Talk:Kurds

Language group

I recommend changing spoken language to "Northwestern Iranian language" from "Iranic" langauge, as it's more specific, considering there are tens of Iranian langauges, not counting all INDO-Iranian langauges. The English speak a West-Germanic langauge, the French speak a Gallo-Italic langauge, the Russians speak an East-Slavic language. It is relevant to distinguish.

Iranic people?

Kurdish people are different from iranic people you can't just say that 50 million people are iranic it's wrong different culture and traditions mind as well change the article name to Iranian people

Iranic in the sense that they speak an Iranic language, have Iranic traditions, belonged to (and some still do) Iranic religions (Yezidism, Zoroastrianism, Mithraism), are genetically closer to their Iranic neighbours than to their other neighbours (Arabs, Turks), and most identify with this identity. If you, however, feel that there are scholars and/or academics out there that believe that Kurds are not Iranic, feel free to mention them here and we'll be able to continue this discussion.

Regards, --Hvakshahtrah (talk) 17:21, 3 February 2013 (UTC)

Other religions

Jews and Christians who lived among the Kurds were not Kurds and shouldn't be counted as such. Hexagram is a very popular figure in Islamic art (see Commons:Category:Hexagrams in Islam), I doubt this one has anything to do with "Kurdish Jews".--Rafy talk 19:59, 29 December 2012 (UTC)

Do you have any sources for this?. It's a bit strange to claim that Jews and Christians living among Kurds aren't Kurds. Especially considering the fact that Jewish Kurds and Christian Kurds are very common in Iraqi Kurdistan ~ Zirguezi 19:14, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

This is a very basic fact for anyone with minimum knowledge of the region. Every single scholarly work on minorities in Kurdistan speak of Jews and Christians as two distinct ethnoreligious communities.

This source describes the Kurds as "mostly Sunni, and the rest Shi'ite" living among other minorities such as Muslim Turks and Arabs and various Christian and Jewish sects. another one also describes Jews and Christians in Kurdistan as "religious, ethnic and cultural minorities".

Let's also not forget that all censuses in the region count Jews, Christians and Kurds as three distinct ethnoreligious groups.--Rafy talk 20:40, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

So, you are going to take Kurdish Christians to AfD? Seriously? And Kurdish Jews? Get those deleted first and then come back here. Dougweller (talk) 21:35, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

Both those articles seem to have a fair amount of WP:RS. I note that recent conversion to Christianity amongst the Kurds has been a feature. Does a Kurd cease to be a Kurd on conversion? Also, why can there be British Jews, Italian Jews, Arab Jews etc etc but not Kurdish Jews? DeCausa (talk) 22:17, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

Both of those articles suffer some major flows. While there is no doubt that some medieval western travellers and distant Christians called the mountain Nestorians "Kurds" as did Marco Polo and that one dubious "Coptic source", Kurd back then merely meant nomad regardless of ethnic origin. An example of this is evident in the way Arabs were dubbed "Kurds of Suristan" by Persians. I will take this issue to that article.

Kurdish Jews is a name used to denote Jews who lived among Kurds, they were also called "Assyrian Jews" by the way. Just as Persian Jews, Turkish Jews, Arab Jews, are not ethnically Persian, Turkish or Arab, Kurdish Jews are not ethnically Kurdish.

Of course there is no doubt that there are many modern converts to Christianity and less to Judaism among the Kurds who still retain their ethnic identity, they just shouldn't be confused with historical Jewish and Christian communities there which pre-date the Kurds.--Rafy talk 00:44, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

I take it that no one would object if I replaced this section with what the Encyclopaedia of Islam had to say on the subject.--Rafy talk 04:10, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

You might get an informed response if you tell us what it says or if possible give us a link. Dougweller (talk) 11:25, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

Especially if you are replacing the current text. As that is sourced I'm assuming you're only talking about adding material, however.— Preceding unsigned comment added by DeCausa (talk • contribs) 14:54, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

The EOI vol.5 pp.474-475 clearly states that Christianity flourished in Kurdistan until the the Mongol invasions, it also says that the ancestors of the Kurds could have followed the Sassanian official religion before turning to Islam.

By the way the only reference here given to Kurdish Jews deals with the Jews in Kurdistan, more relevant to Kurdistan than here imo.--Rafy talk 14:56, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

Isvady says "The Talmud holds that Jewish deportees were settled in Kurdistan 2800 years ago by the Assyrian king Shalmaneser ... As indicated in the Talmud, the Jews eventually were given permission by the rabbinic authorities to convert local Kurds." [1]. Dougweller (talk) 16:38, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

Izady the expert of pre-history of the ME, Babylonian Judaism, Syriac Christianity, Anatolian languages, is a very dubious source. You can find countless complaints about his claims everywhere.

If you can access JSTOR you my want to check some reviewed papers on the subject of Jewish Adiabene like this and this. Needless to say, they don't support Izady's claims.--Rafy talk

Ancient Fathers of Kurds

Lullubis are not fathers of Kurds-also the Crytiians are a tribe, not race-. I read almast all encylopedias about Kurds and only Wikipedia claims that Lullubis are one of the fathers of Kurds. Lullubis are fathers of Lurs and they lived in the today's Luristan area. Encylopedia Americana, Soviet enclopedia, Collier's encylopedi, encylopedia Britannica...Non of them mentions Lullubis in the article about Kurds. There is only one source about that and because of that you don't tend to delete this information. But I can show you many sources that claims Kurds are Arabs or fathers of Kurds are Turks. So what now? If I add them and show sources for them, you don't delete them? Kurds are simply Medo-Gutians. But you claim that almost all of ancient people of Middle East are Kurds. Arabs claims that Kurds are Arabs and you can find many sources about it. Turks claims that Kurds are Turks and you can find many sources about it. Even Hungarians claims that Kurds are Magyars and you can find many sources about it. For example, Turkish author Ali Tayyar Önder wrote in his book that Kurds, Circassians, Bosnians, most of ancient Middle Easterns are Turks. So what now? If I add these bullshites and show you "sources" about it-Ali Tayyar's books- you accept it? I mean there are so many "sources" about everything. My advice to you, if a "source" that doesn't written by a Kurdologist, do not accept it. I want to correct this page but I cannot. Please help... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.174.135.194 (talk) 11:26, 5 February 2013 (UTC)

Crytiians were a tribe, not a racial group. And Lullubi region is today's Lorestan. Just look this map: http://www.azerbaijans.com/content_364_tr.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.174.135.194 (talk) 11:51, 5 February 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 27 February 2013

Some population figures at this source "http://www.institutkurde.org/en/kurdorama/" is not included at that page. I want to edit , and add some missing figures. For example population figures in Italy and Norway etc. Thank you ...

U.yilmaz (talk) 15:16, 27 February 2013 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Without your indicating the exact figures you want to add, and where you want to add them, it's hard to evaulate your proposal. Rivertorch (talk) 18:05, 27 February 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 28 February 2013

Please add 25.000 Kurds in Denmark. Thank You.

http://www.olestig.dk/tyrkiet/index.html

U.yilmaz (talk) 19:19, 28 February 2013 (UTC)

Could you please provide the exact URL that states there are 25.000 Kurds in Denmark? GoingBatty (talk) 15:07, 6 March 2013 (UTC)

 Done - referenced http://www.olestig.dk/sprog/kurdisk.html -GoingBatty (talk) 15:13, 6 March 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 13 March 2013

Related ethinic Group Balouch)

Askani321 (talk) 14:13, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. —KuyaBriBri^Talk 14:52, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

Pictures

Why aren't there any pictures of famous Kurds above the infobox? I would change that, but I don't have the rights. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Saupoet (talk • contribs) 13:21, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

there is picture you can use it Kurdish People.jpg — Preceding unsigned comment added by Baran Azad (talk • contribs) 17:38, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

AFAIK the image was deleted due to some copyright issues. You can try placing individual pictures as in this template to avoid this issue in the future.--Kathovo talk 12:49, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

Kurds in Lebanon

The guy who removed the text and claimed there are no Kurds in Lebanon and Israel, can explain what is this BBC report about? Roboskiye (talk) 22:07, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

Because Mhallamis are not ethnic Kurds, the article in Wikipedia itself took much of its content from the now redirect Muslim Assyrians, There is no denying that some Mhallamis identify as Kurds as others prefer Arabs or Kurds, afaik most simply call themselves Mhallamis. Same goes for those Jews whom language is called Kurdit in modern Israeli Hebrew although it is actually Aramaic and has nothing to do with Kurdish, hence the confusion.--Kathovo talk 12:45, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

I'm talking about Kurds, who speak Kurdish, identify themselves as Kurds and number about 100 000 in a tiny country called Lebanon. Roboskiye (talk) 00:25, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

I'm not sure what the content of that Persian BBC article is but I can assure you that there are no other substantial "Kurdish" communities in Lebanon other than those Mhallamis.--Kathovo talk 11:06, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 16 April 2013

As you can see according to reference (7 ^ a b c d e f g h i j k The cultural situation of the Kurds, A report by Lord Russell-Johnston, Council of Europe, July 2006.) Kurdish people in Great Britain are only 90,000, which is completely an accurate surveying because it has been conducted in 2006. if we look at the recent surveying which was conducted in 2009, it shows that the Kurdish community in great Britain are approximately 200,000. please see the reference below "Journal of Ethnic and Migration Studies" (2009), Workplace Problems Among Kurdish Workers in London: Experiences of an ‘Invisible’ Community and the Role of Community Organisations as Support Networks, retrieved 15 April 2012.

please correct this.

Ari

Goran85 (talk) 09:17, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

Collage created - can someone copy-paste it to the article?

I created a collage of famous Kurds:

|image =

|caption = Notable Kurds:
Dlawer Ala'Aldeen • Saladin • Sharaf Khan Bidlisi Abdullah Öcalan

Can someone add it to the article? I can't edit!