed. Nixon basically ran on an anti-hippie platform, calling hippies "those bums" and the like. In '68 the hippies who were old enough to vote (a small number, as most hippies were still under 21 in 1968) voted for Humphrey or didn't vote. In '72 George McGovern got the hippie vote and practically nobody else! Doovinator 04:55, 12 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Yippies were Hippies who belonged to the Youth International Party, a Socialist style Political Party that flopped.

Yuppies are...........Well, look in a mirror next time you eat quiche while yapping on your Cellphone! LOL!

Some Hippies began to follow Hindu religious beliefs and spoke of anti-materialism and spiritualism.

There was no one belief, or party or connecting thread. It was like calling most teenagers in the 60's and 70's "Generation X".

No, you are wrong. Hippies were against the Vietnam war. If you weren't against the war, you weren't a hippie. The rest of the stuff was a bit less important, but being against the war was DEFINITELY a belief and connecting thread. "Gen X" wasn't like the term "hippie", it was like the term "baby boomer". Doovinator 04:32, 16 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The word Hippy existed before Hippie. If you had fat hips, you were called a "hippy" person!

Regarding the first use of the word Hippie, if you go thru local New York City TV Station archives, you will see that in 1964, Anti War protests were conducted by youth with long hair and were called Hippies by Police and reporters. Befor 1964, all Hippies were refered to as Beatniks.

Supercool Dude 04:18, 15 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Goths are not Neo-Hippies

Looking different from the mainstream and having long-hair does not make one a hippie. The Gothic sensibilities trace there roots to the nineteenth century Romantics, particularly Lord Byron, Edgar Alan Poe,and Charles Baudelaire, including the latter's ideas concerning Dandyism. Romantics embrace individualism, sometimes at the expense of others, and rational hedonism in all matters, including materialism. Goths are more comfortable in elegant, extravagant surroundings reflecting aristocratic values rather than dropping out at Haight-Ashbury. Make no mistake, Goths and Hippies are natural enemies.-DLS

EDIT: Modern day teen school clique "Goths" have little to do with the historical Goths, whether it be with the writers/poets or Germanic tribes or any other historic reference. Though if ever questioned they won't hesitate to associate thimselves with one or another, despite the lack of almost any real connections. The group is more just a social trend/fad, with aesthetic similarities. few if any are actually devoted "philosophers" of the afformentioned ideologies.

Reply: Perhaps it is the other way around. So-called "kiddy-goths" in schools have little to do with Goth all together, both past and present. Their orgins trace back to Heavy Metal from the likes of Alice Cooper, Ozzy Osbourne, Marilyn Manson, ect. rather than the Gothic subculture which came into prominance in the 1980's. A direct link can indeed be made between the values expressed in the modern manifestation of Gothic idiom and its Romantic roots, whether or not the modern participants in the idiom are cognitively aware of it, though many are.-DLS

Are Punks Neo-Hippies?

Also, is punk a kind of neo-hippie movement? It would seem that anti-conformity, strong political concerns, rejection of military force and a spirit of rebellion are common to both movements. But is there any documented connection between the two movements?--David R Alexander 4:11, July 16 2005

EDIT: Like my goth comment/edit above, punk is really more just a social trend/fad. The "anti-conformity, strong political concerns, rejection of military force and a spirit of rebellion" stuff is really to make the average "punk"'s shallow exterior of Che Guevara T-Shirts, the no-longer-crazy-looking-because-every-other-punk-does-it hairstyle and jungle boots seem to have more of an actual "culture" they can lean back on if ever questioned of their so-called beliefs. Few of them are truly politically concerned though they'll wear plenty of anarchy/marxist/etc neo-liberal garb, and they are hardly "anti-conformity". I mean the fact that i can sterotype their basic look alredy show how conforming they are within their group. Perhaps this trend was some how set off by an extension of the hippy sub-culture, but it holds much less of an impact than the hippies.

Though, what i say of the goths/punks may also hold true for the hippies as well, just that the hippy "fad" was much more wide spread with a bigger effect.

I think the matter of difference is "tolerance": I find punk's more aggresive... Than Hippies, that is - Of course. They're more relaxed than punks, who tend to get more enemies, and don't care for the collective, but the individual.--OleMurder 00:36, 14 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Wow, talk about generalizations of punks! Some truth, but definitely some problems. I label myself as a punk, but I don't typically dress "punk" because it is so cliched and lame. Punks do tend to be more aggressive, but not always. Also, while most punks aren't deeply political, there is a punk underground that does take politics very seriously (this is what I am involved in). This underground punk community actually does have some hippie influence (crust punks especially).

Traditionally, punks actually rejected (often violently) the hippies for being too non-violent and sell-outs. Anyway, nowadays there is more of a mix between the groups (I wear tie-dye on occasion and listen to some folk music), but I wouldn't call punks neo-hippies by a long shot. The Ungovernable Force 03:47, 25 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Acceptance of homosexuality

Though hippies embodied a counterculture movement, early hippies were not particularly tolerant of homosexuality. Acceptance of homosexuality grew with the culture.

Is this true? If so, how did Allen Ginsberg become a leader of the hippie movement? David R Alexander 4:11, July 16 2005

Because, as the sentence said, acceptance of homosexuality grew with the culture -- and Ginsberg was by far the coolest homosexual peace-freak beatnik poet. --jpgordon ∇∆∇∆ 23:16, 22 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

yeah, but besides that, who exactly is that language refering to when they say "early hippies" and what really is the accuracy or so call "verifiability" of that statement? in otherwords it seems a clearcut eample of something that to my knowledge appears all over the place in the "hippie" and "gay" articles: unsupported generalization.

I agree, generally, with the statement in the article. Remember that, while hippies were in rebellion against the previous couple of generations, they still grew up in the 1950s & early '60s. Homosexuality, except in a few enclaves like the Village, was a mystery and therefore a threat to most young people. Likewise, as many hippie chicks will recall, most male hippies were also pretty unenlightened about feminism. All that eye-opening came later and most of us grew into it. -----Michael K. Smith 00:17, 12 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I'd sure like to see a citation or two in support of that assertion. *Where* were they "not particularly tolerant"?? Lower East Side? San Fran? *Who* ... "biker" hippies? Who can speak for and summarize the overall feelings and behavior of several hundred thousand people from a range of classes? In fact, since the great majority of homosexuals were still in the closet in those "early hippy" days -- apart from flamers -- how many "early hippies" would have known anyway? As I wandered and hitched around, went to festivals, walked the streets, I don't recall hearing a single anti-gay sentiment. Logically, you'd expect "hippies", whatever that connotes, to be neither more nor less tolerant than the population in general. Except that, since being "cool" and "mellow" and "the love generation" and "peaceful" were commonly shared values, you'd logically expect a somewhat greater "acceptance" (perhaps a better word than "tolerance"). That was my experience. I've seen a lot of misrepresentation of what those days were like in the colorful "histories" written so far, and I don't think this article needs to reflect that crap. Twang 08:51, 3 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Incense association

I have never heard of incense being strongly associated with hippies (at least not strongly enough for it to be characteristic). Maybe this should be removed?

Musta never set foot in or near a head shop, then! Incense, beads, peace man! (Trust me on this; incense is present wherever hippies can spend money.) --jpgordon ∇∆∇∆ 23:09, 22 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

What on Earth does this mean :)

"Since pre-1968 buses (Including those manufactured after 1968)"

I'm removing the dates, as they only serve to confuse.

Burners are not hippies :)

At least most of us do not consider ourselves to be. While Burning Man is a space in which the gift economy flourishes. Burners are not all hippies. Burners are cultural non - conformists. Rainbow Family people are Hippies.

Oh? I thought "rainbow family people" meant gay-couple's-with-child's ;)--OleMurder 00:36, 14 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I get the feeing you (OleMurder) know what he means due to your winking emoticon, but in case anyone else doesn't just check out Rainbow Family for more info on this JohnCub 16:51, 31 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

dionysian art students

i just added a legitimate expose and description of a resurgence or evolution of hippie culture in the neo-hippie section, and dammit somebody just deleted it. i think that person who deleted it wouldn't have a damn clue that what i was writing about is a real contemporary phenomena. my question is, why don't you just delete the whole neo-hippie section, because it is vandalism, by the definition that it's unverifiable information. ("unverifiable"=anything they don't want on this website!) what i think is that the information in the neo-hippie section is establishment information, and that the establishment information is nothing but shit. i've posted similar comments regarding the content of the "gay" article. it seems like you want your unbiased information that you leave to be of your goddamn bias! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.60.210.31 (talk • contribs) .

neohippie OR

The last three paragraphs of the "Neo-hippie" section seems like the very definition of OR. Whose observations and conclusions are these? --jpgordon ∇∆∇∆ 22:28, 15 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]