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Pronoun Errors

There are a number of problems in this article regarding her pronouns:

-In 'Early Life', the third sentence begins with 'Eventually his', referring to her incorrectly.

-In 'Music career', the second sentence refers to Petras with 'her videos, which included some of his own compositions', once again mistakenly referring to her as 'his'. In the next paragraph, a sentence makes the same error: 'A few months later in September 2008, she released his first', meaning Petras.

-In the last paragraph of 'Publicity', the sentence 'in an interview about his surgery she stated' once again mistakenly refers to Petras with both 'he' and 'she'.

I don't think it's a huge problem, because it seems like someone tried to correct her pronouns from an earlier, incorrect article, but it gives off a very confusing and conflicting vibe for anyone who might happen across the article because the work isn't finished. Everydayatjunessucks (talk) 08:20, 29 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I think I got the last few. Does anyone spot any more? Qwyrxian (talk) 09:59, 29 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Edit request on 17 January 2013

I am an official representative of Kim Petras. Much of the information on this page is incorrect and we would like the chance to update it; either temporarily unprotect the page for us to make the necessary changes or take the page down entirely please. PSPR2012 (talk) 00:11, 17 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

WP:COI may be a page you should read on. ZappaOMati 00:51, 17 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
It would be best to post what information is incorrect so it can be fixed, citing reliable sources. "X should be Y" as can be seen on this WP:Reliable source. Obviously we want the best information possible. Insomesia (talk) 02:36, 17 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Indeed, please, message one of us with whatever you do know so that we can update whatever is necessary. Surely for anything more than a minor correction, a source could be found somewhere, right? Unfortunately getting the page unprotected requires a moderator, and in my estimation would not be the best idea as a lot of people could come in and vandalize the article. But yes, we of course want things as accurate as possible, so feel free to let us know just what is wrong. We're not, however, going to remove all of what we *do* have just because someone claims to be a representative. MXVN (talk) 10:50, 15 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Undue Prominence given to former name

It would appear that undue prominence is now being given to Kims former name. This is surely inappropriate given the circumstances. I'm not sure if this has come about along the way due to the intense amount of vandalism this article has received or if it is an accident of a more innocent nature, but it's certainly not appropriate to include it like that in Bold at the top of the article. To quote the wikipedia guidelines "Wikipedia editors must not act, intentionally or otherwise, in a way that amounts to participating in or prolonging the victimization."

Kims former name was already previously mentioned in the article, which itself is perhaps a questionable act but this recent edit giving it undue prominence is entirely inappropriate.

Kystal (talk) 01:39, 28 March 2013 (UTC)Kystal[reply]

Please see WP:LEAD, which says in part, "The name of a person is presented in full if known, including any given names that are not included in the article's title or are abbreviated there. For example, the article on Calvin Coolidge gives his name as John Calvin Coolidge, Jr. If a person has a commonly known nickname, used in lieu of a given name, it is presented between quote marks following the last given name or initial, as for John F. Kennedy, which has John Fitzgerald "Jack" Kennedy." Kim Petras's given name is Tim Petras; as such, we must include it in the lead. This is no different than including the pre-married name of a woman who changes her name after marriage. Also, I don't know what "victimization" you're talking about. There's no victimizing involved in giving someone's birth name. Qwyrxian (talk) 05:39, 28 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for that Qwyrxian, it's helpful. However Kim has clearly legally changed her given name and I wouldn't have thought that Tim could be considered a commonly known nickname for her because she has only ever been well known as Kim and the usage of the name "Tim" has only been in attempts to bully her. The victimisation I am talking to refers to bullying around her medical history. It also refers to the fact that the male name assigned to her a while after birth is part of the violation she experienced as a child assigned the wrong gender. Clearly she is keen to be free of that violation and abuse. Anyway it is clear that Kims given name is not Tim but Kim, so there is actually no need to give this undue prominence in this way and as I suggest, wikipedia guidelines make it clear we should not. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kystal (talk • contribs) 10:45, 28 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Apologies, Krystal, I forgot about this. You raise interesting points; I still think you are wrong, but I'm not certain. I'm going to ask at the BLP noticeboard for more input. Qwyrxian (talk) 23:33, 31 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
We should definitely fix this according to the following: "For transgender and intersex people it is usually unneeded to put information on their gender, including an apparently male or female birth name, in the lead of the article, especially on a BLP. Often this should be woven into an 'Early life' section". Ironically this was the way the article was some time ago.Kystal (talk) 13:32, 26 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Should it, then, still be mentioned one time in that section (by the birth date, perhaps)? MXVN (talk) 11:15, 15 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry for just jumping into the discussion; I won't pretend I know I huge deal about Petras -- for starters, I only knew her birth name was Tim by looking on this talk page. However, that name is not currently in the article anywhere (it's in one of the references but the information is not in the article). I won't edit this as there is a discussion going on and it would be improper to just take it into my own hands, but I have a suggestion: If she changed her name, then I am agreed it should say Kim Petras; however, would it not be appropriate to follow suit of other pages in the same situation -- for example, Teller (the magician)'s page has it set out as:

Teller, (Born Raymond Joseph Teller),

And then goes on with the article using his legal name. I believe this is quite similar in Petras case, for both are publicly known only by their legal name. Just my thought on this, thanks. Lord loss210 (talk) 10:16, 27 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

New Site

I recently registered this account so I cannot edit protected articles yet. Could someone with permission update her site URL? As of today (July 5th) her official site is http://www.kimpetras.com/ and http://kimpetrasonline.com/ is no longer available. If a source is necessary, here is her announcement about the new site on her official twitter: https://twitter.com/IKimPetras/status/352084826578362368 Eduardo Neuhaus (talk) 09:00, 5 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

 Done--Auric talk 13:34, 5 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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