Talk:Cyprus

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Please unlock the article if you want to call yourself's democrats.

If you want to split the article there is no problem at all. Just make sure you give emphasize to the fact that this island has been Hellenized (Greek) the last 34 centuries! The island of Cyprus has been Hellenized by Achaean/Mycenaeans from the 14th century B.C. (most Achaean's come between 13th-11th century B.C.), and another Greek tribe, the Dorian's come at 11th century B.C. The island of Cyprus has been Hellenized much earlier than other Greek territories like Epirus, Macedonia, Thrace, Ionian islands, Dodecanese, Ionia (Asia Minor), Attalea, Cappadocia, Karamania, Pontus and Constantinople.

The only other settlers of Cyprus were the Phoenicians who lived only in the city of Kition between 8th-3th century B.C When the Macedonians of Plolemaos gained control of the island, all Phoenicians returned to there metropolis in what is today Lebanon.

All occupators eventually left Cyprus with the exception of the so called Turkish Cypriots, who illegally settle in Cyprus after 1571. When the British empire bought Cyprus, the Turkish population started to leave (they new that they were not the native legal population of the island) and going back to turkey, but the English stooped them. The English wanted some Turkish population in Cyprus so that the autochthonus (natives) Greeks could not demand Enosis (unification with the Greek state).

There are thousands of sources that proves that this island has been Greek the last 34 centuries. The Turkish ethnic groub (Seljuks and Ottomans) arrived at what is now eastern Turkey at 1071 (battle of Matjicert). The Greeks were leaving in Asia Minor (Turkey) 2000 years before the Turks. The Greeks were leaving in Cyprus, the island of the Greek goddess Aphrodite 3000 years before the Turks! I dare you to split the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.152.9.101 (talk) 15:52, 18 February 2013 (UTC)

ETHNIC GROUPS: GREEKS AND TURKS

It is embarrassing and simultaneously a Greek Cypriot leftist propaganda to say that the ethnic groups of Cyprus are Greek Cypriots and Turkish Cypriots. There is no “Greek Cypriot” ethnic group, just Greek! Greek Cypriots are the ethnically Greek population of Cyprus. There is no ελληνοκυπριακό έθνος, μόνο ελληνικό! Until 2011 everything was okay. In this page, where it says ethnic groups it said 77% Greeks, 18% Turks, 5% others. Suddenly you changed it. In Switzerland there are Germans, French and Italians. There is no German Swiss ethnic group, just German. You know I am 100% right but you will do nothing about it, because this page is controlled by leftist-communist Greek Cypriots who wants to create an ethnogenesis, a new “Cypriot” ethnic group. The same thing happened in Montenegro (they are Serbians), Moldova (Romanians), Austria (Germans), Wallonia (French), Flanders (Dutch) etc. Democracy is dying with your actions but Cypriot Hellenism will not! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.152.9.101 (talk) 16:13, 18 February 2013 (UTC)

Census of the Republic of Cyprus, page 5: http://www.cystat.gov.cy/mof/cystat/statistics.nsf/All/9A05409282DFB0A4C2257998003E5F80/$file/Census2011-HHQST-EN-010611.pdf?OpenElement --Lfdder (talk) 16:29, 18 February 2013 (UTC)

CIA world factbook

The CIA world factbook is a recognised reliable source used in many country articles on Wikipedia. It is unacceptable and against widespread consensus to remove it from this article. Δρ.Κ. ^{λόγοςπράξις} 17:51, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

If you're gonna swear by the World Factbook, you should--at least--be consistent. The ethnic groups listed on there are "Greek" and "Turkish". I do not consider the World Factbook to be a reliable source at any rate. Really, "unacceptable"? Looks like everyone's got a knack for big words around here. --Lfdder (talk) 17:57, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

I am not "swearing" by anything. Please look at the usage of this resource on Wikipedia. It speaks for itself. As far as the naming of the ethnic groups, as "Greek" and "Cypriot" their self-appellation is Greek Cypriot and Turkish Cypriot so it improves accuracy to call them by what they call themselves and it minimises confusion viz. emigrants or settlers from Greece or Turkey. Δρ.Κ. ^{λόγοςπράξις} 18:07, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

Fair enough. I don't think arguing about this is gonna get us anywhere anyway. --Lfdder (talk) 18:11, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

I agree. Best regards. Δρ.Κ. ^{λόγοςπράξις} 18:14, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

Tracked this split down to be from the 1960 census so I've taken the % out. — Lfdder (talk) 12:27, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

Population

Should we not be clear whether we are reporting the population of the entire island or the "southern" part of the island? The population of the "northern" portion is quite clear. We have an obligation to be clear to our readers. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.199.42.178 (talk) 09:07, 16 June 2013 (UTC)

So, 150.000 or 180.000 Greek Cypriots evicted from their homes?

In first paragraph it writes: "The intercommunal violence and subsequent Turkish invasion led to the displacement of over 150,000 Greek Cypriots[19][20] and 50,000 Turkish Cypriots,[21] and the establishment of a separate Turkish Cypriots political entity in the north.". Further down it writes: "International pressure led to a ceasefire, and by then 37% of the island had been taken over by the Turks and 180,000 Greek-Cypriots had been evicted from their homes in the north. At the same time, around 50,000 Turkish Cypriots moved to the areas under the control of the Turkish Forces and settled in the properties of the displaced Greek Cypriots." I wonder which claim is the true one? This is kinda confusing me. 30.000 its a lot of difference to just ignore it. --SilentResident (talk) 20:11, 14 July 2013 (UTC)

SilentResident, you will find sources stating over 150 to 200 thousand, the exact number of refugees depending on the methodology used to define the refugees. There are various parameters which different sources take into account thereby arriving at different numbers. For instance one may or may not be counting the wife in a family, if the wife prior to the invasion was from a city which is still free, versus the husband who's home is under occupation by Turks from Anatolia. So the numbers vary, and i think it is rational. The extend of the damage being 1/3 of the population roughly of the time. Why is it of such importance if it is 160, 170 or 210 thousands? What changes? If you are thinking of a way to calculate the amount due from Turkey for loss of use of property, then bare in mind that a families children and grant children even if they never lived in their fathers and grandfathers properties they are considered refugees also. 23x2 _φ 14:56, 21 July 2013 (UTC)