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This is an old revision of this page, as edited by LyndellaLee (talk | contribs) at 09:09, 25 June 2012 (→‎Confusing wording: false "Assange as ancestor" claim). The present address (URL) is a permanent link to this revision, which may differ significantly from the current revision.

Edit-warring over minor biographical details

if i was a mod i'd protect the page til this was resolved. take it to the talk page, people. back-and-forthing like this doesn't make a good article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kaini (talk) 02:52, December 22, 2011 (UTC)

Chinese immigrant

asange doesnt even know who he is. he has a cantonese name but he's taiwanese. come on, make up your mind — Preceding unsigned comment added by 118.163.7.55 (talk) 00:44, 16 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I think the article is confused on this point. It says he has Taiwanese ancestry, but then the quotes about this refer to Brett Assange's ancestry. Brett is his stepfather (and maybe adopted father?) not his biological father - so strictly speaking, Assange doesn't have Taiwanese ancestry himself. Unless his biological father happened to be part Taiwanese as well. The claim about Torres Islanders also refers to his stepfather.... 94.174.108.74 (talk) 19:19, 19 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The quotes do not all refer to Brett Assange. The first quote is what Julian Assange says himself:

My grandfather was a Taiwanese pirate..He was a pirate and landed on Thursday Island where he met and married a Thursday Islander woman. They went to Queensland. - http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2023140/WikiLeaks-Julian-Assange-portrayed-predatory-narcissistic-fantasist-new-book.html#ixzz1yH0tzJ6S

That quote does not refer to Brett Assange, it refers to himself and his background, but he also says Brett has that background in the quotes following that:

According to what Julian told Khatchadourian, Brett was the descendant of a Chinese immigrant who had settled on Thursday Island, Ah Sang or Mr Sang. - Making Trouble: Essays Against the New Australian Complacency, Robert Manne (Page 195)

Basically, regardless of who is his father may be, he says he has Asian and Australian Aboriginal or Torres Islander ancestry. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wbvoki (talk • contribs) 20:46, 19 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I have just read this article and it seems that the categories are not apropos. Au Sang/Ah Sang / Assang / Assange is the surname from his step-father, but not from his father, who isn't Chinese (or Taiwanese)–Thursday Islander. His mother certainly isn't either of these ethnicities. Furthermore, the name "Ah Sang" in Cantonese is certainly not "Mr. Sang"; if anything at all, it's simply "Sang" (ah, 阿, is a particle common in spoken Chinese dialects, often of the south, such as Hokkien or Cantonese). Pardon me if this sounds incredible and suspect but it seems as though Assange's family history has been and is being rewritten, and that this is further perpetuated by sources. I would recommend removing the categories that are not substantiated, namely "Category:Australian people of Taiwanese descent". It's not as though this article is tagged with "Category:Indigenous Australian people‎" or "Category:Torres Strait Islanders"; let's be consistent and not inappropriate tag the article. --Qwerty Binary (talk) 10:51, 21 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The fact is that the first quote is what Julian says himself - he says "my grandfather", not Brett's grandfather; the second quote is what Julian says about Brett's ancestry; also in one of the citations there is quote from a Wikileaks associate in which he mentions what Julian told him about his ancestry - "at least ten ancestors from various corners of the globe, from the South Sea pirates to Irishmen." The sources substantiate this and that's all that matters.

Notable details in the lede

Not sure who removed it but I came to update the extremely high profile details about this person and the details had all been removed from the lede - WP:LEDE objects completely - sad and sorry state for the reader - I will watch this article again because there is no excuse for that imo.Youreallycan 21:39, 30 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

So when is he being sent back to Sweden? ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 22:29, 30 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
He has been granted another optional appeal to reopen - this will be decided in the next two weeks then if they reject the request to reopen , the subjects only avenue of appeal left is the European Court of Human Rights in in Strasbourg, he might ask them to take a case - if he does then he will remain in the Uk till that is resolved. So, no date yet. Youreallycan 15:35, 31 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Merge Christine Assange into this article

An article was recently created on Julian Assange's mother, Christine Assange. As her only notability is related to Julian Assange, I propose that her very short article be merged into this one. Kaldari (talk) 00:17, 6 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Christine Assange (then known as Christine Hawkins) made nationwide headlines in Australia a few years prior to her son gaining notability, as the organiser to the (never held) "Great Bikini March" protest (mentioned in the wikipedia entry on Taj el Din Hilaly where she is referred to as Christine Hawkins - which is what prompted me to create the entry). Her current public profile is heavily connected to her son and to wikileaks, but her extensive campaigning has made her a notable figure in her own right. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rosabibi (talk • contribs) 00:37, 6 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Those articles do not say that Christine Assange and Christine Hawkins are the same person, so they can't be used in either article. I support the merging of the material related to Julian unless reliable sources can be found that explicitly discuss Chrisitne Assange in material unrelated to Julian. Gregcaletta (talk) 20:39, 17 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The Contribution I am considering

I am new user for the Wikipedia, and I love to make my first contribution about the topic I am really interested. I am considering to add more information about the the election of Austrian Senator that Assange was trying to run. I think this is a very interesting topic and currently there are not many information about the that topic. There are only two sentence under the "Running for Australian Senate". I find some really good news articles about Assange running for the Senate , and I hope I can edit about this ares.Thylakoidd (talk) 04:28, 15 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Although the date for the next Australian Senate election has not yet been set, it almost certainly won't be for at least another year. Nominations have not yet been called. Given these uncertainties, I believe anything more than the current content on this matter would be undesirable at this stage. But don't let that put you off. Find other areas where you can contribute. And I like your approach of discussing it here first. HiLo48 (talk) 05:00, 15 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
and what is "the current content on this matter" exactly ? Penyulap ☏ 07:06, 18 Jun 2012 (UTC)

Hi - the whole issue is self promotional nonsense - if he stands for election we will report it then - until he does is WP:CRYSTAL and pre - recentism - lol - Youreallycan 20:27, 17 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I think it has little to do with CRYSTAL and more to do with the obvious "ask for a source if you do not know what the editor is talking about", or do some research, either one is good. strange, something so obvious it doesn't have a page (and yes I realise that you know of his announcement) Penyulap ☏ 06:54, 18 Jun 2012 (UTC)
It is relatively rare, though not unheard of, for Australian high profile sports or media or union personalities to announce their intention to run long before any actual election date. Maxine McKew, for example. There were years of speculation and a full eight months between her actual specific announcement and the election. American political candidates do it all the time. Whether Assange will run or not for the next Senate election is still a matter for the future, but he has announced his intention and we can give that a line, perhaps including the additional news from the same source that Wikileaks plans to run a candidate against the sitting PM - just like Maxine[1]. --Pete (talk)
well, that's getting there, as far as i can find out, it's not possible to do anything more than make your intention known, there is nothing to sign up to prior to the opening date is there ? It seems that an announcement from someone like assange that has been well documented is well over the line for inclusion in the article. what next, keep out everyone who didn't win ? Penyulap ☏ 08:26, 18 Jun 2012 (UTC)
(off topic, but it is precisely the sort of thing that is popular in australia afaik. chaser apec stunt shows just how popular subversives are in their public spotlight. I expect that new laws or technicalities will be found to stop him.) Penyulap ☏ 08:33, 18 Jun 2012 (UTC)
Formal nominations for candidature are not made until a few weeks before an election, which in most cases is not announced until a month or so beforehand. Political parties "pre-select" their candidates on their own schedule, typically a year or so in advance of the next election date. Once pre-selected, they are almost certain to nominate at the formal time. The last class of senators took their seats in July 2011, so the next class will take their seats in July 2014, meaning a normal half-senate election will occur between July 2013 and June 2014, most likely in the latter half of 2013, to coincide with the next house of representatives election due then. There is a remote chance (given the current state of the parliament) of an early representatives election at any time followed by a possible full-senate election six months later, which takes us into 2013, anyway. So nothing's going to happen officially for at least six months and more likely a year. He's announced an intention, but nothing may come of it. I've heard nothing about the formation or registration of a Wikileaks party, which would be the logical next step, if he is serious. The only thing we know for sure is that he's announced his intention to run. --Pete (talk) 08:52, 18 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
has there been mention of any party ? if there was no mention of a party, then editors may well have their crystal party, but not until then :) what you have said seems to fit with what i have found about the candidacy for government in australia, that is, it's a matter of announcing. I guess they have no trains there with hot air being exhausted out the caboose for them to festoon with ribbons and so on. So I guess, right now, he is as good as campaigning in some ways, or at least the way they do things down under. Penyulap ☏ 09:15, 18 Jun 2012 (UTC)
I haven't heard of a Wikileaks party being registered. You could check the Australian Electoral Commission website - they handle party registrations. Usually if it's newsworthy, we get to hear about it, like Bob Katter's recent moves. It's not a big story at the moment, and probably won't be. If Assange was serious, he'd be in Australia stitching up preference deals with the Greens and other minor parties. But what I've heard is very little, and that's from the same news sources available to everybody else with access to Google. The bottom line is that nothing is going to happen quickly on this. It's no big deal anyway. Not yet. If it becomes more important, we'll know about it and we'll cover it. Assange isn't going to slip into the Senate without anyone noticing and should that happen, we'll write about it. --Pete (talk) 11:20, 18 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Confusing wording

Hi, the following passage in the lead section is a bit confusing:

"On 30 May 2012 Assange lost his Supreme Court appeal in England to avoid extradition to Sweden though the court gave Assange a stay of 14 days on the extradition order.[12][13] This final appeal to the Supreme court was rejected and barring any appeal to the European Court of Human Rights in Strasbourg, extradition will take place over a ten day period commencing on 28 June 2012.[14]."

If "This final appeal to the Supreme court was rejected" is talking about the same appeal as the one just mentioned, then it should be deleted. The article has already said that he lost the appeal, so it is confusing to repeat the same thing again as if it was new information. If, on the other hand, it is talking about something different then the article should explain more about the nature of this second appeal. 86.181.202.123 (talk) 17:23, 20 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Speaking of confusing / misleading wording; someone has reversed my edit where I corrected the claim that ASsange is of "Taiwanese descent". Assange took the name of his stepfather - these are not his ancestors! Could a moderator please resolve this issue? The article should be referring to his STEP-grandfather.

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If he gets asylum and leaves in an embassy car, and the police stop and arrest him? Not trying to start a flame war, just wondering. --IP98 (talk) 01:00, 25 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Probably better asked at the Wikipedia:Reference desk/Humanities, but the short answer appears to be yes, see [2], and [3]. The BBC had more discussion/speculation on this but I cannot find the links now. -84user (talk) 01:19, 25 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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