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History

On October 12, 1853, Amos Tuck of Exeter, New Hampshire called together a dozen representatives of four separate abolitionist political parties: the Independent Democrats, the Whigs, the Free Soil Party and the Know Nothing (or American) Party. The purpose of this Exeter meeting was to form a new, combined party. At this meeting, Tuck suggested the name: The Republican Party. (citation: Birth of the Republican Party, Hugh Gregg. In late 1853, Horace Greely a wrote of this meeting.) — Preceding unsigned comment added by ExeterGOPer (talk • contribs) 19:27, 2 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Political position

I know it's debatable whether the Republicans are center-right or right-wing and whether the Democrats are centrist or center-left, but is it not general consensus that when compared to one another, the Republicans are to the right of the Democrats and the Democrats are to the left of the Republicans? Providing this was sourced, could it be added to the article?--Jay942942 (talk) 20:43, 3 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Isn't it already noted in the article when it says the GOP is conservative and the Democrats are liberals? Toa Nidhiki05 21:09, 3 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I think the original request by Jay942942 was for specific use of the words left and right (inherited, I'll note, from a seating arrangement that developed in the French National Assembly at the onset of its revolution in 1789). Particularly with that etymology in mind, I personally don't see left and right as more explanatory than conservative and liberal, but perhaps others do. It seems innocuous enough to add. I will do so shortly. OK? ChrisJBenson (talk) 14:16, 9 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
'left' and 'right' terms began in France 1790s and reached the US in the early 20th century. Since the 1930s they include "liberal" and "conservative" except that "Far Left/New Left" and "Liberal" elements in US have been quite hostile to each other since 1940 or so. GOP= right is fine with me Rjensen (talk) 15:34, 9 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I don't have a problem with this as long as 'left' is added to the Democratic Party article. Toa Nidhiki05 15:52, 9 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
but it's not symmetrical. the parties are not mirror images of each other. Rjensen (talk) 15:54, 9 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I understand some people take offense to the idea that the Democratic Party represents the political left of the United States, but the fact of the matter is that it does; in a two-party system, one will lean to the right and the other will lean to the left. In the US, the right is represented by the GOP and the left is represented by the Democrats. The current well-thought out consensus is to not include anything relating to political position on both articles. As far as I am concerned, any changes should apply to both articles. Toa Nidhiki05 16:04, 9 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
well no, both parties are complex coalitions. The great majority of GOP elements are "right" but not so for the Democrats. The Dems have important "center" and "liberal" components as well as a "left." Rjensen (talk) 22:05, 9 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
And yet the leadership of the Democratic Party (Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, Barack Obama) consists entirely of liberals - who occupy the left of the US political spectrum. Toa Nidhiki05 22:12, 9 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
They're in the center, with GOP to their right. Rjensen (talk) 20:17, 14 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
No, they are not. They are social liberals, an ideology widely regarded as belonging to the center-left in most of the world. Similarly, the Republican Party is accepted as a member of the International Democrat Union, an international alliance of center-right political parties. Toa Nidhiki05 20:50, 14 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
My my! It's getting as rowdy as the House of Commons in here! In the context of the global political spectrum, America's two main parties are not far apart. Both parties are clearly centre-right from the global median, (no matter which umbrella organization accepts them). The meaning of terms like "liberal" and "socialism" have devolved so far in America that they can no longer be used constructively in an international forum like this. But I'd like to get back to the original context. I believe that it is generally "accepted" and "acceptable to state" that the Democratic Party is to the left of, and the Republican Party to the right of the other one. There is necessarily a symmetry to their relative overall position, and by not considering absolute position on either a local or global spectrum, we avoid this kind of contention (and dodeca-indenting). Returning to User:Jay942942's original question, yes after consideration, I do think this article would benefit from a clarification such as this:
The Republican Party is positioned to the right of the Democratic Party in the political spectrum.
With thanks ChrisJBenson (talk) 03:38, 22 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Benjamin Harrison, George W. Bush "moderate"

On what spectrum would Benjamin Harrison, William McKinley and George W. Bush be considered "moderate"? Bush called himself a "compassionate conservative". Most people identify him as a conservative. Same with Benjamin Harrison and McKinley, the conservatives of the 19th century. I object to this terminology. 74.69.9.224 (talk) 21:13, 30 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

yes I agree. They were all best characterized as "conservative." Most historians agree, I believe. Rjensen (talk) 21:52, 30 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Banana Republicans

Banana Republicans

It should be noted in the article that due to their inability to govern the current member of the GOP are being referred to as the "Banana Republicans." Red trashcan (talk) 02:24, 2 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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