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Move discussion in progress

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Move discussion in progress

There is a move discussion in progress which affects this page. Please participate at Talk:Megatron (Transformers) - Requested move and not in this talk page section. Thank you. —RM bot 17:45, 13 October 2011 (UTC) Megatron is gay — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.207.116.148 (talk) 02:28, 1 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Copy Edit

To whomever! Just an FYI, as part of the current Copy Editors Guild drive to clean up articles listed for copyediting, I've chosen to attempt a clean-up of this article. It's quite large, and it's going to take me a day or two to get through it I think. I will be first correcting format errors, and then moving on to content by section if I can break it down that way (sometimes I correct little things I see as I go along too!). If I do anything objectionable, please feel free to revert my edits, I won't be offended, really! I am familiar with the Transformers, but do not have any specific interest in the article, this is just a courtesy notice because I suspect this could be one of those articles that gets a lot of contention between different editors with different POV's. If I see something that needs more info, I will likely stick a template there rather than delete it, like this [citation needed]. I hope my efforts will help make a better article for those involved editors here. If you're really upset by my changes, feel free to flame my talk page too! I will be starting later today. --Despayre (talk) 17:09, 2 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

First pass: Basic formatting code changes only (plus in-use banner)

(lead):
- Removed "primary antagonist" Doesn't really tell us much, and is pretty much covered by "Supreme leader", also allows for sub-plots in the series where he wasn't the primary antagonist
- Removed "supreme leader" wikilink, self-explanitory, and per WP:Overlink
- changed from "evil" to villainous
- Added Cybertron wikilink
- Added some detail so that the lead isn't a little dinky sentence in front of a large article... It probably wouldn't hurt to make it a short paragraph even, if kept on point
(Design/Name section):
Changed "Design" to "Name" since there is no reference to the design here
Added a time modifier, they didn't "see" anything, they decided it later
(Abilities section)
- Added "simulated", he didn't turn into a real P38, he shot energy blasts out of it
- More focused than what? added
- Cleaned up prose on mass and size shrinking and wielding
- removed "on at least one occasion (The Autobot Run) ", could be cited if necessary
- removed ".(More Than Meets The Eye, Part 2), cite if necessary
- removed "According to his "tech spec", Megatron has no known weaknesses. This does not, however, spare him from defeat at the hands of his enemies" Will try and work that into the toys section somehow, but it contradicts himself, and the article it points to talks about how the values skew a lot anyway
- removed "He also wields an energon morning star on rare occasions", I think this is the previously mentioned energon flail (minor differences between a flail and a morning star, at least for the purposes of this article)
(Marvel Comics section):
- removed Optimus reference, in the UK comic going back to Cybertron, since it's not referenced again, and this isn't about Prime.
- removed " with Blaster" referring to the battle with Straxus, they can read about that in the Straxus article, this is about Megatron
- Several small of prose editing bits
- I think this needs fixing still:
"For example, after the first disappearance of Ratchet and Megatron, a disparate continuity of storylines based around the "Earthforce"—a team of Autobots based on Earth—began, which saw Megatron and Shockwave establishing a joint leadership of the Decepticons only to have command usurped by Starscream and Soundwave"
this is an awkward sentence that tries to say a lot, but I haven't come up with a better way of saying that yet.

(:Animated Series Section)

- Cleaned up lots of prose, deleted some extraneous detail, and removed links as per WP:Overlink
--Despayre (talk) 02:41, 3 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Copyedit problem

After spending several hours on this article, and not getting very far, I've come to the conclusion that there's just no rational way to put all this information into a cohesive, coherent article yet. As an example of what I'm saying, this article is over 11,000 words long, yet, the WP article on WW II is just barely over 10,000 words. I would think that a fictional cartoon character could be summed up in fewer words than one of the most pivotal global events of the 20th century. I'm not stuck on word count by any means, it's just an easy example to make. I don't want to come in here and do a slash and burn on your article, I don't think that's helpful to anyone. But maybe there's a better way to organize all that content? All the books should be in *1* books section, for example. Also, could you cut back on mentioning large portions of the storylines? Are the general story arcs not already covered in the autobot or decepticon articles? As well as the episodes that we directly link to here? If requested, I would be happy to come back and try to copyedit this article again in the future, but it just seems a little bit too unweildy right now (even the info boxes have too much info in them imo). Sorry I couldn't be more help. --Despayre (talk) 08:30, 4 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed split

This article is rather long and unwieldy. Given that each version of Megatron is a unique character with various origins and goals, I suggest splitting the article. My initial suggestion is by (comics), (cartoons), and (toys), but there's enough material to support articles as specific as (G1), (G2), (Armada), and so on, if other users agree. A template could be created to navigate between the various Megatrons. Argento Surfer (talk) 14:30, 3 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I think your initial suggestion makes a lot of sense, at the very least, it's somewhere to start. --Despayre (talk) 16:04, 3 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I think that sounds like a very good idea. This article is very long. Much too long to be considered a "good article". Jdaniels15 (talk) 11:43, 5 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

That's be very nice. But in my opinion, it'd probably be better to keep all versions of Megatron on the same page, but to heavily condense the article with more focus on real-world relevance and less focus on fancruft, similar to pages on other fictional characters. I know for Transformers characters it's kind of hard because the different incarnations of each character seem like completely separate and unrelated characters at times, but I'm sure it can be done. Eh! Steve (talk) 03:15, 10 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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