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The Bugle: Issue LXXI, February 2012

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The Bugle: Issue LXXIV, May 2012

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Reverting

Hi Kansas Bear, please read my explanation on Talk page of Seljuq dynasty before reverting it. The debate is on. BozokluAdam (talk) 15:43, 26 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Read the multitude of references on the talk page, which you've ignored, before removing referenced information. --Kansas Bear (talk) 16:16, 26 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Nice to see you back

Welcome back Kansas. Take care. Δρ.Κ. λόγοςπράξις 16:57, 26 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, Dr. K! --Kansas Bear (talk) 19:29, 26 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, very pleased, we are losing good editors too fast! Dougweller (talk) 17:58, 30 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, Doug. --Kansas Bear (talk) 18:10, 30 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

al-Farabi

Kansas Good day !

Why are you reverting my editions on the page of Great Islamic Scholar al-Farabi without noticing or explaining your reasons for that?

I hope you will be more responsible, aware and conscious about anything you change on the pages of wikipedia the next time

i hope you understand, thank you— Preceding unsigned comment added by Majilis (talk • contribs) 16:36, 30 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

You should be more responsible and not remove referenced information. Ignoring the sources that say he is Persian will get you no where. --Kansas Bear (talk) 17:12, 30 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]


this is exactly what you're doing i didn't remove any reference if trace it back i only added some references

and you removed the references of Richard Walzer that i have put it there — Preceding unsigned comment added by 137.132.250.13 (talk) 18:40, 30 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

And you removed Persian(which is referenced). Without explanation or consensus. --Kansas Bear (talk) 18:46, 30 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]


Please stop your disruptive editing, as you did at al-Farabi. Your revertinghave been removed.

--Majilis (talk) 15:56, 22 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: User:Majilis has already been blocked once for edit warring on the Al-Farabi article, and he is in peril of being blocked again. Accordingly, this administrator takes the warning above with a large grain of salt. —C.Fred (talk) 15:59, 22 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]


This is your last warning. You may be blocked from editing without further warning the next time you vandalize a page, as you did with this edit to al-Farabi. --Majilis (talk) 02:28, 24 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

OTTOMAN TITLE

http://web.archive.org/web/20020418161219/http://www.4dw.net/royalark/Turkey/turkey.htm

LOOK

Dilek2 (talk) 23:46, 22 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

GOCE July 2012 Copy Edit Drive

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Tirmidhi

Tirmidhi is an Uzbek 'Alim he was born in Uzbekistan and passed away in Uzbekistan under the the Abbasid Caliphate, the territory is Uzbekistan, the rules were Abbasid Caliphates do you get it or not?

--Majilis (talk) 04:25, 24 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I have a published university source stating he was Persian. Do you get it or not? --Kansas Bear (talk) 04:56, 24 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Odd how a "new user" is so proficient in knowing what 3rr is and where to find the warning templates.... Not to mention how this "new user's" edit of Ghaznavids mirror a previous anti-Persianate editor. --Kansas Bear (talk) 06:21, 29 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
What the hell is anti-Persianate editor? Don't worry about me, you violated the 3RR and you've been here since 2008 so ask yourself why you did that?--Nasir Ghobar (talk) 07:03, 29 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Undiscussed changes made without consensus. Or did you not "read" that part? I'm sure you know ALL about consensus, since you are a "supposed" new user. --Kansas Bear (talk) 13:55, 29 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Complaint about your edits

Hello Kansas Bear. Please see WP:AN3#User:Kansas Bear reported by User:Nasir Ghobar (Result: ). You may respond there if you wish. EdJohnston (talk) 02:36, 1 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the heads up, Ed. After reading what Nasir Ghobar has said, "....but Kansas Bear who I suspect is an Iranian...", "Everyone in Afghanistan are complaining that Iranians are on a crusade to steal Afghanistan's history.". I have absolutely no desire to respond to such racist comments. If Wikipedia has become a haven for such individuals to spew their racist rhetoric, then perhaps I should re-assess my recent return. --Kansas Bear (talk) 02:54, 1 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Battle of Peshawar

I'm pleased to be able to do a little bit for the article, although there is one point that I am curious about - you wrote that it is the first major battle between the Turkic Ghaznavid dynasty and the Shahi kingdom, but according to al-Utbi's Tarikh Yamini, they had two previous confrontations, one of them a major one near or in Lamghan (or maybe Kabul) involving over 100,000 troops. Those two battles were between Jayapala and Sebuk Tigin, although the first major between Jayapala and Mahmud appears to be Peshawar. Is that a direct quote from your source? I don't have access to that book (The State At War In South Asia) so I can't check. Hzh (talk) 00:39, 12 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Ok. I will check it. Thanks. --Kansas Bear (talk) 02:24, 12 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Elizabeth Charlotte, Princess Palatine

Hi there, well thanks for contacting me about this paragraph which another Wiki editor keeps reverting although I clearly mention the source which is the French edition of the Letters. The corresponding English editions generally leave out the "shameful" circumstances of Berry's death. The Palatine wrote extensively and her writing often went against the grain of "decent" court literature which is why it's so interesting and "true" Here's the entire reverted paragraph : On 21 July 1719, Elisabeth Charlotte lost her grand-daughter Marie Louise Élisabeth d'Orléans, Duchess of Berry. Notoriously promiscuous, the young widowed princess had hidden several pregnancies and the autopsy revealed her to be again with child, only three months after suffering a very laborious delivery. Elisabeth Charlotte was infinitely pained by Berry's death and horrified by what she learned of her debauchery[1].

The other editor keeps reverting it claiming it has nothing to do with Elizabeth Charlotte's biography on Wiki. If he'd read Elizabeth Charlotte's letters he'd realize that the aged princess was very much affected by the scandals surrounding the death of her grand-daughter the Duchess of Berry. I wanted to keep the paragraph short but true to the facts (since indeed this article is dedicated to the Palatine and not to Berry) which is why I only mention this single source. The scandalous death of the Duchess is described at length by Saint-Simon and others, but anyone interested in this specific will find all that info on the Wiki piece dedicated to the Duchess of Berry... Regards. Aerecinski — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.243.130.188 (talk) 21:04, 12 July 2012 (UTC) Hi again Kansas Bear, well sorry I had forgotten to re-login when writing you the preceding edit about the Palatine and since I moved too fast saving the page... Sorry about that and all the Best. Aerecinski — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aerecinski (talk • contribs) 21:11, 12 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

saliha sultana

I delete it, dont worry, you are the winner

i see too many racists here in english category

Dilek2 (talk) 17:21, 14 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Race has nothing to do with it. As I said earlier, there are most likely thousands of descendants of Ottoman royalty that have not been written about in English or any other language for that matter. If I were you, I would take the article Saliha Sultana and create your own sandbox like user:Dilek2/Saliha Sultana. Then continue to search for published sources to support this article. Once your article is well sourced, then re-admit it to mainstream wikipedia. --Kansas Bear (talk) 17:36, 14 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Ghaznavids

Regarding User talk:EdJohnston#Dispute at Ghaznavids. This is probably going to be archived from my talk page with no further action. I hope that the situation is under control for the moment. Thanks, EdJohnston (talk) 02:25, 21 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I am not sure what action could have been taken, Ed. --Kansas Bear (talk) 02:28, 21 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Ozdemura

Are you sure Pliny the Elder wasn't a 19th century writer? Agenda anyone? At least this editor is now using edit summaries. Dougweller (talk) 05:43, 21 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I know, I was going out on a limb there. :-p --Kansas Bear (talk) 08:29, 21 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you

That was unexpected, but thank you. Much appreciated. Hzh (talk) 01:59, 23 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Talkback

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Battle of Ankara

I was already writing my comment when you sent me your message. There was no reason to mention "personal animosity" of other user because it is violation of Wikipedia:Civility which says: Don't ....make personal remarks about editors.--Antidiskriminator (talk) 01:23, 28 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Understood. --Kansas Bear (talk) 01:47, 28 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
You are absolutely correct. I especially enjoyed the remark, "Neither of you are historians nor you have any academic attitude.", LMAO!!! --Kansas Bear (talk) 03:11, 28 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I think I gave a fairly clear arguments which support adding Lazarevic to the infobox and I don't really have much to add to that now. If IP user misinterpreted the sources, then it is only an additional reason to prevent him/her to continue with disruption.--Antidiskriminator (talk) 14:48, 31 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I agree. I believe the IP has some sort of political/nationalistic POV which calls for the removal of Stefan Lazarevic from the infobox. Thus removing Lazarevic's responsibility in providing troops for Bayezid. What I find very odd, is this IP's issue with this particular battle. Why not the Battle of Rovine? Battle of Nicopolis? Both have him listed in the infobox. --Defensor Ursa 06:53, 2 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The Bugle: Issue LXXVI, July 2012

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Great Seljuq Empire

Since you have been editing the Great Seljuq Empire article, I thought I would ask your opinion. Currently the lede sentence is, "The Great Seljuq Empire (Persian: دولت سلجوقیان‎, Modern Turkish: Büyük Selçuklu Devleti) was a medieval Persianate,Turko-Persian Sunni Muslim empire, originating from the Qynyq branch of Oghuz Turks.
What do you think of the lede sentence being this, "The Great Seljuq Empire (Persian: دولت سلجوقیان‎, Modern Turkish: Büyük Selçuklu Devleti) was a medieval Sunni Muslim Persianate empire, originating from the Qynyq branch of Oghuz Turks."??
Since in the following paragraph, Turko-Persian is mentioned. Your thoughts? --Defensor Ursa 20:33, 5 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Dear Kansas Bear. Before I apologize for my late reply. I think it is more correct the following sentence, "The Great Seljuq Empire" (Persian: دولت سلجوقیان‎) was a medieval Persianate, Muslim Turkic empire, originating from the Qynyq branch of Oghuz Turks. --Qara Khan 17:24, 11 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

User:71.178.108.23

Hello. There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. Peacemaker67 (talk) 01:51, 15 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Zunbils

Is this you? I asked this because out of the blue came this vandal under the anonymous IP from the state of Kansas blindly reverting my edits. Your user page stated that you are from Kansas and I saw that you used various IPs from Kansas to edit your user page. I believe it's not you but just wanted to make sure. I believe that person is User:Dewan357.--Nasir Ghobar (talk) 05:17, 16 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Nope. I noticed that user(the anon IP), and his/her editing habits, a some time ago. When I edit I usually add references. I added the citation to Buddhist since I could not find anything regarding the Zunbils. I am unaware of this User:Dewan357. --Defensor Ursa 05:50, 16 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
According to this archive of sockpuppet investigations,[1] Dewan357 is located in New Jersey. --Defensor Ursa 05:53, 16 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I am not user:Khestwol, either. --Defensor Ursa 06:00, 16 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, according to User:John Hill on the talk page of Kushan Empire Dewan357 is a New Jersery/New York City area editor involved in turning things that are not Hindu into Hindu. And user:Khestwol is from Peshawar, Pakistan, based on my reviews. He usually adds that Peshawar was the 2nd capital of past empires without citing anything to back his opinion.--Nasir Ghobar (talk) 16:58, 16 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Nasir Ghobar

I have reported this obvious sockpuppet of User:Lagoo sab. Maybe you want to say something about it. [2] --Lysozym (talk) 18:04, 29 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Something suspicious about the Durrani Empire article

Hello Kansas Bear, I think there is something suspicious going on in the Durrani Empire page. I would like to have your opinion on it.Qatarihistorian (talk) 10:38, 30 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Thanks

I just wanted to thank you for your discussion on Ardashir I.. I have brought the Iranica article which describes the three major theories. Thank you--96.255.251.165 (talk) 02:15, 31 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Sure. Though I do not believe I helped much, but you are welcome. --Defensor Ursa 04:21, 31 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Nah your presence in Wikipedia has always been helpful in fighting vandalism and crapy nationalism (e.g. Abdul Qadir Maraghi which I just r.v.'ed..).--96.255.251.165 (talk) 07:04, 1 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Can you add Nasir al-Din Tusi and Biruni to your watchlist.. it seems these are amongst the many other articles that gets constantly vandalized. Thank you--96.255.251.165 (talk) 02:39, 4 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Saffarids

Why are you removing sources that disagree with your opinion/theory/belief?--Nasir Ghobar (talk) 14:42, 3 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Why are you removing sources that disagree with your opinion/theory/belief?? Why are you ignoring what the sources on the talk page state? --Defensor Ursa 14:46, 3 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Go to the talk page and read what I wrote.[3]--Nasir Ghobar (talk) 14:51, 3 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
You go to the talk page and read the sources that state Persian. --Defensor Ursa 15:48, 3 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks

Hi Friend, Thanks for standing your ground on various articles that gets constantly vandalized with POV. I just another vandal on Biruni.. Please stay firm and don't let them get you frustrated. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.255.251.165 (talk) 02:40, 4 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Verification

Can you verify the last edits/reverts for these articles? Ergenekon and Battle of Marv. The edits are 1, 2, and 3. Thanks. Zheek (talk) 06:23, 4 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

For the Battle of Marv, that is correct. The Safavids were technically Turk not Persian. As for Ergenekon, I noticed a referenced sentence that has been removed. You might check the source on that sentence and go from there. --Defensor Ursa 15:52, 4 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Re: Ranjit Singh

I think the discussion is nothing but WP:LAWYER on the part of Nasir. See my comment .Thanks SH 14:55, 4 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sorry for being wrong.

I didn't realize the Saffarids were Persians. I thought they were other Iranian but not Persian. I am truly sorry, I'm ashamed of getting the info wrong. I just read the talk page and I can't believe Nasir Ghobar is going around claiming they were Arabs.

Wikipedia depresses me. I went through many days and weeks cleaning up articles related to Iranian, Uzbek, Arab and Afghan history, all of which were repeatedly vandalized to include false information by users with their own nationalistic agendas (be they Arab nationalists, Turkish nationalists, you name it). Not to mention repeatedly correcting information of various Arab tribes, which kept getting vandalized by Arabs from rivaling tribes, in order to include false history of a particular tribe that they hate, etc. And it keeps getting reverted over and over and over. I give up. Wikipedia is not a good tool for truth. I'm so ashamed for getting the info on the Saffarids wrong. :( Qatarihistorian (talk) 19:16, 4 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Qatari, I dont believe that you should be ashamed. Please gather what ever sources you have and post them on the talk page. This should be approached from the stand point of investigation not anyone's personal opinion. I research every article this way and I do not start out with any previously conceived POV. I find this perspective more capable of seeing all possibilities. So please post any sources you may have and let us investigate the Saffarids like historians searching for answers. Wikipedia is as much a teaching tool as it is a learning environment. --Defensor Ursa 20:35, 4 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Saffarids

Hi, Thanks for your input..I am very busy but I will get the help of two admins (Doug Weller and Folantin) who have been helpful on the issue. Thanks--96.255.251.165 (talk) 18:54, 8 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I have added 3 more sources that state Iranian/Persian origin. --Defensor Ursa 19:16, 8 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Info.

You may check this [4]. Personal attack i.e religion. It might be helpful for you. User User_talk:KSY3 may be associated with this. Theman244 (talk) 23:56, 8 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]


Suggestions

You are very good at figuring out on these sort of articles that who is pushing POV ..etc.. I would simply suggest that after 1 or 2 tries, going to admins such as folantin, Doug weller, Dbachmann etc. and also reporting bad-editing behaviour and POV pushing to Ed Johnston.. --96.255.251.165 (talk) 01:21, 9 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I would, but I am more interested in accurately sourcing articles. It is what I do and what I like. I have done this to hundreds of articles especially List of papal bulls. Oddly I haven't found much Persian influences in that article!! LOL. --Defensor Ursa 01:28, 9 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]


BTW sometimes people wonder on some sort of articles why there is a 10s of sources in the intro for a trivial thing.. the problem is that when you put 1 or 2...it can get deleted and then these sort of arguments start all over again..Until there are more good users such as yourself are involved, one needs to put 50 sources for trivial matters to push away POV pushers. --96.255.251.165 (talk) 01:24, 9 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]


  • LOL for the Pap Bulls article. I did run to something interesting recently, although I have to verify it. There is a letter from Holako (grandson of Chinigz Khan) to the pope [5] in Persian [6].
  • BTW thanks again for looking out for vandalisms in these article. We simply need close 100 users like yourself and Wikipedia would have been a great place. Due to family and other reason, I am not active as much these days. But I am glad old users like yourself are around. Best Wishes. --96.255.251.165 (talk) 01:35, 9 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Unbelievable! That would be so cool to read, if I could read Persian! :-p --Defensor Ursa 01:42, 9 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
It seems there is a reference to some book: "Christopher Dawson – Mission to Asia "..Haven't read it myself.. thanks again for all your hardwork..--96.255.251.165 (talk) 01:47, 9 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Here is an amazon link [7]..the letter's translation is alluded to by the author of that website. Take care.--96.255.251.165 (talk) 01:48, 9 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  1. ^ Orléans, Charlotte-Elisabeth duchesse d', Correspondance de Madame duchesse d'Orléans. Extraite des lettres publiées par M. de Ranke et M. Holland. Traduction et notes par Ernest Jaeglé. A, Quantin, Paris, 1880, vol.2, pp. 133-137.
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