Talk:1994 FIFA World Cup

East Rutherford

I changed the knockout bracket to list East Rutherford and not New Jersey, seeing as the town/city location is given for all of the other matches. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Official Fake Sheep (talk • contribs) 16:33, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

Congratulations!

This page is impressively put together. I was looking for some details on the final game between Brazil and Italy--and here it was all put together in perfect form. Thank you, and congratulations! ---Rednblu | Talk 03:46, 30 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Move

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This edition was a success by FIFA authorities in a country where the Football is a sport with a little fans, but in inmigrant people who work and live in United States especially Latin the sport has support. For this circunstance and to move to the American white people and for wake interest and passion to soccer ( also know it to football ) the event choose like slogan "Making Football History"

Comment : Badly phrased. Too complex even to rewrite. Tintin

Requested move

Football World Cup 1994 → 1994 FIFA World Cup – following the consensus of naming the World Cup articles as FIFA World Cup in Wikipedia, and consistency of naming the major international football tournaments.

Discuss here: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football/Competitions#Requested move of Football World Cup articles. --Pkchan 10:36, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

Points per Match - 3 or 2 ??

Hello,

I couldn't overlook the fact that this article claims that the 1994 world cup was the first world cup to incorporate the 3 point system per win. Actually, the fact is that the 1994 world cup still used the 2 point system per victory, the article still holds this critical mistake and should be changed as soon as possible. In the 1994 World Cup itwas feared that a team with three draws could equal the number of points by a team with one victory and one draw. The three point rule was created in 1994 immediately after the world cup and was therefore not applied at this tournament. This section of the article needs to change. Thanks, Kiske 21:31, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

The calculated points are different on this page to Yahoo's (official?) site:

FIFA 1994 results according to 'official' Yahoo site

Any idea which is right? Artbristol 14:04, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

The 1994 World Cup was the first to use 3 points for a win - it was after the overly defensive 1990 World Cup that the 3 points for a win was first introduced. 88.110.46.59 20:00, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

group E

i think it is noteworthy to add in trivia section that every team in group E, had identical Pld, W, D L, GF, GA and GD, as far as i know for the first time in history

Recent edits by SndrAndrss

I really think we should be linking to the match reports at FIFA web sites. I can't see the point in changing the links. Also, I don't think it matters which how the teams are ordered in the footballboxes. I'd support changing it to the ordering used in the match reports (or any consistent ordering) but we should pick a particular order and stop changing it. I've reverted some of SndrAndrss'd edits, which are less than helpful, and I've left comments on their talk page, but I have had no response. Please can we have some sort of consensus before making these sorts of edits? --StuartBrady (Talk) 13:25, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

Absolute agreement here. There's no way you can claim a 3rd party site to be a better source to cite compared to the "official" site, and you should also follow the format of the linked-to site (e.g. for the order the teams are displayed) for the benefit of the reader. -- DeLarge 13:50, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

It is completely and utterly irrelevant which order the teams are in, as for all the matches with the exception of those of the United States, neither team can be usefully construed as being at home. WP:LAME for this one. Stifle (talk) 08:35, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Foxboro Stadium

Foxboro Stadium is not in Boston, it is in Foxboro, which is something like 20 miles away from Boston (maybe more). However, SndrAndrss has 'corrected' all of the Foxboro Stadium references in the matches to indicate that it is in Boston. I am now going to change these back.--Robotforaday 13:38, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Same for Rose Bowl (in Pasadena), Stanford Stadium (in Palo Alto), Pontiac Silverdome (in Pontiac), and Giants Stadium (in East Rutherford). The "Venues" section already explains the relation between the cities the stadiums are actually located, and the names used by FIFA, which are the metro areas. So please stop editing them! Chanheigeorge 18:03, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

I believe the actual towns where the stadia are located should be mentioned, but the name of the official FIFA venue should be used as default. Ricklongo (talk) 19:33, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

Famous Moments

I added a famous moments section including Baggio's missed penalty kick and Salenko's five goal performance. I think it can be improved though. MegasAllexandros 21:41, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

Words like "best known for Baggio's penalty miss", "tragic ending" and "hero" lack neutrality. Also, I'm sure there are plenty of people who remember Baggio's great performance rather than his penalty miss. Besides, Baggio still played in 1998. In any case, I think the Baggio part should probably be moved to the Roberto Baggio article. - ChaChaFut 02:30, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

Baggio's great performances are included in the article. Baggio's penalty miss fits a tragic hero ending, but feel free to remove it. Heraklis 07:15, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

New Jersey is not a City

The "Venues" image which lists the location of the stadiums refers to the town of East Rutherford, New Jersey simply as "New Jersey." If each other local is represented by the city it is in, why not East Rutherford? Aufs klo 03:03, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

Biggest Memory

I think it should be include the famous moment between Ireland and Mexico when the 4th offical would not let John Aldrige on to the pitch.This was all picked up on camera and so was the strong language that followed from Aldo.-the-muffin-man- 22:26, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

He was substituting Tommy Coyne, who had already left the pitch. No wonder they wouldn't let him - according to this report, FIFA think Tommy Coyne was playing for Mexico...and a Dennis "Irvin" seemed to be playing too. No. 7 on this list gives some more info.  sʟυмɢυм • т • c  23:15, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Many of the match results and group standings in this article are wrong

Someone should correct them —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 212.36.9.152 (talk) 16:42, 27 April 2007 (UTC).

The official FIFA World Cup site is not present at the moment (because it is being redesigned), but according to this site, http://www.planetworldcup.com/CUPS/1994/wc94index.html (which is unofficial), some of the match results and group standings are wrong. 88.110.46.59 20:04, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Can you be more specific? At a glance they seem to tally.  Sʟυмgυм • т • c  21:42, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

I noticed when I wrote the above comment that the Group D results and standings were wrong, but I looked again and now they seem to be correct. 88.109.5.230 16:04, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

Ticket image copyright

I've got several tickets from the 1994 World Cup, some of them never used (the bottom part wasn't ripped off). I was wondering if I scanned them and uploaded them, would it be a copyright violation? MicroX 03:04, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

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BetacommandBot (talk) 21:08, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Switzerland v Romania correction

Please note the fourth Swiss goal was scored by Georges Bregy, not Adrian Knup as is wrongly states in the official match report. Knup didn't touch the ball. Mjefm (talk) 07:31, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

What basis do you have for this assertion? Although FIFA have often gotten things wrong in the past, I've seen no sources that give Bregy as the scorer of the fourth goal, and even then I wouldn't want to second guess FIFA. – PeeJay 09:54, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

Qualification

It is not true that no British teams competed in that World Cup. Ireland is a British island so Republic of Ireland is a British team. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fn1m (talk • contribs) 11:19, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

Ireland is not part of the UK, which is what people refer to when they say "British team". chandler 14:16, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

Exactly. Ireland may lie on one of the so-called "British Isles", but it is not a part of the United Kingdom. The phrase "British team" refers exclusively to the teams of England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland. – PeeJay 20:27, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

Britain is an island which consists of three countries Scotland, England and Wales. Ireland is a separate island. Only people from the island of Britain are British. Most Irish people are offended at being considered part of the "British" isles and certainly do not consider themselves to be British. Especially the Republic of Ireland. I suggest you look at the discussion page on the British Isles article for some insight.--Limericksham (talk) 09:40, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

There is no such island as "Britain". The term you are searching for is "Great Britain". And anyway, nobody gives two hoots whether Irish people get offended at being considered part of the British Isles; it's a fact of geography and there's nothing you can do about it. – PeeJay 11:29, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

Aw, poor PJ. Did I offend you? Are you sure nobody gives two hoots about it or just you? I think there's plenty of people who give two hoots about what it's called- your own government has discouraged its use. They give a hoot obviously. British media and academics have also discouraged its use. So obviously there are plenty of people, PJ, who give a hoot. Even if nobody gave a hoot, would that be ok, PJ? Is it a fact PJ? There's nothing we can do about it? Who says? You? Come into the 21st century PJ. Peking is Beijing, Bombay is now Mumbai, Madras is Chennai; no amount of keyboard bashing by a little Englander is going to change them back. The days of Empire have long gone PJ, along with your lot telling everyone else what to do.--Limericksham (talk) 11:50, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

I said "Nobody gives two hoots whether Irish people get offended", not that nobody cares about the situation. The common term for the group of islands upon which the United Kingdom and the Republic of Ireland lie is "the British Isles", and until a more common term comes into use, I don't see any reason why we should stop using "the British Isles". – PeeJay 18:35, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

Original research

Per long-standing consensus and policy, we don't publish "final standings" as the world cup only has 1st, 2nd and 3rd place. To infer otherwise is not permitted, unless FIFA changes its rules. --John (talk) 03:53, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

Knockout stage questions

Why was the knockout stage as it was?

In Italia´90 the winners and runner up of a group wouldn´t meet until final where as in USA ´94 Brazil meet sweden (Winners and runner up group B) in semifinal. The same would have been for winners and runner up of Group D (Nigeria and Bulgaria), Group F (Netherlands and Saudi Arabia).

Winners and runner up of Group A (Romania and Switzerland) Group C (Germany and Spain)and E (Mexico and Ireland) where not able to meet again until the final of the world cup if they would have got there.

Italia ´90 The winners and runners up where not able to meet until final. The four best third-placed teams did would not meet any team from thier own group until semifinal - and in three out of four cases the would have meet the winners of thier group. Mexico ´86 was the same, though it was two thirdplaced teams that where able to meet the groups runner-up in semi-final, and two too meet the groupwinner.

In Korea/japan 2002 Brazil again faced a team from thier own group in semifinal - Turkey. As far ar I´ve understood it this was due too keep teams in one Country until final. It was the same in Euro 2008 in Austria-Switerland (Spain face thier runner up Russia in the semifinals) though not for the Euro2000 in Belgien/Niederlande —Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.30.75.7 (talk) 21:30, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

Pure speculation, but it may have been to minimize travel, as the US is a heck of a lot bigger in area than most of the countries that had previously hosted (even Mexico is only about a third of the US's area.) oknazevad (talk) 23:46, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

I think there is some truth in that but I don´t think that´s all. There is a "west coast knockout" and a "east coast knock out" but as I wrote some groups the winner and runner-up where divided to each side. My memory tells me that winning a groups was equal to travel less - but then the runner-ups could have gone over to the other coast (i.e Argentina as a third placed team). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.234.168.203 (talk) 01:27, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

US English

Unfortunately, recent unconstructive edits have sought to restore UK English. This article "has strong ties to a particular English-speaking nation"; therefore, it "uses the English of that nation." See WP:ENGVAR. - PhilipR (talk) 15:35, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

The dates/times given are all in Brit-english and need to be changed. ~DC _{Let's Vent} 19:22, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

As a neutral observer, the application of WP:ENGVAR becomes less obvious in dealing with international sporting tournaments like this one. In such international sporting competitions whose host countries vary from year-to-year (or in this case, every four years), there tends to be no consensus on each article having "strong ties" to that particular host nation. The example I always like give is the featured article 2005 United States Grand Prix. Although that event took place in the United States, is not written in American English; instead the national variety was chosen per WP:RETAIN. Cheers. Zzyzx11 (talk) 19:36, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

It's an interesting point about international tournaments, and I'd like to follow that discussion as it develops. But it may well be irrelevant for this article.

• This is the very first revision of the article, but it appears to mix variants liberally. ("Bulgaria has not won...", but, "defence")
• The next substantive edit uses US spellings center and defense. The only hint of ambiguity I see is in the term Football World Cup, which was apparently the canonical name of the World Cup main article at that time. Clearly the effect of this edit was to render the article in US English.
• It probably doesn't matter, but this is the first edit with substantial date formatting. It also uses US style.

Per WP:ENGVAR, when there is no strong connection with the subject matter, "the variety chosen by the first major contributor should be adopted." However, "where an article that is not a stub shows no signs of which variety it is written in, the first person to make an edit that disambiguates the variety is equivalent to the first major contributor." It seems to indicate that the style for this article should be US English if we deem it to be strongly connected to the United States and US English if we don't so deem it.

My opinion is that there is a strong connection to the subject matter (just as there was in 1966 and 2010), but for this article it apparently shouldn't matter. - Regards, PhilipR (talk) 00:20, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

Additionally, 2005 United States Grand Prix isn't the clearest precedent. Comments justifying the UK spelling point to the paucity of North American entrants in the competition. - PhilipR (talk) 00:38, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

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--JeffGBot (talk) 02:23, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

Netherlands v Brazil.

Times of goalscorers are wrong. I'm not sure of the correct times myself, but I know that Brazil went 2-0 up, not The Netherlands.

Also Aron Winter scored the equaliser against Brazil, not Marco Van Basten, who I'm not sure was even in the Dutch squad for the tournament.