Talk:Muppet Babies (1984 TV series)

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Muppet Babies is not a spinoff from The Muppet Show; the Muppets existed in multiple media before that show. (It is based on The Muppets Take Manhattan, though, since that is where the idea of baby Muppets originated.) —tregoweth 23:17, Apr 11, 2005 (UTC)

Please do not add the theme song lyrics to the article; they are copyrighted. tregoweth 07:36, 9 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Good candidate for rewrite?

This article is terrible. I've seen similar cases where an editor has pretty much blanked the article and allowed it to get rebuilt. Is such a thing called for here, at least in some sections? It seems it's been taken over by pranksters and people with dry senses of humor. For instance:

The Baby Gonzo character strikes an ambiguous if not enigmatic chord with many viewers, amongst whom questions of his nature are a topic of considerable debate. Although he has usually been classified as a "whatever", characters in this series referred to Gonzo as being a "weirdo", as if it were a sort of creature as much as it referred to his behavior. (The movie Muppets from Space delves more deeply into the matter). In one episode, he temporarily believes he is an anteater. Muppet scholarship is generally silent on this issue.

I hate to point out the problem without doing anything about it...Maybe I will come back when I have some more time. Thousandrobots (talk) 03:05, 6 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Purported Scientology influence

Not sure if it appropriate for inclusion, but there is an interview that purports to point out that at least one episode is based on one of L. Ron Hubbard's theories wrt. Scientology and thought.

One of the main writers, Jeffrey Scott, is a Scientologist, so it's plausible. tregoweth 06:43, 11 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

A "belief"? Are Study Tech and everything else LRH imparted beyond the core teachings of Scientology considered beliefs? CocaCola58204 05:20 14 July 2007 (UTC)

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Gonzo

Baby Gonzo voice actress was Russi Taylor not Laurie O'Brien she only voiced Baby Piggy I mean sure Brien sounded like Gonzo in Close Encounters of the Frog Kind but still Ms. O'Brien was not Gonzo the Great Matthew Cantrell (talk) 03:51, 5 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Blues clues is a favorites is not Universal Television, its Nick Jr.

Sources?

How can an article be this long and not have any sources whatsoever?

human

"The Muppet Babies live in a large nursery watched over by Nanny, the only human character in the show that appears on a regular basis. " but aren't Scooter and Skeeter human? They are according to Scooter's wikipedia page. Bouket (talk) 20:51, 18 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Airdate Discrepancy

There are parts of this article which say Muppet Babies debuted in 1989, and other parts which say it debuted in 1984. They can't both be correct. Can someone straighten this out please? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.203.41.31 (talk) 14:04, 2 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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It has been proposed in this section that Muppet Babies (1984 TV series) be renamed and moved to Jim Henson's Muppet Babies.

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Muppet Babies → Jim Henson's Muppet Babies – Someone moved this article to simply Muppet Babies earlier in the year, but I moved it back because as I stated before, there was no discussion about the move. It doesn't matter if another user moves it again because s/he thinks the title is "overly long"; WP:IDONTLIKEIT notwithstanding, this is the official title of the series. Erpert ^{Who is this guy? | Wanna talk about it?} 04:35, 12 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose we use common names, not official ones. Hot Stop (Talk) 04:50, 12 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose WP:PRECISION , WP:UCN , WP:OFFICIALNAME. We don't use official names, we use common names, and we don't use overly long names for no particular reason. -- 70.24.247.127 (talk) 05:52, 12 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- All those guidelines list mainly people's birth names and scientific names for elements and the like. This isn't the same case. (Actually, those are all shortcuts to the same guideline. Nice try.) Erpert ^{Who is this guy? | Wanna talk about it?} 08:53, 12 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Those are two relevant sections of the broader guideline Wikipedia:Article titles, and a very widely-accepted essay on the same subject. Is your position supported by any policies or guidelines? --BDD (talk) 18:18, 12 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

So are you saying we should just ignore what the actual name clearly is because enough other users don't like it? (And WP:UCN and WP:COMMONNAME go to the exact same place.) Erpert ^{Who is this guy? | Wanna talk about it?} 19:13, 12 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

(Sure, but I cited COMMONANE. None of the IP's targets go to the same section.) Is that really the wording you want to go with? Your repeated invoking of IDONTLIKEIT is a straw man, considering everyone else is citing policy, not personal opinions. Your appeal to "what the actual name clearly is" suggests a complete misunderstanding of our naming conventions. So again I ask, is your position supported by policy? --BDD (talk) 19:29, 12 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose per WP:COMMONNAME. --BDD (talk) 18:18, 12 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per WP:COMMONNAME (which actually does cover names of media/art, not just scientific or birth names). We should go by the title that the show is commonly known as. Even the official VHS releases call the show Muppet Babies, as does IMDb which rarely gets the name of shows and films incorrect. While Jim Henson's Muppet Babies appears to be the official full title, it's not the title most people use. The official title can still be included in the article - that's why we have the "also known as" parameter in the infobox. Pinkadelica^♣ 19:32, 12 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose as well. The current name is far more commonly known and recognizable than the official name. NOTE: This page was previously moved to Jim Henson's Muppet Babies in September 2007 by a user w/o an explanation, nor prior discussion. -- Schfifty3 18:49, 14 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]