Talk:Mia Love

This article must adhere to the biographies of living persons (BLP) policy, even if it is not a biography, because it contains material about living persons. Contentious material about living persons that is unsourced or poorly sourced must be removed immediately from the article and its talk page, especially if potentially libellous. If such material is repeatedly inserted, or if you have other concerns, please report the issue to this noticeboard.

If you are a subject of this article, or acting on behalf of one, and you need help, please see this help page.

This page is about a politician who is running for office or has recently run for office, is in office and campaigning for re-election, or is involved in some current political conflict or controversy. For that reason, this article is at increased risk of biased editing, talk-page trolling, and simple vandalism.

This article is of interest to multiple WikiProjects.

Please add the quality rating to the {{WikiProject banner shell}} template instead of this project banner. See WP:PIQA for details.

Biography: Politics and Government C‑class

	Biography portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Biography, a collaborative effort to create, develop and organize Wikipedia's articles about people. All interested editors are invited to join the project and contribute to the discussion. For instructions on how to use this banner, please refer to the documentation.BiographyWikipedia:WikiProject BiographyTemplate:WikiProject Biographybiography articles
C	This article has been rated as C-class on Wikipedia's content assessment scale.
	This article is supported by the politics and government work group (assessed as Low-importance).

Please add the quality rating to the {{WikiProject banner shell}} template instead of this project banner. See WP:PIQA for details.

United States: Utah C‑class Low‑importance

	United States portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject United States, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of topics relating to the United States of America on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the ongoing discussions. Template Usage Articles Requested! Become a Member Project Talk Alerts United StatesWikipedia:WikiProject United StatesTemplate:WikiProject United StatesUnited States articles
C	This article has been rated as C-class on Wikipedia's content assessment scale.
Low	This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.
	Utah portal This article is supported by WikiProject Utah (assessed as Low-importance).

Please add the quality rating to the {{WikiProject banner shell}} template instead of this project banner. See WP:PIQA for details.

Conservatism C‑class Low‑importance

	Conservatism portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Conservatism, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of conservatism on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.ConservatismWikipedia:WikiProject ConservatismTemplate:WikiProject ConservatismConservatism articles
C	This article has been rated as C-class on Wikipedia's content assessment scale.
Low	This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.

Please add the quality rating to the {{WikiProject banner shell}} template instead of this project banner. See WP:PIQA for details.

Latter Day Saint movement C‑class Low‑importance

	Latter Day Saint movement portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Latter Day Saint movement, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Mormonism and the Latter Day Saint movement on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.Latter Day Saint movementWikipedia:WikiProject Latter Day Saint movementTemplate:WikiProject Latter Day Saint movementLatter Day Saint movement articles
C	This article has been rated as C-class on Wikipedia's content assessment scale.
Low	This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.

references are to interviews with subject herself

no 3rd party source. is this how wiki works?

Haitian

Respectfully, I believe there is an error in the wording of the first sentence "Ludmya 'Mia' B. Love (born 1975) is the first female African-American to serve as a city mayor in Utah." Mia Love is an American born of Haitian parents, as the article later states. The only people who refer to themselves as "African-Americans" are the descendants of American slavery, a name they adapted during the Black Pride Movement. The children of Caribbean immigrants never refer to ourselves as "African Americans," but rather as [country name]-Americans (i.e. Haitian-American in Mayor Love's case), or as "Americans of Caribbean heritage/descent." This is the reason why Caribbeans had a movement starting last February to get their own box on the Census form (see four bullet points up from bottom http://voices.washingtonpost.com/federal-eye/2009/04/eye_opener_obamas_calls_for_su.html). I propose that the sentence be changed to "Ludmya 'Mia' B. Love (born 1975) is the first woman of African descent to serve as a city mayor in Utah." Amberblossoms (talk) 07:13, 25 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

>The only people who refer to themselves as "African-Americans" are the descendants of American slavery --

> you are so right

The very first paragraph in the Wikipedia article on Barack Obama states "Barack Hussein Obama II (i/bəˈrɑːk huːˈseɪn oʊˈbɑːmə/; born August 4, 1961) is the 44th and current President of the United States. He is the first African American to hold the office." He is not descended from American slaves (well, technically, he might be through his mother's side, but the genealogical evidence is a bit weak). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.191.25.61 (talk) 15:54, 29 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Mia Love is not a hyphenated American, nor of "African" descent.

The complaint is raised that Mia Love, a personal friend, is not an African-American because her parents were born in Haiti. That is true, for two reasons. First, because her parents were born in Haiti, not Africa. Secondly, because Mia is loathe to be called a hyphenated American of any prior national affiliation. Mia was born in the United States. Those that call themselves African-Americans are almost exclusively members of the the Democrat Party, or any political association that is not of the Republican Party. Mia is a staunch member of the Republican Party. Members of the Republican Party, if a need for a label ever occurs, refer to themselves as Black Americans. Mia Love follows that custom.

Mia Love's ancestors lived in Haiti for many generations removed from the continent of Africa. To the extent that generations of those of "European", et alia, descent do not refer to themselves as such, neither is it correct to refer to Mia Love as of African descent. Again, a need for an ethnocentric label is a quality anathema to members of the Republican Party. UTresident (talk) 19:52, 12 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The problem I see is that that sources call her "the first black woman to...". So completely removing it I thing would be wrong. However, some ideas at the Failed Wikipedia:African American discussion may work her. Perhaps change it to "Haitian-American". However, I dislike "Black-American".--ARTEST4ECHO (^talk/_contribs) 14:11, 15 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

This article has Mia describing herself as "African-American." It is from 2004 though, and I'd be curious to know if there are any current media sources where she doesn't use that phrase. -- Erroneuz1 (talk) 18:03, 29 April 2012 (UTC) By the same standard, President Obama will no longer be referred to as African-American. Rather humerous that you can call Americans Africans, but you can't call real Africans Africans. What's really sad is with the state of the Union dominated education system, our children probably can't point to Africa on a map anyway. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.45.200.157 (talk) 15:52, 29 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

fixed?

I fix the text to remove the "African American" label. Is the tone OK now? Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Smilingbandit (talk • contribs) 15:25, 3 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Eliminate Department of Education and Energy?

Why does this keep getting edited, moved, and reworded? This is the actual line from the article, and it follows the paragraphs that discusses dismantling the black caucus....

The caucus isn't the only thing Love said she would dismantle in Washington. The departments of education and energy must go, she said. States, she said, should take back those duties along with health care.

Shouldn't it follow the paragrpahs from the same article where it talks about and she says...

If elected in November, Love would be the first black Republican woman in Congress and Utah's first black representative. She said she would join the Congressional Black Caucus in Washington, D.C., should she win.

"Yes, yes. I would join the Congressional Black Caucus and try to take that thing apart from the inside out," she said.

Though officially nonpartisan, the caucus has been more closely identified with the Democratic Party.

"It’s demagoguery. They sit there and ignite emotions and ignite racism when there isn’t," Love said. "They use their positions to instill fear. Hope and change is turned into fear and blame. Fear that everybody is going lose everything and blaming Congress for everything instead of taking responsibility."

It doesn't flow, and it's taken out of context when broken up as it's currently worded...the whole idea of her saying she wants to take apart the black caucus is in line with breaking up the dept of education and energy and from the same article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.53.175.49 (talk) 15:13, 25 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Should we mention that Mrs. Love's husband is of European descent

I do not think this fact is mentioned in the article, and I am not sure if it is relevant or worth mentioning. This article http://newsone.com/346727/meet-mia-love-utahs-first-african-american-mayor/ makes that clear with its lead picture, and the earliest Deseret News article on her (from 2004, when she had been on the city council about 9 months) not only mentions that Mia and Jason are of different racial backgrounds, but discusses the way this effects the physical apparence of their children. The fact that she is married to a white man has not come up much in more recent coverage. In fact, thinking about it, the race of her husband is often left unstated, but we clearly have the sources for saying he is white/of European descent. I am not sure how best to phrase that, or where it should be place. I will try, but feel free to relocate it.John Pack Lambert (talk) 17:46, 8 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

There was once a Deseret News article that discussed how some people reacted to Mia Love hanging out with her husband's white family and them wondering how she knew them. I believe this was an article in January 2005 leading up to Martin Luther King Jr. Day, but I may be wrong about the year and the exact reason for the article. I believe she was on the city council when it ran, but the article only incidentlally mentioned she was on the city council. I am only 90% certain it was a Deseret News article, I am 100% certain I read it. With Mrs. Love becoming such a popular topic in the Blogosphere, it is hard to hunt down pre-April 10, 2012 articles. I will try to find the article.John Pack Lambert (talk) 17:51, 8 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- It is possible the article I am thinking of ran in the Provo Herald. Either way it was not about Mrs. Love, but about perceptions of race in Utah. I will continue trying to find it.John Pack Lambert (talk) 17:54, 8 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Potentially first Haitian-American in congress?

Does anyone know if there have to date been any other Haitian Americans serve in congress? If yes, were they children of two Haitian immigrant parents, Haitian immigrants themselves, or more distantly removed from their Haitain roots?John Pack Lambert (talk) 18:12, 8 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

African-Americaness revisited

--- The Wiki for Colin Powell lists him as the son of Jamaican immigrants but also calls him 'African-American'. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.21.46.32 (talk) 13:28, 20 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Photo

The photo currently displayed is low quality, there must be some quality headshots out there, any objection to a change? Cavdoc (talk) 03:23, 29 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Sure, but it can't be copyrighted, which is what most available images are. See WP:IUP for more details. Jauerback^dude?/_dude. 03:27, 29 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Never mind. I found one and added it. Someone else can crop it out later. Jauerback^dude?/_dude. 03:44, 29 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

that looks a lot better, thanks for that! Cavdoc (talk) 14:08, 29 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Notability of "grossly insulting, degrading, or offensive material" vandalism on national news

Should we include the national news mention on this edit, which included the quoted language above?99.102.212.191 (talk) 16:20, 29 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Of course not. Vandalism happens all the time on Wikipedia. And don't try to reinsert material that's been over sighted/deleted because it's degrading by including it in discussion headings, please. - Nunh-huh 16:51, 29 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

It was only hidden after the news went national. It seems your concerns and censorship of a quoted national news headline are self-serving and seek to further the interests of Wikipedia as an institution - and not to consider the notability of this event based upon its encyclopedic merit. I have to admit that I'm taken aback by your deletion and censorship of me directly quoting a headline read already by millions throughout the world.99.102.212.191 (talk) 17:23, 29 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Everyone knows racism doesn't matter when it benefits Democrats. Eric Holder proved that when he refused to prosecute the New Black Panthers. Evidently Wikipedia is reluctant to post anything that makes Democrats look bad.76.6.218.158 (talk) 17:26, 29 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I see that now even the Talk page history has been scrubbed of any quotation of the internationally read headline regarding Wikipedia's term for Mia Love.99.102.212.191 (talk) 17:52, 29 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]