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This is an old revision of this page, as edited by Puregoldxxxx (talk | contribs) at 17:56, 3 September 2011 (Hello: new section). The present address (URL) is a permanent link to this revision, which may differ significantly from the current revision.

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Hello Moonriddengirl, I have prepared an drive yesterday to get the most images moved to the Wikimedia Commons. It is at Wikipedia:WikiProject Images and Media/Commons/Drive Sep 2011. It will start at 13 years ago or more precisely at 00:00, 1 September 2011 (UTC). There are some awards you may get. You may sign up now. We need lots of sysops too to delete the moved images. ~~Ebe123~~ talkContribs 17:27, 14 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. :) I'm not sure I'll have much time to help with this, but I'll try to pitch in a bit. I'm having enough trouble trying to help keep on top of the copyright issues at the moment. :D Hope it goes well, though! --Moonriddengirl (talk) 03:17, 15 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Related to the above, there will soon be (hopefully) many editors moving image to Commons. What should we do about OTRS-approved images on en.wiki? Should they be moved to Commons? Is there anything special we should know or do? Someone asked about this ten months ago, but didn't receive an answer; do you know? All the best, – Quadell (talk) 13:24, 16 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

If the license is compatible, it shouldn't matter whether OTRS permission came into OTRS through permissions-en or commons. The two queues have the same requirements for confirmation, although there is always some variance in how they're applied. :/ If I'm not mistaken, the permission templates for images are the same on projects, so the template should be copied over as well, I would think. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 14:28, 16 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, I'm planning to test this as soon as I can. Unfortunately the toolserver seems to be down at the moment, so I can't test until it comes back up. If there are problems, I'll let you know. All the best, – Quadell (talk) 15:06, 16 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I recently undid a large number of edits by a user as a copyvio. Do you mind revdel-ing them? Thanks! Singularity42 (talk) 14:22, 29 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

It came back. :/ Gone again, rev-deleted,contributor temporarily blocked. Might be worth keeping an eye on this one. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 12:24, 30 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Restore to re-write

Kindly restore all of this ( Dairat al Maarif, Pearls Industry of Hyderabad, List of riots in Hyderabad and Muhammad Hamidullah) to previous version so that i can note the references and re-write those articles as per standards of WP policy. regards--Omer123hussain (talk) 16:37, 29 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. I'm afraid I can't restore them because of the copyright problems in them, but you can still note the references and the text by viewing them through the "history".
If you go to the tabs along the top of any article, you will see the "history" option. Clicking on it will show you a list of every edit ever made to the article. Unless some of these have been "revision deleted" by an administrator (in which case there is a line striking through it), you can click on it to see how the article looked at that given point.
For example, with Dairat al Maarif, you would go to the second in the list--right before I blanked it--and click on the date. Doing that opens this window. If you then click "edit this page", you will be able to get the references from that version. It is very important, though, that you do not hit "save" when doing this, as that will restore the copyright problem to publication. (Sorry for the bold text, but that is really important. :)) You can select what you want, hit copy, and then paste it into the rewrite window (which in that case is this one).
Muhammad Hamidullah is the only article in that list which would operate differently. Because this is not the first, but the second time that content from that pdf has been placed in the article, it was not blanked. The article was just restored to an earlier version. If you want any of the references from that, I can get them for you, but you won't be able to access the versions in edit history. Just let me know. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 12:04, 30 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Yes please, so nice of you, please provide the references of all of this ( Dairat al Maarif, Pearls Industry of Hyderabad, List of riots in Hyderabad and Muhammad Hamidullah) articles so that i can re-write it again.

Thanks for guiding us to make the articles meet the WP std policy, regards--Omer123hussain (talk) 22:44, 30 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Declaration of Consent: Copy for your information and comment: I have sent this to permissions-commons@wikimedia.org

Hi Moonriddengirl

Thank you so much for your guidance. I have sent a Declaration of Consent to permissions-commons@wikimedia.org and hopefully this will assist with approval to republish the relevant images on my Wikipedia pages.

Please let me know if I have not done this correctly - my wife, Adele, who has written the pages (she is a journalist) has asked me to send the Declaration of Consent - and neither of us is particularly knowledgeable about the copyright process for Wikipedia, nor the correct copyright to use. However, we think that the general CC-by-sa-3.0 will be fine.

Adele and I like your Wiki name - we both believe that in order to be creative one needs a lot of time to gaze into the middle distance. Constant panic is not conducive to wise thinking or creativity....

Regards

Konstantin CalvinSays 06:17, 30 August 2011 (UTC) <redacted to avoid spam> Preceding unsigned comment added by CalvinSays (talkcontribs)

Thank you so much. I have replied to your e-mail, and we should be able to resolve this one without a lot of difficulty. :) And I appreciate the good word about the username. I value creativity. And calm. :D --Moonriddengirl (talk) 10:57, 30 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The Signpost: 29 August 2011

UPenn

Did you notice any other copyright problems in the article? My thoughts that it had some copyright infringement were lessened when I responded to you on the talk page. If you don't believe there are any more problems I will remove the tag and continue to fix any small issues as I find them. Ryan Vesey Review me! 21:51, 31 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. Sorry about that! I got caught up in other things, and it slipped my mind. :)
We do get a lot of plagiarism/copyright problems in school related articles, unfortunately. But as you indicate at the talk page, there are a lot of mirrors out there, too. :) I'll run the text through the plagiarism checker and see what comes up. I know quite a lot of our mirrors on sight, so I should be able to eliminate those fairly quickly. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 10:53, 2 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I thought I might have found something in the motto, in a 2008 letter to Salon from "don'tgetfooledagain", but we had it before they did. :) This also proved to be a backwards copy (it looked like it was, but I checked just to be sure). I found one sentence that I felt was too close to an official site (removed), but otherwise I didn't pick up anything. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 11:17, 2 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Hey there. I just noticed your deletion in Penn's article, the reason being that it "needs writing in original language." However, the text you deleted does not really rise up to any originality level in the first place, as it consists mainly of program titles:

"Penn is also the home to interdisciplinary institutions such as the Institute for Medicine and Engineering, the Joseph H. Lauder Institute for Management and International Studies, the Institute for Research in Cognitive Science, and the Executive Master's in Technology Management Program."

Except for the first 5-6 words it is hard to see how the rest of the text can be written in original language. I am hesitant to revert the article to its previous version, since you seem to have great experience with copyright issues, so maybe there is something I am missing here, but I strongly believe that the deleted sentence was fine. Thanks for reading this.129.67.97.231 (talk) 13:01, 2 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. The problem is not with the list, but with the introductory text which was taken verbatim (along with some of the list items, but not all) from UPenn's website. You're certainly welcome to restore the information, but please use different introductory language. It's a very small amount of text, but I am loathe to leave unoriginal content in an article which has been tagged as a copyright problem, purely for the sake of demonstrating due diligence. If ever challenged, I can say honestly that I took out every bit of copied content I found. :) --Moonriddengirl (talk) 13:08, 2 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Hey, thanks for the prompt reply. I'll change the wording per your suggestion. I understand your policy and I totally respect it, but my point was rather that "Penn is also the home to interdisciplinary institutions" does not even meet copyrightability standards due to lack of creativity and originality. In any case, thanks again for your very diligent work. Good day! 129.67.97.231 (talk) 13:32, 2 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I don't know about lack of creativity--a lot depends on how much there is and how much there was when it was first placed. I feel certain that any courts would find it de minimis if it ever even reached that point. But the thing is that I don't know if there is or was other content copied from the websites. I didn't find any, but that doesn't mean it isn't there. If I had encountered the line all on my own while reading the article, I would at most have altered it in situ and moved on. When it's tagged as a copyright problem, though, I am more inclined to err on the side of prudence. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 14:17, 2 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The Entry For Solid Modeling Solutions

There used to be a Wikipedia article for "Solid Modeling Solutions" (the link was http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solid_Modeling_Solutions ) but I see that it has been deleted.

I did not write the article, but I did work with many of the people mentioned in the piece, and was mentioned briefly there.

So, I am curious to know, what were the issues related to the deletion of the article?

PS - After posting the above inquiry, I saw the following, which does explain some of the issues with the article - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Copyright_problems/2011_January_23

Rdfuhr (talk) 13:02, 1 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. :) I'm afraid that was the problem in a nutshell. Copyright concerns were originally flagged here, but since the creator of the article was not notified I extended the listing to give him or her time to address the concerns. I'm afraid that neither he nor anyone else watching the article made any effort to rewrite the content or confirm permission for it, and since what was left wouldn't sustain an article, it really left no choice but to delete it. :/ Hopefully somebody will write a new one with original content. If you don't have a WP:COI, maybe you could? :D I'd be happy to pull up old categories, etc., for you if you do, although I'm afraid that wouldn't be too much help here. Not much formatting in that article. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 10:20, 2 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Rewriting the SciGirls article

Hi Moonriddengirl, I saw that you deleted the page for the PBS KIDS television program SciGirls back on December 9, 2010 due to CP reasons. I had stated rewriting the article and wanted to ask if you recalled any specific issues with the old version that (hopefully) I can avoid. I am trying to paraphrase and cite information accordingly, but would appreciate any advice you may have. I have yet to move the page, so it is currently located here: User:Pemling/SciGirls.

Thank you for your time! You do amazing work on a ton of articles; I hope I am able to make this one (my first, actually) meet up to you standards! Pemling (talk) 13:20, 1 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. :) Thanks for the kind words, and I'm happy to take a look. I've compared it to the official sources, and it looks perfectly fine to me. The problem with the last one was evidently that somebody involved with the show created the article using much of the same language as the official source, but although she indicated this connection she did not respond to requests to verify it. Since we can't use somebody else's text without permission and we couldn't prove that she was who she said she was (our registration process isn't built for that), we couldn't keep the text. (I'm randomly assigning a sex there. She could have just as easily been a he. :)) --Moonriddengirl (talk) 10:15, 2 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
By the way, when leaving my "talkback" notice, I saw that DASHBot had removed some images from the article. This shouldn't be a problem. It looks ready for mainspace to me, and as long as you move it in the next day or two all you need to do is put the image(s) back in. :) --Moonriddengirl (talk) 10:16, 2 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Awesome! It's good to know what the issue was; I suspected as much. Some of the show's official pages (PBS, Facebook, an old Blogger page) used a lot of nearly identical wording, though I'm certain copy protection isn't an issue when dealing with personal/corporate sites. Anyway, I really appreciate your help! I just transferred the page and restored the image (which should be okay to use if I understand Wikipedia policy correctly (Wikipedia:Logos)).
Thank you once again for helping my first article come together! Hopefully it will fair better than previous iterations have! :) --Pemling (talk) 13:06, 2 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Se Re Pak

I noticed at Se Ri Pak a remarkable overlap with this webpage, e.g. at "Pak also competed...". It looks as if some of it goes way back in the history, but it is not the result of a single edit, and there may even be some circular referencing going on via About.com. I wonder if you might unleash your copyvio superpowers to uncover the true tale? LeadSongDog come howl! 15:44, 2 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. I will certainly do my best. :) --Moonriddengirl (talk) 11:39, 3 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Looking good for a backwards copy. The oldest archive of that page is June 4th. While this can be a few months off, it's not usually more than that. I'm checking for context clues in the language, because while a good sign for us, that's not definitive, as the material could have been previously published under a different url or offline. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 11:44, 3 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, this is interesting. :/ I've picked the following paragraph in our article to trace:

Pak has also competed in a professional men's event, at the 2003 SBS Super Tournament on the Korean Tour. The Korean Tour is a feeder tour for the Asian Tour and does not offer world ranking points. She finished 10th in the event, becoming the first woman to make the cut in a professional men's tournament since Babe Zaharias did so in 1945.

This one is actually sourced to that website.
The website says:

Pak also competed in a men's professional event at the 2003 SBS Super Tournament on the Korean Tour. She finished 10th, becoming the first woman to make the cut in a professional men's event since Babe Didrickson Zaharias did so in 1945.

We had some of the content here before the citation. But some of it was added at the same time as the citation, in August 2010. (Proving why the wayback archive is not definitive--the website was obviously there in August 2010, even if the archive starts nearly a year after that.) Since he cited the website, there would seems to be little doubt that User:PM800 copied this content from it: "becoming the first woman to make the cut in a professional men's tournament since Babe Zaharias did so in 1945." This is especially likely because we can see that content from [1], which he also cited, is copied: "Pak won a 20-hole playoff for that victory, making that tournament - at 92 holes in length - the longest tournament ever in women's professional golf." That sentence is taken directly from the source. :/ (Not a good sign.) Still poking at this. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 11:59, 3 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I think there's little doubt that there is taking in both directions here. More than likely the World Golf Hall of Fame used the Wikipedia article as inspiration for their own text and then an editor came in and copied over a small amount of content from their website. (Unless the earlier Wikipedia article copied from another source, which they later also used.) She was inducted into the World Golf Hall of Fame in 2007 and would presumably not have entered their literature prior to that point. But the other content from that passage has been evolving in our article since it was created in 2004:

Like Sörenstam, Pak has also competed in a professional men's golf event, at the 2003 SBS Super Tournament on the Korean Tour. Unlike Sörenstam, however, she did make the cut and eventually finished 10th.

This evolved gradually and naturally into the form it was in when in August 2010 it was sources (probably circularly) to the WGHoF and the snippet of their text pasted in.
Meanwhile not all, but some of the content from that edit needs to be cleaned up a bit to comply with WP:Copy-paste. For now, I'll clumsily address it with quotation marks. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 12:18, 3 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Op-ed

Hi, well-timed indeed. I've been gnoming through some business, management, finance topics, and oh my, there's the smell of plagiarism in many places. Just a suggestion: your piece might be stronger on the way forward, pointing towards specific strategies to maintain WP's authority on the internet. Could I suggest a few points?

  • Working parties to target specific categories/topics periodically, in drives like the GOCE's.
  • The GOCE to be skilled up a little on plagiarism (I've long wanted the GOCE drives to target a narrower range of article each time, but they don't like the idea).
  • Tell-tale signs that investigation might pay off. I can think of a few: articles solely on single books; articles that lack many or any localised ref-tags, but give further reading items at the bottom; unevenness of tone; the use of lots of bullet points, buzzwords (not sure about that one); articles that have the sense of advertising or being written by someone close to the subject. Can you think of other signs? If so, please tell us.

From my work at DYK (Plagiarism Central) over the past few months, the issues are (1) off-line references (a hassle to check in the normal reviewing processes); and (2) the sheer number of references, even when they're online and checkable with the duplication detector, etc., so you end up with spot-checks only. Signpost readers need something to grip onto in terms of practical strategies. Tony (talk) 14:56, 3 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, and a little advice on just how long and distinctive a duplicated word string needs to be for it to be of concern would be helpful, too. Tony (talk) 14:58, 3 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Hi, Tony. Those are great ideas, but I do worry a bit about making the piece too long. (I'm afraid that I struggle with that at the best of times. :/) My main point in the op ed was to just motivate people to be conscious of the problems, not entirely to offer them a primer on addressing it. There's a link to Wikipedia:Cv101 at the bottom of the page. What about if we expanded that guide to include more information on recognizing copyright problems (your red flags are good ones) and practical strategies for addressing them? --Moonriddengirl (talk) 15:39, 3 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Your opinion piece

As you may have noticed, a couple of minutes ago I tweaked your Signpost article significantly, as I would do any other article on the wiki. Per protocol, I now invite your own reversions and/or discussions :) I must say that it did make for an informed and engaging read. As you probably also saw, I have scheduled it for Monday publication: please let me know if this does not suit. Regards, - Jarry1250 [Weasel? Discuss.] 17:02, 3 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Hello

Hello there,

My name is Marco, I'm the webmaster of Paul Polansky, an American author and poet (paulpolansky.net). I uploaded a couple of personal photos of Paul a couple of days ago on his wikipedia page and noticed today that it's been deleted. Also, reviews of his books have been deleted. Can you please help me out restore them? Please let me know what do I need to do because I spent a lot of time uploading the material. Many thanks in advance!

Puregoldxxxx (talk) 17:56, 3 September 2011 (UTC)Marco[reply]