Talk:Humberto Leal Garcia

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I have concerns about the neutrality. Maybe because it is not much more than a stub, but it skimps over what he did, which was simply horrific. Don't have time to expand now, but might in a few hours when I come back home and Leal is executed (presumably).--King Bedford I ^{Seek his grace} 22:02, 7 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I think his crimes should be described, just not like they were here. ContinueWithCaution (talk) 00:11, 8 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

That level of detail was excessive, but we do need to know thoroughly what he did to earn his conviction and execution.--King Bedford I ^{Seek his grace} 03:03, 8 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure when it was last updated, but what the article shows as of 7/7/11 at 11:35pm(CT) seems like an acceptable description of the crime without being to graphic. It looks to be updated to describe it properly. --Loveless-- — Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.152.138.44 (talk) 04:36, 8 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I also have concerns about the neutrality. The article seems to assume that he was innocent, and that the court incorrectly found him guilty. My larger concern is that (as I understand) while he originally immigrated illegally as a child, he later gained US citizenship and was a dual citizen. The US government does not recognize dual citizenship...so in the eyes of the US legal system he was a US citizen. The right to consult the Mexican consulate would not apply to a "dual citizen" who isn't recognized as such by the US government...--160.133.1.228 (talk) 17:24, 8 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I have not seen anything anywhere about just what his immigration status in the U. S. was, certainly nothing to indicate that he had become a naturalized citizen. The big question that every article I have seen on this case fails to address is: at what point did he reveal that he was a citizen of Mexico and not the United States? He had lived here since the age of two, in all probability illegally, so where did he claim to have been born when arrested? It is not part of the state's job in a murder case to investigate the citizenship of the defendant, and if he had claimed to have been born in the U. S. the defense would certainly have claimed it was evidence of bias if the prosecution disputed this. Perhaps someone who really knows this case can clear this up.

I disagree that the article assumes he was innocent, but can you suggest changes that could be made to correct that impression? as for his citizenship, that's definitely relevant if it's true, but we'd need a source that says so (I don't see anything that indicates this) and that discusses the issue. Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 17:36, 8 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]