User talk:Evildoer187

Notice: I am not exactly what you would call a friendly user. A prolonged period of editing contentious articles has left me jaded and wary of other editors. Those who post on my page should bear that in mind, and come in with a thick skin. You can insult me on here as much as you want (see below), but I will delete all insults directed at other editors.

Also note that I will not tolerate being called a Zionist in a derogatory fashion, or a Mossad agent, or any other racist comments of that nature. If you do so, I will not hesitate to take administrative action against you.

Why?

Apologies, I wasn't aware I'd done so. I may have hit rollback accidentally whilst checking my watchlist. Wee Curry Monster talk 08:42, 17 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Genetic studies on Jews As you were one of participants on this subject, take a look on recent changes.--Tritomex (talk) 08:37, 18 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Sock there blocked. Thanks for the barnstar by the way. Dougweller (talk) 19:37, 18 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:Mentorship

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Hello

I would also like to apologizes - as an old timer I sometimes have a short fuses. (just take your time no need to rush Wiki has been here for years.) As for the American Jews I have decided not to get involved as I believe the parameter |related = is its self a huge problem here on Wiki. You will find it hard to link together "ethnically" Jews and Palatinates here - because of there history (Israeli–Palestinian conflict) - this is despite there genetic link to Kurds, Turks and Armenians - all peoples with genetic markers of ancient populations from the Fertile Crescent - see Haplogroup J-M267 (Y-DNA) this is why the indigenous problem is so big - in genetics it tells us they are all related to a very ancient indigenous population from 30,000 years ago - thus a group of people with there custom's that are less then 3000 years would not be a Founding population in genetics. Moxy (talk) 00:51, 21 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

WP:CANVASS

Please read that link, and then please stop asking specific people who have a history of taking a certain side in disputes to join ones that you are involved in. If you want uninvolved commentary there are a lot of ways to get it, asking friends to join in is not one of them. nableezy - 19:26, 22 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I did not know that.Evildoer187 (talk) 19:27, 22 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Sockpuppetry

Was this you? --(ʞɿɐʇ) ɐuɐʞsǝp 02:17, 23 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

No. I haven't touched that page since Ed reverted it.Evildoer187 (talk) 02:20, 23 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Indeed? That wasn't my question, but fortunately you answered my actual question anyway. --(ʞɿɐʇ) ɐuɐʞsǝp 02:29, 23 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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December 2012

I thought you had better sense than to start an edit war while we were discussing the article in question. I'm disappointed to learn you don't. — Malik Shabazz ^Talk/_Stalk 06:34, 25 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

So I'm edit warring, and he's not? This doesn't make any sense. There was no "discussion" going on, only an argument.Evildoer187 (talk) 06:35, 25 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

There was a discussion in the preceding section about edit-warring at Settler colonialism. I indicated that there was no edit war. So you decided to start one. — Malik Shabazz ^Talk/_Stalk 06:41, 25 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

This edit also makes me wonder whether you're here to contribute to writing an encyclopedia or stir the pot. — Malik Shabazz ^Talk/_Stalk 06:44, 25 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

No, those were good faith edits. Please explain to me what you think is wrong with them and I will try to keep it in mind.

Either way, if it is possible, I would like to block Ubikwit from reading my talk page, posting on it, or viewing my history. I find it hard to collaborate with someone who writes things like....

"You obviously have too much time on your hands. Why don't you look for a job, instead of trying to impede progress of the universal consciousness raising exercise in which we're engaged here? There is no established relevance for the date of establishment of the UNPFII in 1993, for starters. Moving right along, the Israeli NGO you have introduced into this conversation would appear to be a nationalistic 'Israeli' organization recognized by the nation state of Israel and so far removed from having any semblance of a status that would be related to the granting of even tacit recognition to 'Israelis' as indigenous that it doesn't merit the electrons expended to display this text. Furthermore, you have not demonstrated a relevant connection between the OFICL and "Jews" with respect to the question of (the recognition of) indigeneity in Palestine (or was that Israel?), so you are again engaged in an act of duplicitous dissimulation; the Mossad would be proud, maybe you should apply, seeing as you need a job. Hey, if you are going to act as a proxy for the Israeli government, you might as well get paid for it, just like those NGO directors, right?! The administrators can determine during arbitration what relevance the definition you have littered this RfC with has or has not.--Ubikwit (talk) 20:19, 17 December 2012 (UTC)Ubikwit:"

That was directed at me, by the way. As you can see, there is virtually no trust or respect between us, so I would like as little to do with him as possible.Evildoer187 (talk) 06:51, 25 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Other editors—and the general public—can read what's posted on our Talk pages. Please read our WP:Harassment policy; if you feel Ubikwit is hounding you from article to article by watching your edit history, let me know.

Wikipedia is a big place. If the two of you can't voluntarily disengage, I'm sure an involuntary separation can be arranged. — Malik Shabazz ^Talk/_Stalk 07:01, 25 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I will read it right now, because I do feel that he is harassing me. I have filed complaints against him and his editing conduct in the past, but it went largely ignored by other editors. I am not comfortable at all with someone like that going through my talk page, digging up dirt, and then using it against me in unrelated contexts. I don't know how an involuntary separation would work, but I'm at the point where I'm willing to try anything to force him to treat me and other editors with respect.Evildoer187 (talk) 07:14, 25 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

It also appears that Ubikwit has joined in on the edit war. http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Settler_colonialism&diff=529691848&oldid=529690456 Evildoer187 (talk) 07:45, 25 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

You are now a banned user thus a 3RR exemptions applies. What might help is talking and seeing how you can improve your interaction and editing habits here rather then spending this time trying to get others in trouble. Not one time in this whole section have you even inquired about how you can change - instead the whole section is about someone else.Moxy (talk)

That is totally incorrect. Evildoer187 is blocked, not banned. This is an important distinction, in particular because Ubikwit is not exempt from 3RR. Curious that he hasn't been blocked for it, isn't it? --(ʞɿɐʇ) ɐuɐʞsǝp 16:50, 25 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Talking and improving my interaction with Ubikwit isn't going to change anything. Most users are rational enough that such methods would work. Ubikwit is not one of them. The only way I can see this feud being resolved peacefully is if I just throw up my hands and let him have what he wants, which I am unwilling to do. I am not his babysitter. Such users need to be dealt with in a completely different way i.e. filing a request for comment on his editing conduct, which will be my first order of business when I come back.Evildoer187 (talk) 16:57, 25 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, deskana. I also believe that Ubikwit should be blocked. I have found some sources that I would like to use for the settler colonialism page, and I will RfC for other editors to come in and voice their opinions.Evildoer187 (talk) 17:11, 25 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Still no mention of how to improve your relationship with others or your editing habits. I am afraid this ban - I mean block (as I was corrected above) - will not help. As i can see that the actions of others is still your primary concern. -( ʞɿɐʇ) ɐuɐʞsǝp would it be possible for you to mentor this user as you seem very aware of our polices? Moxy (talk) 17:44, 25 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

That actually isn't a bad idea, deskana mentoring me. Needless to say, one thing I already know that I need to change is my anger problems. Wikipedia can be a frustrating experience, so I could use some techniques to keep my temper in check.Evildoer187 (talk) 17:50, 25 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

There are hundreds of policy and guideline pages. However, if you start out by following 8 simple rules, the rest should come naturally....see the essay Wikipedia:8 simple rules for editing our encyclopedia...also our basic policies and guidelines Wikipedia:Simplified ruleset. You seem very willing to help the project in your own way - however we as editors need to understand that this is not a democracy. As you can see above on my mistake about being bannned vs blocked even oldtimers like me make mistakes and have to confront the truth. Have you seen Wikipedia:WikiProject Judaism there you will find other editors that I believe have the same interest as you and have joined together for the purpose of helping each-other and the related articles. Moxy (talk) 19:17, 25 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Sounds like a plan.Evildoer187 (talk) 05:10, 26 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

By the way Malik, it appears that someone has a message for you in the section above.Evildoer187 (talk) 12:46, 25 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

(unindent) I could not commit to being a mentor due to not really knowing what I'm doing (both on- and off-wiki) from one day to the next. However, I would be happy to answer any questions Evildoer (or any other user) might have regarding conduct issues. I do not involve myself with the content issues in areas that I deal with conduct issues, as this keeps me so clueless about the topic matter that I'm actually incapable of being biased since I have no idea what anyone's even talking about. --(ʞɿɐʇ) ɐuɐʞsǝp 21:36, 25 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Please read

Hi Evildoer187. Please read User talk:Ubikwit#My last word. If you have any questions, you may leave them here or on my Talk page. Thank you. — Malik Shabazz ^Talk/_Stalk 04:29, 27 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

It is good to see that he has been blocked. That is all I will say for now.Evildoer187 (talk) 05:13, 27 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Google books

You may find more scholarly references at Google books http://books.google.ca/ - were you can see history on the authors and publishing companies. We have a tool to make the refs for you see - Google book tool - Coverts bare url into {{cite book}} format. We also have ....Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL Moxy (talk) 20:32, 27 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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This may be usefull [1]--Shrike (talk)/WP:RX 13:59, 30 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

You have my gratitude.Evildoer187 (talk) 15:21, 30 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Genetic studies on Jews

As you are one of editor involved in this subject, please take part in talk page discussion.--Tritomex (talk) 14:23, 30 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Ancestry

Please don't take this personally, but I'm just curious, because the prose on your userpage seems to contradict your userbox. Are you of Jewish ancestry, Arab ancestry, or both? -- YPN YPN ✡ 20:42, 1 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Mizrahi Jewish ancestry. So yes, I am both.Evildoer187 (talk) 20:52, 1 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Claims Jews are not an ethnic group

Hi! I went on the Germans page and saw that on the collage they put Einstein and Marx, who were obviously not German. I opened a discussion on the topic on the talk page, and I got a bunch of Germans saying Jews are not an ethnic group but a religion. Could you join the discussion and help explain them that Jews are an ethnic group and Einstein (who identified as a Jew) and Marx are Jewish.

[2] I guess Germans have a thing for trying to make the Jewish ethnicity not exist. Guitar hero on the roof (talk) 18:44, 5 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]