User talk:Sergecross73

Video games articles

WP:GAMECRUFT - That's the term to remember.

RE: Accusation of Conflict of Interest

The same thing i have said to Ridernyc I said NO. I am a 17 years old student, living in Singapore, writing wikipedia articles about dota players from china/denmark/russia/ukraine/USA who are respected by the strong dota community. How does that have anything to do with conflict of interest. If you want more info, my exams just ended and i thought i could be doing this. AND FYI : THE THREAD WHERE THIS ALL STARTED Redefining history (talk) 01:55, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

(Sorry SergeCross for butting in!)

I fail to see how that thread is even remotely relevant to the current AfDs for notability issues on all of your creations. It has been established that "pro DotA players" were not notable, I believe it might be a good idea to just accept that and move on to do something productive. No offense, I know you mean well, but as explained at length and by numerous people, these people just don't have their place in an encyclopedia. I hope it doesn't deter you from contributing positively to other Wikipedia articles in the future. :) Salvidrim (talk) 02:11, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

No problem, butt in any time on my talk page. You just said pretty much the same thing I would have said anyways! ^_^ Sergecross73 msg me 13:02, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

Serge, this is being discussed at AN/I. Salvidrim (talk) 22:01, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

Thanks! I actually had already stumbled upon it and commented at it before you left this message. (I think I stumbled upon the discussion on somebody elses talk page...it might have been yours actually.) Sergecross73 msg me 13:27, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

... "Salavadrim". *facepalm* Salvidrim (talk) 22:22, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

Haha, no no, it's fine. I only saw it because I was aimlessly going about wikipedia pages the other day. I actually thought it was strange no one told me about it before I found it, since I had been around for so much of it. But yeah, thanks for the heads up anyways. Sergecross73 msg me 01:54, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

What's your idea

congratz on earning a barnstar.
ok, let's get to our point. I wanted to add a new section to Grace for Drowning about the music videos of albums. right now 3 videos released from the album and each one of them has their own meaning. i thought it's good to add a section for them and write about each video and their meanings. so funny that steven start walking and following these Mind Control things.
so what do you think? (Reza ^(Let'sTalk) 21:56, 2 November 2011 (UTC))

The visual aspect to his music does seem to be something important to SW's overall "experience" with his music, so it may be worthwile to include to some degree. Right now, there's nothing in the article about it at all, right? At the bare minimum, we could name the videos and briefly describe what going on in them. However, we wouldn't want to go into the video's "meanings" unless we've got some reliable sources from SW or someone describing it. If we just put our interpretations in there, it'd be original research. Sergecross73 msg me 12:43, 3 November 2011 (UTC)

Wikia

Do you go to the Wikia?~Tailsman67 of the Wikia~ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.163.17.131 (talk) 04:58, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

No, I don't. There's too much fan speculation and unverified information. Sergecross73 msg me 14:05, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

Wow your up tight. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.163.17.131 (talk) 21:28, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

I see no need for personal attacks! I am active on at least one Wikia (where I am admin and maintain, etc.), and SergeCross is correct that facts are unsourced. (In reference to gaming Wikias), most are made by and for gamers, more to help, aid and otherwise guide them than to provide neutral, verifiable information. I am not saying Wikias are "less" than Wikipedia is -- it's just a different system, with different goals. --Salvidrim! (t • c) 21:36, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

Wikia is Wikipedia little brother. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.163.17.131 (talk) 21:47, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

I'm not disagreeing. Also, please use "~~~~" (four tildes) to sign your posts on talk pages. --Salvidrim! (t • c) 21:51, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

Salvidrim, I have been dealing with this user for a while now. "Tailsman67", or he uses the above IP or User talk:98.71.62.59. He has no interest in following policies/suggestions or having a rational discussion it seems, so I tend to just do my best to clean up/revert the mess he leaves behind. I imagine eventually he'll tire himself out and stop, or do enough wrong to get blocked. Heck, if you look at his talk page and contributions from the "98..." IP address, you'd see he's probably done enough to be blocked as it is, if I bothered to report him... Sergecross73 msg me 14:20, 18 November 2011 (UTC)

You remind me a lot of Smash the Encidna,anyway it isn't my fault my Ip changes now and then. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.163.17.131 (talk) 14:54, 18 November 2011 (UTC)

I don't know who that is, and no one is blaming your for your changes in your IP. I was just showing Salvidrim that you other IP has a lot more warnings. (so far..) Sergecross73 msg me 15:00, 18 November 2011 (UTC)

Well look him up and I won't tire. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.163.17.131 (talk) 17:38, 18 November 2011 (UTC)

Look who up? "Won't tire" of what? I don't even know what you're talking about anymore. If you don't have anything coherent or important to say, please stop. Sergecross73 msg me 16:45, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

Also 74.163.25.111 is me to. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.163.17.131 (talk) 16:48, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

I know who you are, Tailsman. Your type of editing is painfully obvious to identify, regardless of the IP you're using at a given time. (Usually sloppy, riddled with typos, not on topic, complaining that you can't do something that goes against wikipedia policy, etc.) Sergecross73 msg me 16:57, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

How You Remind Me

You were right to remove the info, but I will note the UK Rock chart is based entirely on singles sales - songs can and often do stay on for years, and often reach No. 1 years after release, given the slump rock music is in. "Livin on a Prayer" and "Bring Me to Life" are two singles that have done this. Just wanted to inform you of that. :) Toa Nidhiki05 20:47, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

I appreciate the thought of the reminder, though I did realize that. I just meant that I knew that particular, decade old song wasn't currently on the charts. But it could hypothetically happen, yes. Perhaps it wasn't the best edit summary of mine, but I've grown impatient with the user I reverted (Joseph201), as he is constantly causing trouble with his editing... Sergecross73 msg me 20:58, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

I see... I don't like editors like that. The song actually is charting at the moment, at No. 11. Nowhere near number-one, but... :P

BTW, just reverted the guy for you. Toa Nidhiki05 21:02, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the revert. I saw you left him a comment on his talk page too, at the same time I did. Thanks for that too. Sergecross73 msg me 21:14, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

No prob. :) Toa Nidhiki05 21:51, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

RE:Attempted Clarification

You know a big Admin will never pay attention to a little Ip and I relies why you guy want me to get a user acocunt,so you guys can block me. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.163.17.131 (talk) 16:57, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

You realize IP's can be blocked too, right? You don't need an account to be blocked... Sergecross73 msg me 17:09, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

I know,but if I get a account I'm blocked forever. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.163.17.131 (talk) 17:12, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

They would do the same to your IPs. It's treated the same, you're not "beating the system" because you refuse to make an account... Sergecross73 msg me 17:14, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

Yes I am,if I restart my firefox seven times I get a new Ip,happened before. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.163.17.131 (talk) 17:31, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

I don't see what the big problem is with getting an account. You'll be blocked only if you act in a way that deserves a block, whether you use IPs or an account. If you don't want to be blocked, just follow policies, and nobody's gonna come after you! Unless you intend to keep using IPs because you intend to continue being disruptive, in which case I can only condemn that behaviour and suggest you find better outlets. I'm hoping the 3-day block makes you... "lose your motivation", so to speak. --Salvidrim! ^T·_C 03:32, 23 November 2011 (UTC)

That was actually quite similar to what I was going to say. Thank you, Salvidrim. Sergecross73 msg me 03:46, 23 November 2011 (UTC)

HA!That's funny. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.163.17.131 (talk) 00:33, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

May I enquire as to what is funny? --Salvidrim! ^T·_C 00:43, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

I'm sure he's inferring that he's not about to stop causing trouble of his own free will. But that's fine, he's gone and caused such a stink recently that there's a ton of other people besides me policing his misdeeds now, so that's fine. ^_^ Sergecross73 msg me 20:40, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

Well you can't say all my edits are wrong. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.163.17.131 (talk) 17:31, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

Never have I claimed that. --Salvidrim! ^T·_C 17:47, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

No one say that was the issue. My problem is that you continually and intentionally break wikipedia policies despite there being other outlets for what you want to do. If you want to start random discussions, go to Gamefaqs or some other messageboard. Want to write a ton without providing sources? Go to your beloved wikia. Have a random question? Go to Google. There's no reason for you to be doing any of these types of things on wikipedia. Sergecross73 msg me 17:50, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

Banned again, until 5-Dec... :| --Salvidrim! ^T·_C 18:09, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

I saw that too. (And I had just been mentioning above that people would be more likely to be watching his moves after the ruckus he caused before too...) Sergecross73 msg me 18:15, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

I got to go....so yeah.>_> — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.163.15.130 (talk) 15:31, 29 November 2011 (UTC)

Using an alternate IP while blocked is not allowed. --Salvidrim! ^T·_C 15:31, 29 November 2011 (UTC)

Reported at SPI. --Salvidrim! ^T·_C 15:39, 29 November 2011 (UTC)

Range-blocked. I hope the message gets through... at some point. :| --Salvidrim! ^T·_C 16:05, 29 November 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for doing that. Sergecross73 msg me 18:09, 29 November 2011 (UTC)

November 2011

Thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia. Before saving your changes to an article, please provide an edit summary, which you forgot to do before saving your recent edit to Mario Kart 7. Doing so helps everyone understand the intention of your edit (and prevents legitimate edits from being mistaken for vandalism). It is also helpful to users reading the edit history of the page. Thank you. With this edit, you reverted a good faith valid edit without providing any reason. Salvidrim! 13:49, 30 November 2011 (UTC)

Sorry, sometimes I get tired of repeating the same "Provide a source for this claim" But you are correct, the info was right to be removed, but an edit summary could have been used as well.

A pointer for you: Some experienced editors get irritated when you give "canned responses" (templates) like that to them. (Looking at my contributions, for example, it's pretty easy to gather that I'm well aware of how edit summaries work.) I don't mind much, but others may give you some heat for it... Sergecross73 msg me 13:54, 30 November 2011 (UTC)

*shrugs* Warning templates are the lazy man's warnings, and I'm certainly lazy! However, that edit in particular wasn't clearly revertable IMO, I was actually thinking whether to remove it or slap a {cn} on it -- the fact(s) was perhaps notable. But I'm just saying that, I haven't done any research into it, so you may very well be right and I may very well be stupid. ;) Salvidrim! 13:58, 30 November 2011 (UTC)

And as far as repetitive summaries are concerned, one of the automatic summaries in the dropdown is about "Removing unsourced content", that's what I commonly use. :) Salvidrim! 13:59, 30 November 2011 (UTC)

I didn't think a CN tag was worth it because they said it came from something called "Beano", which as far as I know, either not a reliable source anyways, or at least not an authority on video games. Futhermore, if we kept every entry like that, the development section would devolve into a laundry list of "...and then Nintendo power said there was a Mario course", On this date, Eurogamer said there's a Peach course. Also Gamespot said there's a Donkey Kong level" etc etc etc... Sergecross73 msg me 14:07, 30 November 2011 (UTC)

Of course, I was just speaking generally. You know. Okay. How about you forget I've said anything? ._. Salvidrim! 14:11, 30 November 2011 (UTC)

I'm sorry, perhaps I've come off as too harsh as well. Let's just forget this exchange happened. u_u Sergecross73 msg me 14:13, 30 November 2011 (UTC)

Flyingnarb

I think it is time to report them to an admin for edit warring. What do you think? Thegreyanomaly (talk) 01:02, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

I certainly would like to in theory, but I don't think he's quite done enough for an admin to take action yet. Technically, I don't think he's broken WP:3RR, and while he is being stubborn and unhelpful...I don't think he's gone over that edge yet. 2 things I think would be really good to do in the mean time though would be

1. Keep writing reminders of policies/guidelines he's breaking on his talk page, if he continues to break them.
2. Please join the discussion on the discussion page at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:The_Legend_of_Zelda:_Skyward_Sword#Reception_section_-_.22Universal_acclaim.22 I know you have an opinion on this, so it'd be great if you chimed in too. The more people who argue against him there, the less likely his edits are going to stick in the long run. Sergecross73 msg me 01:50, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

Message Response

Sergecross73 talk:Dommin Re: Dommin Thank you for the message:

• Updated the Capitalization Error
• Added reliable source/interview for genres
• Most sources were not removed, just arranged to read and flow better
• Citations were added where requested
• Only section removed were Influences. Thought better format would be historical and chronological i.e. The Black Keys

as to organize by Early Years followed by Album Releases — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kdommin (talk • contribs) 21:42, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

I thank you for addressing this. It looks like majority of the changes are justified now. One thing not resolved though: that source you presented, as far as I can tell, does not say anything at all about "Americana", or any other of those genres that you added. (Swing, new wave, etc.) Can you provide a different source? Or point to where in that interview that he mentions those genres? If not, it should probably be removed... Sergecross73 msg me 22:51, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

Thanks Sergecross73, I'll remove it for now until I find a more solid reference. Appreciate your help. I'm new at all this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kdommin (talk • contribs) 07:19, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

List of best-selling music artists

Hey, I just wanted to say that, to me, this may not be your intention, but you are coming off as rude to me. You do not have to act like I am a retard and that I do not know what I am doing when you say "Try reading the subsection titled ABBA". Again, that might not be your intention, but that is how it is appearing to me. You can talk nicely to me. I do not want to start an argument with you, I would actually like to come to some sort of agreement with you or become friends, but I do not appreciate your attitude (how it is appearing to me) towards me and I am not going to put up with it. Despite what you and other Wikipedians think, I do know what I am doing. --BLAguyMONKEY! (talk) 13:12, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

Dear BLAguyMONKEY. First, official data isn't preferred on Wikipedia, but third-party independent sources are. Second, a consensus (read this and this) was reached to remove the ABBA's hyper-inflated 370 million figure. @ Sergecross73 - Thanks for the revert as I was about to cross 3RR unintentionally. Scieberking (talk) 13:38, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

@Blaguy - I think you're reading into things some. You said you looked over the talk page and couldn't find anything about ABBA. I said look at the ABBA subsection. It's not my fault you didn't look very hard. Sorry for pointing you in the right direction?

@Scieberking - No problem, been in similar situations many times myself, so I try to do the same for others, especially when they have things like consensus on their side. Sergecross73 msg me 13:48, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

First of all, I never said it was "your fault" that I "didn't look very hard", what I said was "You do not have to act like I am a retard and that I do not know what I am doing when you say "Try reading the subsection titled ABBA". Again, that might not be your intention, but that is how it is appearing to me." If you are going to criticize me and make me look like the asshole, at least get my words right. And with you saying "Sorry for pointing you in the right direction?", you are being a smart-ass and, again, you are trying to make me look like the one with the problem. With your comments, you are only proving my point that you are being rude. I tried to talk to you about it in an appropriate way and you are still being rude to me. --BLAguyMONKEY! (talk) 13:57, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

@Scieberking Are you following me or something? --BLAguyMONKEY! (talk) 14:01, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

What in the world are you so worked up about? Just to recap:

• Blaguy: How are my edits against consensus? Please tell me. I looked at the talk page and saw nothing that I was going against.
• Serge: Try reading the subsection titled "ABBA" (Where there is a discussion, on the talk page you were looking for, in regards to this.)

I don't understand what's so upsetting about this exchange. I think you're losing sight of the real problem here... Sergecross73 msg me 14:17, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

If you have something to say to Scieberking, you'd be better off writing on his talk page. (However, to answer on his behalf, it's probably not so much that he's "following you" as much as its very easy to track where people are editing on wikipedia, and it's not uncommon for someone to respond on someone else's talk page if they're related to the issue at hand.) Sergecross73 msg me 14:20, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

Picture

[1] [2]

You think you can add both to the Sonic Gens page? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.71.49.191 (talk) 18:37, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

I don't really deal with images on wikipedia. Here's some image guidelines you can read up on if you want though: WP:IMAGE, WP:NFCC Sergecross73 msg me 18:47, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

Please Stop

I see you have reverted my Linkin Park albums sales in the US in the list of best selling music artists. Sir I'll ask you to stop! Why? The link brings you nowhere! If you want 29 million, then you have to find a link that works NOT a link that brings you nowhere! So that's why I took it off. Sure I had change the number before but I wanted to see how you guys react to this, so I took everything off. Please find a real source, I know your not ignorant, but if you want 29 million show me proof. msg me —Preceding undated comment added by Drecool1 on 00:42, 10 December 2011 (UTC).

Well, someone else already proved your wrong on your own talk page, so there's really not much to talk about here... Sergecross73 msg me 05:02, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

DC in Japan

Hi there. Just look at this: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Dreamcast&oldid=164047283

It is a old revision of the Dreamcast article from 2007. As you can see from the start, it clearly says there that it was finished in Japan in 2007. That's an extra proof.--Gaming&Computing (talk) 23:22, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

An old revision stating a piece of unsourced info is proof of absolutely nothing, except that some editor wrote this. Do you have a source to back the claim that the DC was discontinued in 2007 in Japan? Salvidrim! 00:33, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

Yes, it's as Salvidrim said, an old wikipedia page isn't a reliable source or "proof". This should probably be discussed here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Dreamcast#Discontinued_date - the discussion I started at the Dreamcast article. The confusion has to do with what we're talking about. All of the sources your provided in your edits referred to discontinuing software, or repairs. The infobox refers when the hardware was discontinued. None of your sources referred to hardware. (The system itself.) Sergecross73 msg me 04:29, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

Re Message

(Well usually when i type something up because im a nobody it get removed even though it is clearly true, their is no official regular stage in Sonic Generations from Sonic 3 okay,no like it is true their is a chemical plant from sonic 2.) -- Smokeyfire

Nothing is because "you're a nobody", it's because you're not following guidelines. Providing sources, staying away from original research, etc. Sergecross73 msg me 04:31, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

Okay I accept that, I was in a bad mood earlier today apologies--Smokeyfire (talk) 06:50, 11 December 2011 (UTC)Smokeyfire

Re:Ply

Thanks for your reply. But I need to tell you something: One, I am deeply offended about what you said about other wikis. Other wikis are just as reliable! You act as if Wikipedia is God, and the others are barbaric savages! Super Mario Wiki (www.mariowiki.com) checks sources just like Wikipedia! They even based their policies off of Wikipedia's! Two, people can't edit E3 2011's video and post it under that name. Please reply. 76.120.127.225 (talk) 21:10, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

I'm sorry to have offended you, but it's not just my personal standpoint that deems them as unreliable, but rather Wikipedia's official policy towards "user generated" content that deems them as "not reliable". Again, the problem is that there's no one checking over the information. Super Mario wiki has no editorial staff fact checking their information. Websites like IGN, do. And that's why IGN is considered reliable in the wikipedia sense. I could, in theory, go over to Super Mario wiki, make a claim that Mario is 200 years old, and then use it as a source here, when in fact, that would be very wrong. You can't do that to IGN articles. There's no sense of wikipedia superiority there; wikipedia articles can't be used as reliable sources either.

As for your other point, youtube is to be avoided because of WP:COPYVIO problems, where Youtube doesn't really have the rights to such videos, and thus shouldn't be used to sources. In cases like this, where it is in fact most likely real, it shouldn't be that hard to just find it's original source, or a reliable source, and use that instead. (Salvidrim found one very easily himself I believe.) Sergecross73 msg me 21:50, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

Mario Kart 7

What else can't I do such as the list of characters I put on there, as I don't want to do something baad without knowing. Please reply on my talk page. Thanks Matthew ^Talk 13:42, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

Most of the points in WP:GAMECRUFT are probably the biggest things to stay away from. Browse over that...and feel free to ask if you have any further questions on it. Sergecross73 msg me 13:49, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

Help.

Do you know how to make a poll? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.71.62.146 (talk) 18:34, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

No, I don't. Is this in reference to something in particular? Sergecross73 msg me 19:04, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

Editor confirmed in this diff that he was Tailsman67. Salvidrim! 19:56, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

I hadn't seen that edit in particular, but I was pretty sure it was him beforehand, due to his editing. (Notaforum violations, adding speculation to Sonic articles, writing style, etc.) Sergecross73 msg me 20:01, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

I'm not tailsman dude,we are friends but no. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.71.62.146 (talk) 20:07, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

Tailsman67 writing style is just to fool you guys. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.71.62.146 (talk) 20:08, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

Wow, it's amazing, there are so many people that act and post exactly like him, but aren't him! >_> Sergecross73 msg me 20:12, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

So what,sloppy writers want to be sloppy. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.71.62.146 (talk) 20:14, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

Alright, unless you start saying something of substance, this conversation is over. Sergecross73 msg me 20:16, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

Everybody does forms on talk pages,you didn't let me finish the writing,and I'm not my cousin. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.71.62.146 (talk) 20:17, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

No, they don't. If you think they do, you probably don't understand the policy then. Sergecross73 msg me 20:23, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

I have just left a very stern warning on the IP's talk page, raising the stakes a bit to let them know just how perilous their situation is. --McDoobAU93 20:30, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

Very much so appreciated. Sergecross73 msg me 20:32, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

You're welcome. I've added your talk page to my watchlist so I'll help keep an eye on things as a friendly talk-page stalker. --McDoobAU93 20:33, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. Salvidrim do the same thing to each other's talk pages as well. Sergecross73 msg me 20:41, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

Another one? ;) Salvidrim! 20:42, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

Time to let this IP burn itself out ... he's not being sincere in his "apologies" that he spread all over our various talk pages, and admittedly all we're doing is feeding him. He's on Level 4 warning, so if he does something else he'll get reported to AIV; let's let that be that. --McDoobAU93 01:57, 13 December 2011 (UTC)

I agree, sounds good. Sergecross73 msg me 02:01, 13 December 2011 (UTC)

I partially take that back ... take a look at this. Appears to be outing a sleeper account to me. Salvidrim already ID'ed it, but for this supposedly new IP to go directly to it ... I'm wondering if we have enough to go to SPI again. --McDoobAU93 02:04, 13 December 2011 (UTC)

There's also this, where he links to some 4 year old account that complains they they left due to wikpedia's rigid policies, which is exactly what he was randomly linking to here in his last IP, for what it's worth. Sergecross73 msg me 02:12, 13 December 2011 (UTC)

Well he's got enough rope, so to speak ... --McDoobAU93 02:24, 13 December 2011 (UTC)

Using multiple IPs, accounts, etc., especially when they do not edit concurrently, is not technically against the rules. But the moment one of them is banned, I have no doubt he'll go to the others, and THEN they can be banned, one by one, as he burns through his IPs, for ban evasion, through SPI. Salvidrim! 09:09, 13 December 2011 (UTC)

Actually it is. See this template, which I have just posted on the most recent IP (the one from yesterday). --McDoobAU93 18:50, 13 December 2011 (UTC)

Anton Singov AFD

You want to delete the Anton Singov article because of:

"Delete - Lack of reliable, third party sources. Notability not established. (Additionally, the article, minus the small intro, seems to be nothing more than a place to list off all these non-notable "medals" he's won...)".

"non-notable "medals" he's won".... you are totally screwy in the head. Many of these "non-notable "medals"" are worth thousands of dollars each. I love it how you even put "medals" in quotation marks, like as if to question whether they should even be called medals. They are medals and cups and large cheques won in televised events - televised on nationally viewable satellite on the German channel Giga. He's won over $100,000 in Quake.

Do you even realize that using "non-notable" there is a CIRCULAR ARGUMENT? He's not notable because the medals he won are non-notable. durrrrrr.....

"medals", "medals", you are a dummy. Anonywiki (talk) 22:18, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

You'd be wise to back off on the personal attacks. Keep your disagreement civil in the future, please. --McDoobAU93 22:22, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

Um, can you point me in the direction of this discussion? I don't even remember it... Sergecross73 msg me 22:49, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

Sorry to interupt, but: what's going on here? -017Bluefield (talk) 22:55, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

I was talk[ing] about the Anonwiki dude Serge.

Discussion in question was in this AfD. Salvidrim! 22:57, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

How come we didn't hear about this until now?:{ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.71.62.146 (talk) 23:08, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

Sergecross73...? Oh, yeah—the guy from the Xenoblade Chronicles article. Anyway, why is the Anton Singov article gonna get deleted? -017Bluefield (talk) 00:10, 13 December 2011 (UTC)

I don't know,you can't view a deleted page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.71.62.146 (talk) 00:55, 13 December 2011 (UTC)

Wow, so much chaos on my talk page. Thank you for finding the conversation, Salvidrim.

To summarize, that article was one of many articles deleted in a wave of like 10-20 of them a month or so ago. They were all non-notable electronic sports players. Because e-sports don't get much coverage in reliable sources virtually all of them were deleted at AFD. I didn't remember this one in particular right away because they all kind of blurred together. Anyways, between the lack of sources, and the fact that it seemed like little more than a place to promote all this persons triumphs and awards and whatnot, I !voted delete, as did others, and it was deleted by an admin.

As far as:

• Why this person is complaining now, a month and a half after the fact.
• Why did this person did not participate.
• Why this person is so worked up on my comments when others said very similar things, and an Admin is the one who actually deleted it.

I have no clue... Sergecross73 msg me 01:11, 13 December 2011 (UTC)

Some people just never think of these things. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.71.62.146 (talk) 02:49, 13 December 2011 (UTC)

Eh, well...what can you do? :/ -017Bluefield (talk) 09:16, 13 December 2011 (UTC)

Re:Ply

About what you said: If you, theoretically, made an account on Super Mario Wiki and said Mario is 200 years old, you would get a Warning and your edit would be reverted. Also, what are we going to do about this issue? It is real E3 footage, but any videos of it are on YouTube! 76.120.127.225 (talk) 08:01, 13 December 2011 (UTC)

That is utterly incorrect; Either you're arguing in bad faith or completely inapt with Google. Here's a few links to the video from mostly reliable sources: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5. A few of those also have editorial commentary about the video. Salvidrim! 09:06, 13 December 2011 (UTC)

Wait a hellish—did you just say 200 years old? -017Bluefield (talk) 09:21, 13 December 2011 (UTC)

Please try to make sense, or stay away from discussions in which you have no intention of contributing contructively. Salvidrim! 09:29, 13 December 2011 (UTC)

Player17, For what it's worth, my argument for why other wiki's aren't considered reliable sources, is because anyone can make changes, without editorial oversight or fact checking. My specific example was that someone could claim something outlandish, like that Mario was 200 years old, and then cite it as a source. It was just a random example.

76.120.127.225 - It's as Salvidrim says, the video is posted in any number of other areas. That's typically the case when you're dealing with something as mainstream as Mario. Sergecross73 msg me 13:26, 13 December 2011 (UTC)

Thanks

Matthew ^Talk 14:53, 13 December 2011 (UTC)

Universal Acclaim RfC

According to the rules of RfC, all editors are welcome to add their viewpoint. So yes you're certainly allowed to comment. I think I'll stay out of it for a little while, though, until Flyingnarb has a chance to respond. The RfC process is intended to develop consensus and I don't want to excite Flyingnarb unduly. Sadly I'm not very confident that he'll change his position regardless of my holding back but this is nothing more than a time setback. Once the RfC expires (30 days) or once it reaches an impasse then we can find an uninvolved editor in good standing to determine if a consensus has been reached, and the determination for consensus has to do with argument based on Wikipolicy so I think a good solution will be achieved. I've written a note to the NPOV noticeboard as well to see if I can get more people in on the commenting. Cheers, -Thibbs (talk) 00:15, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

Out of sheer curiosity, mind linking the RfC? I have no involvement and don't plan on getting involved, I just want to read. Salvidrim! 00:19, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

Hah. Sure. :) -Thibbs (talk) 00:56, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

@Salvidrim - It's right here. Feel free to join in if you change your mind.

@Thibbs - Thanks. Wasn't sure on the expectations, I've been part of RfC's before, but only as a random passerby, not an "involved party" like this. I think I'll give my 2 cents, and then be done, no more arguing with Flyingnarb. Sergecross73 msg me 00:59, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

Well well, whaddya know, I've actually contributed to the pre-RfC discussion! However I don't feel strongly at all one way or the other about the argument itself (my comments pertaining more to the attitude of one party), thus I will not take part in the RfC. :) Salvidrim! 01:03, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

Sonic 06

Thanks for sending me the info! I will try to fix up as much as I can. Some stuff was mere typos such as the Sonic Free Riders thing (I meant to put "solely" on it). As for the resources, I will try to find as much as I can. But for the stuff I know, I will keep. Please stop undoing my work until I am finished. Thanks! -Mumbai0618 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mumbai0618 (talk • contribs) 02:59, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

It's not a matter of "letting you finish", there are fundamental issues with virtually all of the information you're trying to add to Sonic the Hedgehog (2006 video game), as I've written on your talk page and my edit summaries. Please read WP:VERIFY - it's not a matter of the stuff "you know", you need to provide sources for this information when you add it, not sometime later. And this isn't addressing the fundamental errors in your information either. (Your Sonic Free Riders trivia isn't true in any respect, due to the existence of Sonic Generations being on for PS3 and 360, for instance.) Please stop this. Sergecross73 msg me 03:08, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

RE:Do not attack editors

Sorry, I just hate vandalism. 184.44.129.253 34:25, 19 December 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.44.129.253 (talk)

Don't tell anybody,but If someone gives you an IP with no cost,no request,and with no gain what so ever. Would you take it,cause this guy gave me this facebook dude gave me an IP(My last IP here was 209.240.205.63).184.44.129.25319 December 2011

What in the world are you talking about? Sergecross73 msg me 19:25, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

This guy who gave me an IP,I have this program that I can write an IP,I can get it.Sign by the other guy~

PS:How do you sign!? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.44.129.253 (talk) 19:28, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

Type four tildes (~~~~). As explained at WP:SIGN. Salvidrim! 19:34, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

Also had an Ip of 130.94.122.xxx.

Like,OH MY GOD THANKS.184.44.129.253 (talk) 19:36, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Anti-Vandalism Barnstar
	For you work in dealing with vandals in articles and on user pages, I award you this much-deserved token of my appreciation. McDoobAU93 17:13, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, I don't get many of these. I guess I don't associate with people who give them out or something... Sergecross73 msg me 17:45, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

Pft. I never think about that. :p Salvidrim! 17:48, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

Well, rest assured, when I give them out, they've been earned. Between dealing with our Sonic vandal or anons who get mad when we spoil their jokes (by cleaning up after them), you've done a lot to improve the project, and deserved to be recognized for it. --McDoobAU93 17:49, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

@McDoob - Thank you very much!

@Salvidrim - Haha, that wasn't directed at your or anything. I've just been here for 3 years, and I've gotten 3 I think. (And one, I investigated, and it was literally from a random user who was handing them out to editors completely at random for no particular reason. >_> Sergecross73 msg me 17:58, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

If you want to keep them (and you certainly should, since they are earned), move them to your actual user page. That's what I've done with mine, and it's what's recommended overall I believe. --McDoobAU93 18:08, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

I archived my Talk page yesterday, and moved the barnstars to a subpage... dunno, feels like too "big" or clunky for my Userpage, which is more text-based. Salvidrim! 18:10, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

There is a way to have smaller barnstar icons in the top-right corner of your userpage, but I don't know how it works or how to code it into your page. --McDoobAU93 18:15, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

I'll probably put it at the bottom of User Page. (If I make it a subpage, I wonder if anyone would bother to go to it to look at them...) Sergecross73 msg me 18:20, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

I didn't make a subpage to "show it off" or for anyone to bother looking at it, I just want to keep them and not "lose" them in the archives. Salvidrim! 18:32, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

I can't stress enough that none of this is an attack on you or how you do things! ^_^ - Quite the opposite, I quite enjoy working with you, (and McDoob) and how you do things. Sergecross73 msg me 18:43, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

No, no, hey, I know that. I'm not trying to defend myself, sorry if it seemed that way. :p Salvidrim! 18:51, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

I thought so, but just wanted to make sure. (So many wikipedia discussions are when problems/arguments arise, leading to people getting defensive, so it's hard to tell sometimes!) Sergecross73 msg me 19:13, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

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Well, no, that was on purpose, that disambiguation page listed all three games, and all three games applied, so I figured readers could take their pick as far as which one they wanted to read up on. (And yes, I know this is a bot. Just clarifying for the watchlist stalkers and random passerbys...) Sergecross73 msg me 13:38, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

Meh, I delete DPL & the occasional Sinebot messages once I've fixed them. :p Salvidrim! 16:46, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

EVO 2

Hi. I need to talk about the generation of the EVO 2. Every console out there should be in a generation obviously, so we can't leave it there and say 'generation unknown'. Here are reasons why it is in the 8th gen.:

• It will come next year: the same time as the Wii U will
• 2012 is one year after the Nintendo 3DS (which is 8th gen.)
• Its predecessor, EVO Smart Console, is in the 7th gen., so now, the successor, is of course 8th

This clearly shows, it's an 8th gen console! And oh, we can't just leave the generation blank can we? Every system has an era...

Reply on my talk please --Gaming&Computing (talk) 15:52, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

It's simple. Provide a reliable source calling it 8th gen. Otherwise, it should not be listed as such. It has been challenged, and so it is your burden to provide a source. Thanks. Sergecross73 msg me 15:56, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

But think about the year of release. 2012, a year after 3DS, same time as PSVita and Wii U. Clearly it must be 8th gen.

This is like saying: PS4 is coming out in 2014, but due to no generation source, it will not be in the 8th. It sounds stupid right? The EVO 2 is the same. --Gaming&Computing (talk) 16:03, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

reply on talk — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gaming&Computing (talk • contribs) 16:06, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

Have you noticed that the PS4 has no article, and has no mentioning on the 8th gen article. You just proved my very point. Look, if it's as obvious as you keep on saying, then you should have no problem providing a source... Sergecross73 msg me 16:10, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

lol. It was an example, not real! That's why I said this is like saying.--Gaming&Computing (talk) 16:14, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

I don't understand. What was the point of providing an irrelevant example then? Sergecross73 msg me 16:16, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

To show an example. By the way, please answer this question: when PS4 has been revealed etc., but there is no source claiming it to be part of any gen, what are you going to do?--Gaming&Computing (talk) 16:19, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

Not add it until there's a source. Please read WP:VERIFY. Chances are though, it wouldn't take hardly any time to find such a source, as Sony and the Playstation Brand is much more widely accepted and viewed as a video game system in part of the generations, and thus, such a source would pop up relatively quickly. Sergecross73 msg me 16:21, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

Ok then. Let's stop talking about the gen then.--Gaming&Computing (talk) 16:23, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

I found a source! http://christiangamersunited-gt.webs.com/apps/blog/show/10458983-the-obscure-entries-of-the-8th-generation-of-gaming

It is reliable to show EVO 2 is 8th gen?--Gaming&Computing (talk) 16:25, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

(talk page stalker)I looked at the source, and it appears to be a self-published blog, which generally isn't considered a reliable source for our purposes. --McDoobAU93 16:30, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

Consensus was reached months ago, in this discussion. Just WP:DROPIT and move on. Salvidrim! 17:01, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

It's as McDoob and Salvidrim have said, that's not a reliable source, and there's consensus in that discussion that it really shouldn't be included. consensus can change, but as of right now, it shouldn't be considered 8th gen... (Thanks for that link, Salvidrim, I thought I remembered it, but didn't remember where we had it...) Sergecross73 msg me 20:10, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

To be honest, I do believe that any logical analysis can only lead to believe EVO 2 is indeed 8th Gen, but of course, it needs to be verifiable, not true. Salvidrim! 20:18, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

Conversely, I disagree with it conceptually. I don't think we need to list off every little thing that plays video games as part of the "generation". The 7th gen article got pretty out of control when someone (I believe the same user) tried to list off every single Chinese knockoff, cell phone, etc that could play a video game. (It's been cleaned up since.) But regardless, right now there's neither the sources, or the consensus, needed. Sergecross73 msg me 20:25, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

Img

Anyway, I just uploaded File:EVO 2 on official site.png You can see the templates for a proposed deletion. I need someone's help to determine the image is non-free (because it should be) --Gaming&Computing (talk) 16:23, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

Sorry, I know wikipedia pretty well, but I'm not so knowledgable from the image stuff - I tend to stay away from it. The best I can do is offer up these links as resources: WP:IMAGE, WP:NFCC -- Sergecross73 msg me 20:12, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

Here's an award...

	SineBot Replacement
	For fixing a bad signature I made. ;) Salvidrim! 18:52, 23 December 2011 (UTC)

Haha, that sinebot picture cracks me up. Thanks! Sergecross73 msg me 19:03, 23 December 2011 (UTC)

Wishes

File:Wikisanta-no motto.png

Sergecross73, I wish you a a Merry Christmas, Happy New Year, and all the usual holiday wishes. Good food, good health and good times. :) Salvidrim! 05:39, 25 December 2011 (UTC)

Thank you, Salvidrim! I'm pretty short on time, so I have to make it quick, but I know you'll see this on your watchlist. Thanks for all the wishes above, I return the same sentiments to you, and I enjoy working with you on wikipedia! Sergecross73 msg me 13:08, 25 December 2011 (UTC)

File:Wikisanta-no motto.png

Sergecross73, I wish you a a Merry Christmas, Happy New Year, and all the usual holiday wishes. Good food, good health and good times. :) 184.44.129.253 (talk) 19:34, 26 December 2011 (UTC)