Talk:Jake Zyrus/Archive 1

Genre

You have to be deaf to not hear that Charice sings a variety of genres, yet we need a "reliable" source to state so? It's quite obvious that Charice mainly sings pop, R&B and dance-pop, and anyone who can define music is able to say so. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Disney09 (talk • contribs) 23:10, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

She sings R&B songs her album Charice (album) includes R&B in it's genre, and it also includes Teenpop and electropop songs

and her single Pyramid (song) is a Pop, R&B song

Charice also sings ballads (everyone already knows that)

according to billboard.com

"The big-voiced singer calls to mind a younger version of Whitney Houston, Christina Aguilera and Celine Dion on soaring "BALLADS" about love and life, notably "In This Song" and "Note to God"."

and Rock 'cause her song "In Love So Deep" is a Rock song

"But the set's stylistic shifts--from teen-oriented pop to a touch of "ROCK" ("In Love So Deep")"

Source: http://www.billboard.com/new-releases/charice-charice-1004095697.story#/new-releases/charice-charice-1004095697.story

Her single Note to God is considered a Pop, CCM song

so R&B, Rock and CCM should be included in Genre. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ChasterUnit0 (talk • contribs) 03:32, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

She also released Charice (EP) which is Pop, Soul so we can include Soul in genre. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ChasterUnit0 (talk • contribs) 04:36, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

She also released Grown-Up Christmas List (EP) which is Christmas, Teen pop so Christmas should be included in genre — Preceding unsigned comment added by ChasterUnit0 (talk • contribs) 04:48, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

Ellen

Added external link to Charice Pempengco's singing performance on The Ellen Degeneres show on December 19, 2007. Also added Charice's photo.Aks2007 (talk) 07:11, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Pempengco has better photos. Maybe someone can find one where she looks more formal. Thanks.Doctorqui (talk) 07:16, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

Editing is better than deleting a whole article

This article was nominated for deletion. I think its better to edit it than delete it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 144.101.10.81 (talk) 19:43, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

WPPhilippines importance changed to LOW

Although I am a fan of Charice Pempengco, I don't think she is worthy (yet) of an entry in a 10,000-article Philippine Encyclopedia. She needs to release a solo album to make it MID. Starczamora (talk) 06:10, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Not MID although she can release an album. Low only. --Efe (talk) 07:52, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

Hey, no! I am from Germany and I was happy to find an article of Charice Pempengco with biographic information. Why delete? Is there any problem having another digital item where the the caption is "Charice Pempengco"? Please notice also, that her name already is mentioned in other wikipedia articles related to music topics. Feel free to fill the Wikipedia Philippines Encyclopedia with other more important articles also! However - I agree that too much special information is given. It can be shortened. The writers should give only information that is even interesting 10 years later. Sentences like: "She received her first standing ovation from the American Audience." should be part of a fan site but not of Wikipedia. That Andrea Bocelli would vote for her needs not exceeding more than half a sentence - not a full pargraph. --Fmeyer01 (talk) 02:21, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

TV Networks

myx is apparently owned by ABS-CBN (according to the WP entry under "myx"). So why did you remove the entry of ABS-CBN? Santoki (talk) 19:08, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

They're different channels. It's important to distinguish what channels they first aired; not all of the ABS-CBN produced programs were aired on their mother station of ABS-CBN. --Howard the Duck 06:57, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

well, the list I wrote contained the different channels as the second thing mentioned. I don't know why you want to change it now but if you'd like to have the same syntax for all entries to that list then please go ahead and change all other entries, too. I don't think it makes sense to have some entries with one syntax and then other ones with yet another one. Santoki (talk) 08:19, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

I also find it interesting that you were on the front for deletion of this article. What makes you want to edit now, all of a sudden? Santoki (talk) 08:20, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

The syntax wasn't applied consistently anyway (see reply on my talk page).

And since this article was saved better make sure it's edited in compliance to standards. I may resubmit this again (but after 1.5 years) for deletion if she fails the notability test by that time. The notability is flimsy at best (all of her "TV appearances" in the Philippines were on ABS-CBN and its stations and probably appeared on only one scene/production number, while her TV appearances outside the Philippines were sporadic, making me not "sold" on the overly popular image ABS-CBN projects). --Howard the Duck 08:31, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

I don't care about ABS-CBN or whatever "image" you're mentioning. I'm not from the Philippines. I personally believe that Ch. P. fulfills the notability for WP to have an article of her own. That's why I'm editing it. If you believe otherwise, well, then go ahead and resubmit. Meanwhile there are tons of other articles out there that need improvement, additional info, references etc. Santoki (talk) 08:47, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

Don't worry about the article for now, if she becomes really popular then I might reconsider; in fact after Christmas it seems ABS-CBN has cut down on her appearances and commercials. We'll see in the long run. --Howard the Duck 08:52, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

Well, I'm not worried. And time will show, that's correct. Santoki (talk) 08:54, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

Why is this article in the English Encyclopedia but not any of the native Philippine language encyclopedias? Charice Pempengco is a Filipina, right? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.234.217.82 (talk) 19:10, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

That is because there are more Filipino Wikipedians who prefer writing in English than in Tagalog (because "Written Tagalog" is not much taught in schools). Starczamora (talk) 19:16, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Cebuanos are more prolific writers, I think. The Cebuano wikipedia is a lot bigger than the Tagalog Wikipedia. Also, for your question, it seems that Charise isn't that as notable as ABS-CBN wants her to be, for now. --Howard the Duck 08:52, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

Hmm...is Charice Tagalog or Cebuano? And yes, that does explain why it's not on native Philippine encyclopedias.--69.234.191.141 (talk) 17:27, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

It's harder to write in Tagalog than in English and Charice is Tagalog.--BAF (talk) 17:27, 17 March 2009 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.125.119.108 (talk)

Peacock template

I added the peacock template because the use of words are overly-praising. Remember that Wikipedia is an factual encyclopedia, not a fan site. Thanks! Starczamora (talk) 01:49, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Tag removed. This article is very very short so it must have been better if you just removed those overly written passages. --Efe (talk) 07:55, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

Performances

Why does this article seem to include a paragraph about every performance Charice has done? This is an encyclopedia article, not a fansite or promotional site. Just a few important performances, at most, should be included. I tried reducing the performance listing, but User:Coolwhiz has been slowly putting then back across the last day. -- ArglebargleIV (talk) 15:57, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

I did a MAJOR EDIT - the grammar was horrible. And I agree that there were peacock terms. Also, the article has a record of ALL of Pempengco's international performances. I understand that the rags-to-riches sort of thing (well, more like "little singer to international performer") is a huge part of her story, but I'm not sure whether it is necessary to have a bulletin of her every performance in the article. This does happen to be an encyclopedia entry.

Btw, this article used to be OK in January / February 2008. I was watching it at the time. Now, people, if you want to do edits, that's fine-- as long as you don't get into some kind of manic fan episode and pelt the article with ungrammatical, decorative phrases like some laxative-drunk pigeon on a roll.Doctorqui (talk) 05:56, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Oh-- and I was wondering whether she should be referred to as "Charice" or "Pempengco." Using the surname of the person is the acceptable thing to do in formal writing; however, Pempengco is better known as "Charice" internationally. When I watched this article in late 2007 / early 2008, I wrote "Pempengco". Through the edits over the past months, there is more "Charice" than "Pempengco" at the moment, and I let "Charice" stay in my major edit. If there is an objection to this, please go ahead and change it to "Pempengco."Doctorqui (talk) 06:29, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

I think the subject should be referred to as "Pempengco" for now. Her new screen name (as simply Charice) is not yet prominent. Starczamora (talk) 15:21, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Charice is more prominent than her surname so all notations of "Pempengco" in the article should be changed.

BAF (talk) 11:21, 17 March 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.125.119.108 (talk)

Minutiae

I deleted "with Sam Concepcion winning the grand prize." It is unnecessary that Concepcion be mentioned in Pempengco's article. If Pempengco earned a runner-up to Elvis (which is impossible under the circumstances, but I am exaggerating for emphasis), then the feat and the winner are worth a piece of the article. Concepcion is a much lesser known person, obviously.

This Little Big Star story shouldn't be too in-depth; it is enough that it is mentioned.Doctorqui (talk) 05:15, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

People keep talking about her diminutive stature. How tall is she actually? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Skysong263 (talk • contribs) 03:19, 28 March 2011 (UTC)

Well Actually Charice is 4 feet 11 inches tall. (Comment added by begoodenblues)--68.45.198.69 (talk) 08:06, 22 August 2011 (UTC)

Surname

Her surname should be used in the article's text, not her stage name. As per Wikipedia:MOSBIO#Subsequent uses of names: For people well-known by one-word names, nicknames or pseudonyms, but who often also use their legal names professionally (i.e. musician/actors Beyoncé Knowles, André Benjamin, Jennifer Lopez; doctor/broadcaster Dr. Drew Pinsky), use the legal surname. --Jtalledo (talk) 02:19, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

I think a more appropriate comparison would be Madonna and Cher rather than Beyonce Knowles. In all her US appearances, she is now known as only "Charice". Ming warrior (talk) 14:05, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

So is Beyonce. --Jtalledo (talk) 22:13, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

Background

This link give some more background information

http://bolstablog.wordpress.com/2008/12/10/falsevoice/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.59.216.193 (talk) 17:06, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was not moved. –Juliancolton | ^Talk 01:48, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

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Charice Pempengco → Charice — per all 5 criteria of WP:COMMONNAME#Deciding an article name. Re: consistency, pls see List of one-word stage names. Lead states that she is better known (...best known by the mononym...) as "Charice" than "Charice Pempengco", and Charice is already a redirect to Charice Pempengco. --92.0.59.145 (talk) 20:02, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

Oppose. She still uses her surname professionally, if inconsistently, similar to Beyoncé Knowles. Pempegco's IMDb profile still lists her under her surname, her MySpace URI has her surname in it (http://www.myspace.com/charicepempengco), as does her official Warner Records site (http://www.charicepempengco.com) and her Official fan site has her surname plastered all over it. --Jtalledo (talk) 22:23, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. See also [1] & [2] - seems it's not the article name that needs to be changed, but rather the lead - "best known by the mononym Charise" to "best known as Charice Pempengco, or simply Charise" "best known by the mononym Charice" to "best known as Charice Pempengco, or simply Charice". The supporting <ref> (added in response to a {{Fact}} tag inserted yesterday) isn't appropriate. 92.6.202.203 (talk) 02:14, 17 October 2009 (UTC) (previously 92.0.59.145)

Since I wrote the above, the lead had been slightly revised again by another editor. I have now changed "best known by the mononym Charice" to "best known as Charice Pempengco, or simply Charise" "best known by the mononym Charice" to " best known as Charice Pempengco, or simply Charice", removed the <ref> (was to http://www.charicesings.com - page makes no statements relevant to this), and linked to this discussion from the edit summary. 92.6.202.203 (talk) 10:32, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

Oppose per Jtalledo. She is notably known here in the Philippines and many appearances in The Oprah Winfrey Show. She appearing notable concerts like David Foster and Josh Groban. My vote is Oppose and keeps her surname. ApprenticeFan ^{talk contribs} 01:22, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. I think the re-wording of the lead has now resolved the issue and agree that the article should not be moved. 92.6.202.203 (talk) 02:13, 19 October 2009 (UTC) (previously 92.0.59.145)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Charice on Glee

No casting news has been announced by Fox, the Inquirer article is going on speculation. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pamtelen (talk • contribs) 18:33, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

"Despite reports in the press and on the Internet, I want to officially confirm that Charice is not scheduled to appear on the US TV show ‘Glee’,” said Marc Johnston.

“These are just rumors," From http://showbizandstyle.inquirer.net/breakingnews/breakingnews/view/20100526-272197/Charice-on-Glee-just-rumors-says-US-manager

"I just want to let you all know, that it's not true that I'm going to be on Glee," From :http://showbizandstyle.inquirer.net/breakingnews/breakingnews/view/20100526-272177/Charice-tweets-

Im-not-joining-Glee —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.50.11.70 (talk) 13:36, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

Philanthropy

This section is a stretch. Philanthropia more accurately describes people who voluntarily make substantial contributions to advance human welfare (e.g. Bill Gates). In Charice's case, she attended many of these events for the purposes of promotion. We need to see sources that describe her involvement as philanthropic otherwise the section can be removed. Wikispan (talk) 11:40, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

I'm going to move ahead and remove this section if applicable sources are not forthcoming. Wikispan (talk) 00:12, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

Changing Name of Article to Simply "Charice"

She's now known simply as "Charice," without the last name. I mean, nobody introduces her as Charice Pempengco. What do people think?--Olduch (talk) 19:23, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

Disagree. Knowing her as "Charice" only isn't a good rationale to rename the article as requested.--JL 09 ^_q?c 19:44, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

I recommend that her entry be treated the same as Madonna's: Charice (born Charmaine Clarice Relucio Pempengco on May 10, 1992)RayMRein (talk) 03:59, 26 March 2011 (UTC)

When Charice guested on a "Thailand Idol" show (in... Well Thailand) she was introduced by the host of the show as "Charice Pempengco", she immediately corrected him by asking him to drop "Pempengco" and to introduce her only as "Charice". (comment by begoodenblues)--68.45.198.69 (talk) 08:06, 22 August 2011 (UTC)

First Asian artist in history to land in the Top 10 of the Billboard 200

Yoko Ono released the duet album Double Fantasy with John Lennon in 1980, peaking at #1 on the Billboard 200. Should "First Asian artist in history to land in the Top 10 of the Billboard 200" be clarified as "First solo Asian artist..."? Burnberrytree (talk) 14:21, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

Actually Yvonne Elliman's hit "If I can't have you" in 1977 reached number 1. Mamoahina (talk) 21:46, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

You're absolutely right. Also, are Filippinos asian? I believe they are Malay which is not asian. Asian would be Chinese, Japanese and Korean wouldn't it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 110.134.244.230 (talk) 07:34, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

It's FILIPINO dumbass, and the Philippines is in the continent of ASIA, therefore ASIANS. and who the hell uses MALAYS, it's an ethnicity not a race. LOL —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jinmac (talk • contribs) 17:52, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

She is not the first "asian" to land in the Top 10 of the Billboard 200. Yoko Ono, Jake E. Lee of Ozzy Osbourne, Kirk Hammett of Metallica, the list goes on. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 110.134.244.230 (talk) 11:43, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

I checked Billboard.com to verify if Double Fantasy by Yoko Ono and John Lennon reached Top 10 in Billboard 200. Billboard says "this album has never charted." (http://www.billboard.com/charts?tag=nav#/album/john-lennon-yoko-ono/double-fantasy/10397). The only source I could find about #1 position of Double Fantasy is Wikipedia itself. TheOneWithTheDeerOnIt (talk) 08:25, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

And she can't be the first Filipino either, since Enrique Iglesias has been on there before. You could rephrase it to say, perhaps, "the first artist from the Philippines." --Chris S. (talk) 04:39, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

Enrique Iglesias, though he is half-Filipino, does not look Filipino nor Asian, in the same way that Barrack Obama cannot be called a white American though he is half-white. Yes, it's absurd to think of Obama as white because he certainly does not look like one; well, Enrique does not look Filipino--or Asian--either. In other words, the implication that Enrique is the "Filipino" who has made it to the Billboard Top 10 simply because his mother holds Filipino citizenship is absurd. The more appropriate statement is Enrique is the "Spaniard" who has made it to the Billboard Top 10, in the same way that Obama is always called the first black president of the US, never the first half-white US president. In any case, the point of the statement is that Charice is the first Asian who holds the record; and by Asian, that means someone who looks Asian, not someone who looks European but whose mother holds citizenship from an Asian country.--TheOneWithTheDeerOnIt (talk) 15:04, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

Now you're being silly basing it on looks. So maybe had Enrique's sister Chabella had a hit, you'd be more accepting of her? Give me a break. You Americans are ridiculously obsessed with these stupid categories. Mamoahina (talk) 21:48, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

So you're only Asian if you "look Asian?" What does that mean? Asia spans from the Middle East to the Russian Far East and in between you have a plethora of colors - from the very dark Negritos to the Japanese and of course, everyone else in between. Using physical attributes in classifying someone's ethnic groups is a misleading concept shot down by many anthropologists. It just doesn't work.

On a personal level, I consider Philippine culture to be a huge part of who I am at saka marunong akong magTagalog. However, I do not "look Asian" thanks to being part white. So it would be ridiculous to use physical attributes as a criterion. So, Obama is as white as he is black and Enrique is as Spanish as he is Filipino. Is apl.de.ap not Filipino because he looks black despite him being born in the Philippines and able to speak Tagalog & Kapampangan? Let's not be silly here.

To be totally honestly, you could say that Charice is the first Philippine citizen, but that would depend on apl.de.ap's status. You would have to do a lot of digging to say she is the first Asian artist on the Billboard top 10, because I have my doubts about claim. --Chris S. (talk) 21:30, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

Sukiyaki (song) was #1 in 1963. 216.93.213.191 (talk) 21:48, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

Ok, I've found more Asians who made it into the Top 10 of the Billboard Top 200 before Charice did. They are cited with a link from Billboard's website. The edit has again been reverted. Before you revert, please look at the sources and keep in mind the various definitions of what an Asian is.

• apl.de.ap of Black Eyed Peas (Filipino!)
• Enrique Iglesias (Filipino)
• Norah Jones (Indian)
• Mike Shinoda & Joe Hahn of Linkin Park (Japanese & Korean)
• Carmit Bachar (Chinese & Indonesian)

--Chris S. (talk) 23:44, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

The list you provided shows your confusion over what the general population thinks of the term "Asian." When the term "Asian" is heard, does the general population think of someone like Norah Jones or Enrique Iglesias? Let's not be silly here. You might have your own definition of Asian due to your half-breed status, but if indeed you look white, anyone who sees you for the first time will not describe you as "Asian." That should show you that there is a generally accepted understanding of "Asian" which is definitely not looking like a European Caucasian or African-American. Again, to repeat, you are essentially saying that Barrack Obama should be called a white American because her mother is white. This is the same logic when you say that Enrique Iglesias should be called an "Asian" because her mother is Filipino/Asian. However, you do have a point of Mike Shinoda et al being Asian in the Billboard Top 200 album chart. Thus, Charice's distinction should be the "first solo Asian artist." By the way, thank you for spending time and effort to research your list. The whole world owes you. --TheOneWithTheDeerOnIt (talk) 09:20, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

What the general population thinks usually isn't scientific or correct, for that matter. As far as Filipinos are concerned, many argue that they aren't Asian at all. Think of the precedent you are setting.

Asian refers to ancestry. The people I cited, even if they do not look Asian (except for the people from Linkin Park because they are Asian enough for you!), are still Asian no matter how you try to twist it. There are many people in the Philippines who are in the same boat as Enrique Iglesias, and they are just as Asian as Charice is. Furthermore, what if a Negrito hypothetically makes it one day to the top 10? Are you going to deny them that too dahil hindi singkit o mukhang Intsik?

Reread the article on Asians I linked for you. It's a huge country with people of different looks. --Chris S. (talk) 13:58, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

This is getting ridiculous Chris. Charice is the first solo artist originating from the asian continent to land inside the top 10, all the artist and bands you link to are American. Lets have a look at the pesons you have provided links to:

Norah jones is born and raised in the United States and by all accounts an American artist, that her father is an Indian does not make her an Indian artist.

Enrique Iglesias was born in Madrid and the raised in Miami so he is by all accounts an American/Spanish artist.

Pussycat Dolls is an American R&B group, Carmit Bachar was born and raised in Los Angeles and is an american artist.

Linkin Park is an American rock band from California, all the bandmembers are born and rased in America and considered American artists.

The Black Eyed Peas is an American pop music group from Los Angeles. Apl.de.ap is an American artist, he just happens to be born outside is the USA, Charice released two records in her home country before releasing anything in the US.

I think all this is a problem of definition, IMO to be considerer an asian artist, you have to have started your career in Asia and then crossed over to the USA.

And who ever pointed to Yoko Ono, that was a record by John Lennon and Yoko Ono, not a solo effort by Yoko Ono an in the case of Charice. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.60.9.108 (talk) 20:31, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

Chris S. your statement was very confusing. You said : "And she can't be the first Filipino either, since Enrique Iglesias has been on there before. You could rephrase it to say, perhaps, "the first artist from the Philippines." That does not make sense at all. Are you saying that Enrique is Filipino based on the looks? That's plain silly. He may be 'half' Filipino but that's just his 'ethnic background'. Here in Wikipedia, they often list people based on their 'nationality'. Enrique was born in Spain hence his nationality is Spanish but he has Filipino ethnic background from his mother. Charice on the other hand CAN be classified as a 'Filipino' or in proper terms 'Filipina' because she was born in the Philippines to Filipino parents and resides there.Blueknightex (talk) 02:22, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

For God sake people, when they say the first Asian to reach number 8 in Billboard they mean the first foreign artist not holding American citizenship which happen to be from Asia. Charice is a citizen of the Philippines (an Asian country). She was not an American citizen when her single went to #8 in Billboard. She may become an American citizen later (who knows?), but until now she's a Filipino citizen. (Comment by begoodenblues) --68.45.198.69 (talk) 08:08, 22 August 2011 (UTC)

Catholicism categories

The Catholicism categories could use a source. It's mentioned nowhere in the article. -- AvatarMN (talk) 01:14, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

Occupations

Charice is also an actress and songwriter, because she has appeared in the "Glee" television series, and co-wrote the song "Replay", the second song on her self titled album. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Disney09 (talk • contribs) 18:57, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

We require reliably published secondary sources to describe her as an "actress" and so on. Wikispan (talk) 18:40, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

Articles about her appearance on "Glee" should be pretty easy to come by. 216.93.213.191 (talk) 21:11, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

That is not satisfactory. Two or three appearances in Glee is not enough to establish Charice, or anyone else, as a thespian. Please provide a secondary published source that describes Charice Pempengco as an "actress". Editors wishing to restore this material need to establish that she has experience or training. Please understand that many different public figures are unexpectedly offered television roles for which they have no prior training. Charice may have experience that I am not aware about. All I am asking for is a source that makes her profession explicitly clear. Wikispan (talk) 21:30, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

God, I hate editing Wikipedia. As if training is required to act, and there aren't a ton of actors who haven't had any. Where's the guideline that says someone's not an actor if they haven't been trained, Mr. Wikilaywer? What constitutes "training"? What constitutes "a profession" and where does it say that placement in an acting category means that it's their profession? Source your claims, sir. The answer is that it doesn't. It says she must be notable as an actor, and sources that make note of her acting on Glee suffice. -- AvatarMN (talk) 02:38, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

Obtain a dictionary and examine the word "Occupation". She is no more an actress than buying a drum kit at Christmas makes her a drummer. Guest star appearances are meaningless. How many different shows has Charice appeared in -- five, ten, twenty? Can you point to a high quality source independent of the subject, such as the New York Times, that describe her as an actress, or provide meaningful coverage to her credentials in this area? Some sources say "aspiring actress" which by definition means she is striving for advancement. When reliable sources all begin to describe her as an actress, so can we. Wikispan (talk) 10:59, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

Do you thing America's most successful country-pop artist, Taylor Swift, had much acting experience? However, you have no problem stating her as an actress. And how about the Canadian songstress, Celine Dion? She popped a minor appearance in about three television shows, and has one documentary, but does that make her an actress? However, she is also stated as "Singer, songwriter, actress". So, why can't we call Charice an actress? Care to explain? Disney09 (talk) 23:06, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

Occupation is defined by WordWeb as "The principal activity in your life that you do to earn money". Charice is a renowned singer. Innumerable reliable sources describe her as a "singer". Please respect Wikipedia core guidelines. Wikispan (talk) 15:26, 20 March 2011 (UTC)

Acting "is" one of the principal activities in Charice's life and she gets paid in doing it so it should be one of her occupations. She's part of the cast of Glee (TV series) and Alvin and the Chipmunks: The Squeakquel and even before that she has already done acting in a television show in the Philippines so she has already done acting both in television and in film and she got paid in doing it, and yes innumerable reliable sources describe her as a "singer" but she's also an actress it's not like we're replacing "singer" with "actress" as her occupation, we're only adding actress on her occupations as it should be. One of the creators of Glee, Ryan Murphy (writer) has already confirmed in his recent interview that Charice is going to appear in more episodes of Glee. Charice has also confirmed herself via her facebook account (I'm her friend in facebook by the way) that she had and still having acting lessons right now so she definitely has experience and has already been training in acting. Do we really need to provide a secondary published source that describes Charice Pempengco as an "actress"? I mean Glee is a popular TV show worldwide, the whole world already knows that Charice does acting, why is it so hard to put "actress" as one of her occupations in her Wikipedia page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ChasterUnit0 (talk • contribs) 17:13, 20 March 2011 (UTC)

Reliable secondary sources are necessary because of the very small number of appearances (a guest spot on Glee and a brief cameo in Alvin and the Chipmunks: The Squeakquel; where she sings). To describe her as an "actress" is WP:RECENTISM: "Recentism is writing or editing without a long-term, historical view, thereby inflating the importance of a topic that has received recent public attention". Wikispan (talk) 23:02, 20 March 2011 (UTC)

She has small number of appearances because acting is not the only thing she does she also have a career as a singer, she's both a singer and an actress but she's more focused in her singing career but still she is earning money as an actress so it should be "one" of her occupations. What do you mean it is Recentism? She's been doing acting for a long time already way back when she's still a local artist in the Philippines and that was years ago and she gets paid in doing it. She is still doing it right now (she is still filming for more episodes of Glee) and I'm sure if she will be offered new roles in television and in film in the future she would still accept more (who wouldn't?) as she's been doing it already for years. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ChasterUnit0 (talk • contribs) 01:29, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

You have polietly been asked to provide reliable sources. If you are unable or cannot do so, the information can be removed. Wikispan (talk) 08:06, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

She acted on Maalaala mo kaya TV series in 2008 - Source: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1285677/

She was part of the cast of Alvin and the Chipmunks: The Squeakquel in 2009 Source: http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/entertainment/03/27/09/charice-play-schoolgirl-chipmunks-2

She's also part of the cast of Glee as Sunshine Corazon in 2010 and she is still part of the cast in 2011 "Charice recently received her script for her next taping for Glee" - Büm D. Tenorio Jr. Source: http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?articleId=667768&publicationSubCategoryId=89

She's been acting since 2008 and still continues to act right now and so far she hasn't made any statement that she will stop acting so we could assume that if she will be given new roles in television or in film she would still accept it like she's been doing for the past few years. So acting is definitely "one" of her occupations aside from singing since it is clearly "ONE of the principal activities in her life" and she has "earned money and is still earning money" in doing it so her Occupations in her Wikipedia page should include "Actress". — Preceding unsigned comment added by ChasterUnit0 (talk • contribs) 03:35, 22 March 2011 (UTC)

That is original research. Guest appearances and television advertisements to one side, how many reliable sources can you find that actually describe Charice as an "actress"? It seems premature to call her an actress at this early point, so we go with what quality press sources say. Wikispan (talk) 14:39, 23 March 2011 (UTC)

Charice rose to popularity as a singer that's why it is not surprising that most of the time she is described as a "singer" but that doesn't mean that we should forget that she's also an actress. All the more reason why we should put "actress" as one of her occupations in her Wikipedia page because aside from her fans, Glee fans and those who have seen her act, not many people knew about her being an actress. Like I said we are not replacing "singer" with "actress" as her occupation, we are only going to add it. She has actually been described many times already as an "actress" both in television and in newspapers, you can also find so many articles in the internet that also describes Charice as an "actress", here are some of them:

http://articles.lancasteronline.com/local/4/321070

http://mikesgig.com/charice-free-concert/

http://article.wn.com/view/2011/02/18/Glee_Charice_reveals_her_celebrity_crush_VIDEO/

http://www.rightcelebrity.com/?p=10192 — Preceding unsigned comment added by ChasterUnit0 (talk • contribs) 02:53, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

For those who are looking for sources, I offer these:

• "All eyes on Charice debut in 'Glee' 2". ABS-CBN News. 2010-09-21. Since then, a lot has already changed in the life of the singer-actress, who is currently nominated as the "Teen Icon of Tomorrow" in teen magazine J-14.
• Rodis, Rodel (2010-07-22). "Global Networking : Charice's botox apocalypse". INQUIRER.net. "An 18-year old actress has just undergone Botox treatment to prepare for her role in the TV series Glee," she reported with a disconcerting look on her face.
• "PEP: David Foster wants Charice to be 'first true Asian world superstar'". GMANews.TV. 2010-10-22. The singer-actress mentioned last May that her birthday wish is to be nominated in the Grammy Awards.

--Bluemask (talk) 15:17, 23 March 2011 (UTC)

What a stupid argument by a bunch of n00b editors. If you have a SAG or AFTRA card then you are an actor. It's as simple as that. You might be a really crappy acter. But, under the law and their union rules you are an actor nontheless.

Fancruft

This article is beset by trivia (e.g. non notable appearances; inclusion of nonmeaningful awards). Non encyclopaedic material needs to go. Less is more. Wikispan (talk) 11:21, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

Residency

Someone, an IP editor has listed her in the List of Filipino Americans recently. This will be reverted as there is no cited reference from a reliable source stating that she now resides (permanently) in the United States, the minimal threshold to which she can be included as a Filipino American. To the best of my knowledge she is still a Citizen of the Philippines, and has not began the Naturalization process for any nation. If someone has any information regarding this, it would be greatly appreciated.--RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 08:55, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

If she works and lives there then she should be classed as an Ex-pat. She clearly doesn't have Citizenship so those cats were inappropriate. --Τασουλα (Shalom!) (talk) 16:20, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

Who the heck is the one that keeps on deleting articles like Charice's singles and directing them here?

This article I created called "Before It Explodes" which is based on one of Charice's singles is getting deleted or should I say "Blanked out" and then directed back here. Please stop that. That's against the rules. Blueknightex (talk) 08:05, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

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Barely Excaped???

In the first paragraph of this article it says, "After barely escaping her violent father, Charice was raised by her single mother..." WTF is this supposed to mean?? Barely escaped?! Like he was some ax killer who was chasing her and she 'barely escaped' before he chopped her head off? Come on, dude. This is written sooo lame. Also, I find it extremely funny that now the he is dead (murdered), she's all tears and 'boo-hoo for me I loved my daddy' and such. What BS!