Talk:Hertha BSC

Dates & dashes

En dashes should be used in scorelines and only full dates and dates with a day and month should be wikilinked, including in the footnotes. See Wikipedia:Manual of Style (dashes) and Wikipedia:Manual of Style (dates and numbers). Epbr123 20:50, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

After reviewing the style manual links you provided: the wikilinking of years appears to be something that is up in the air and looks to depend on the preference of various editors; there is no reference at all to the use of dashes in sports scores that I could see - the use of a colon is a common convention in German football, and so can at least be said to fit the context in the absence of a hard and fast rule. ??? Wiggy! 02:36, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Hertha BSC vs Hertha BSC Berlin

Since the B in BSC already stands for "Berliner" and the official name is "Hertha BSC", I think the title of this page should only be "Hertha BSC". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.53.194.205 (talk) 15:04, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Agreed. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 10:42, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

The organization's own offical logo - prominently displayed in the article - seems to belie the notion. Best to just leave it be perhaps. Wiggy! (talk) 19:18, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

Also, keep in mind, Hertha BSC Berlin is not the only club in Germany with the Hertha in its name, I know of at least two more. My recommendation is to stick with the current name. EA210269 (talk) 04:25, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

Maybe if I can further suggest, Gruene's Vereinslexikon is recognized as a definitive reference for German football clubs, and we might point to it as an authority? I'm pretty sure it uses Hertha BSC Berlin. Using that book as a standard might help avoid a lot of argument ... Wiggy! (talk) 02:10, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

The official name of the club is Hertha BSC (see official club page and Bundesliga club page). The "Berlin" has been added to the crest sometime in the 1990s or even later in order to create a regional identity for the club. In any case, the article should run und either "Hertha BSC" or "Hertha BSC Berlin" as "Hertha Berlin" is definitely not the name to go here. Nevertheless, the latter form surely has to be referenced in the first sentence of the article lead because the English media uses this form a lot (for some weird reason). --Soccer-holic (talk) 12:12, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

I completely agree with this. The club is called "Hertha Berliner Sportclub", IIRC, so to refer to it as "Hertha BSC Berlin" is tautologous. "Hertha BSC" is the only feasible title, IMO. – PeeJay 12:36, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

Isn't the clear common name Hertha Berlin, I never hear it referred to as anything but Hertha Berlin. chandler · 12:42, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

Obviously depends on where you life, where I come from it was always Hertha BSC or just Hertha. But the official name seems to be Hertha BSC Berlin, as in the logo. EA210269 (talk) 12:49, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

Well this isn't about in Germany but English common name chandler · 13:06, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

Well, if common name is the way to go, we be moving Manchester United to Man U now, as it seems to be what everybody calls it nowadays. Can't we just approach it scientifically, as an Enciclopedia might be expected to do and stick with the proper name? I think it would take a lot of debate out of naming articles! EA210269 (talk) 13:14, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

Come on, that's a blatantly false analogy. Common name IS the way to go, and that's official. Beve (talk) 14:55, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

The only two logial choises are Hertha BSC and Hertha Berlin. I have no problem with either, but we should all agree that Hertha BSC Berlin is derived from a misunderstanding of the crest? -- Grant.Alpaugh 17:20, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

Its not from a misunderstanding of the crest. Its whats used in Vereinslexikon and thats a reliable source. You must have missed my arguments above on the point. That said, I don't have a problem with Hertha Berlin. Hertha BSC is not transparent enough for use in an Englsih language encyclopedia as it assumes an understanding on the part of the reader that might not exist. Wiggy! (talk) 17:56, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

From the club's official website "In 1920 the sportingly successful Hertha merged with the rich Berliner Sport-Club. From then on the new club was known as Hertha BSC." I agree that the article should either be at Hertha BSC (official) or Hertha Berlin (common). пﮟოьεԻ 57 23:59, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

To me, Hertha Berlin remains ambigious as there are three clubs in Berlin that carry Hertha in their name. Hertha BSC is the better choice for me. EA210269 (talk) 00:22, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

Agreed. Let's put the article at Hertha BSC. --Soccer-holic (talk) 15:26, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

Thirded - the article should be moved to Hertha BSC. GiantSnowman 17:13, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

(4) Okay, now we're getting down to it. I'm good for Hertha BSC, but someone should also set up redirects for Hertha Berlin and Hertha BSC Berlin. And maybe a disambiguation page for the term "Hertha", which should help cover off the multiple Hertha's in existence? And maybe leave off for a day to let everyone chime in if that's okay? Ill drop a note to User:Kingjeff who's be occasionally involved in this so he knows what's up and we're all onside. Wiggy! (talk) 18:40, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

Hertha already exists as a disambiguation page, linking to both Hertha BSC and Hertha Zehlendorf, that bit is easy. EA210269 (talk) 23:01, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

The question is what is the common name in english? On the official english version website I either see Hertha or Hertha BSC. If my memory serves me correctly, the wikipedia page name 1. FC Nuremberg went from 1. FC Nürnberg to 1. FC Nuremberg based on the official english website for 1. FC Nürnberg. So, it's probably should be Hertha BSC since Hertha would not be a feasible option. Kingjeff (talk) 02:10, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

Agreed. Madcynic (talk) 11:44, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

By the looks of things, Hertha BSC is the consensus name. Anyone wants to move the pages? Kingjeff (talk) 03:28, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

For the record, [UEFA] uses "Hertha BSC Berlin." Kingjeff (talk) 22:04, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

What will be happening to the category, its still at Hertha BSC Berlin? EA210269 (talk) 01:04, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

Should be at Hertha BSC. Kingjeff (talk) 02:24, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

Its a lot of articles that need to be changed then, over 200 Hertha-player articles for example! EA210269 (talk) 02:28, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

I don't think we can do it over night. Kingjeff (talk) 02:42, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

I don't think, the editor that originally moved the article away from Hertha BSC Berlin gave this any thought. Its easy to press the move button on the article itself but moving all associated categories is a lot of work! Maybe, those that supported the move so strongly and insisted on an English common name need to step in and get to work. EA210269 (talk) 02:47, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

I know. I would prefer Hertha BSC Berlin. How many people will know that B will stand for Berlin? I have mentioned 2 websites that have 3 different english names for this club. Although 1 one of them (Hertha) isn't feasible. Kingjeff (talk) 02:59, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

Maybe we should collect a number of english websites and see what they use? Kingjeff (talk) 03:10, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

List of websites using...

This section is to help us see what the common name in english is. I know there are millions of them. Maybe if we pick the better english websites, then it can help us determine what the most suitable name to use for the clubs. NOTE: THIS IS NOT A VOTE. Kingjeff (talk) 03:59, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

Hertha BSC Berlin

1. The Sports Network, Canadian sports TV Station.
2. UEFA, Europe's governing body for football/soccer.
3. Rogers Sportsnet, Canadian sports TV station.

Hertha BSC

1. Hertha's english website, The Bundesliga club's official website.
2. The Bundesliga's english website, The official Bundesliga website.

Hertha Berlin

1. Soccernet.com, ESPN's soccer news website.
2. Yahoo.com, soccer section for yahoo.com.
3. BBC.co.uk, British TV station.

Hertha in Europe

An anonymous user recently added a section on Hertha's record in UEFA competitions, as seen on other club pages. (see FC Vaduz for example.) The section was horribly incomplete, so I took the liberty of out-commenting it for the time being. It raises the question: is a section like this even necessary? For a smaller club without much text as far as the history of the club and similar things I can understand adding table like this simply to give the article some more substance, but on a larger article like this one the information seems almost trivial. What are your thoughts? –Sir Sputnik (talk) 14:38, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

I actually prefer a table that includes Wins-Draws-Losses. Kingjeff (talk) 04:02, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Care to explain why? –Sir Sputnik (talk) 17:25, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

I prefer to see the details. Saying what round they made it to doesn't really say much. Kingjeff (talk) 20:33, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

I agree on that point. If a table is to be included it should definitely indicate a precise record. However what I intended with this discussion is whether or not a table should be included in the first place. I personally think that it shouldn't be. Someone looking to see how Hertha did in an UEFA competition is more likely to look up the article for that competition, and not this one. Furthermore, I don't particularly want to set a precedent, since no other Bundesliga club includes a table. –Sir Sputnik (talk) 14:51, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Logo

Can somebody change the logo to the logo of the germen Wiki? This is the official logo with the written "Hertha BSC", here is the 90´s version with the oldtype flag inside the ring....85.178.172.241 (talk) 01:17, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

Morales' nationality

It seems we have somewhat of an edit war on our hands. He has a reasonable claim to three nationalities, Germany by virtue of having been born there, USA having been called up to the US U-21 team (according to transfermarkt.de), and Peru as Mr. Morales has stated his desire to play for that country in the future. I do not have an opinion on the matter, but would prefer to see the matter settled by discussion rather than constant reversion. I, therefore, invite all interested parties to discuss the matter here. Sir Sputnik (talk) 21:08, 17 October 2011 (UTC). Morales was called to USA and accepted the calling, so he have to be with the american flag.

You can use different nationalities, too. German Wikipedia always puts every nationality, maybe someone plays for a country, but that doesn't mean that he isn't from another country, as well, e.g. Podolski he is both german and polish, but he can play for only one country.--SamWinchester000 (talk) 01:04, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

Hertha BSC's "Squad of the Century"

How official is this "Squad of the Century", given that the reference is off-line? It seems to be clear example of Wikipedia:Recentism, given that it includes only one player of the greatest-ever Hertha team that played in six consecutive German championship finals and won two. I think this should eiter be replaced with something more official or be removed! Calistemon (talk) 04:35, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

It's official it was voted by the club's members at the 111th birthday of the club.--SamWinchester000 (talk) 01:06, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

Change the new logo

Please change the new logo: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/de/thumb/8/81/Hertha_BSC_Logo_2012.svg/500px-Hertha_BSC_Logo_2012.svg.png