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Neutrality tag...

...removed until whoever inserted it can actually be bothered to write here about why they dispute the neutrality.BaseTurnComplete (talk) 23:32, 29 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Title

Wikipedia:WikiProject Peerage#Pages on peerages states the following:

"A peer's article should be at "Name, (Ordinal) Rank (of) Title"…except in cases where the title is never (or hardly ever) used."

It further states:

"Wives of peers, when the title is used in the article name (the same rules apply as for substantive peers as to whether it should be), should have their married surnames."

As with Bertrand Russell, whose article is at that name rather than "Bertrand Russell, 3rd Earl Russell", this article should be at Kathleen Kennedy Cavendish. She was always known as Kathleen or "Kick" Kennedy and never as Lady Cavendish. I will move it there shortly if there are no substantive objections. Mike R (talk) 14:52, 18 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I certainly object to "Kathleen Kennedy Cavendish", as you've just said she was known as "Kathleen Kennedy", and it was never her name. (And it's hardly surprising she wasn't known as "Lady Cavendish", since she was Lady Hartington.) Proteus (Talk) 08:28, 20 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I understand that the title of this article is as it is to conform to the WikiProject rule, "Wives of peers, when the title is used in the article name, should have their married surnames." I believe, however, that this rule is unprecented, arbitrary, and that it diverges unreasonably from the usual practice of encyclopedists writing about history.

Wives of titled men are always listed by the maiden names in works of historical reference. That's because the antecedents and connections of women who marry titled noblemen and royals are of great historical and political import, and for this reason, the wives of the nobility and of royalty, too, have always and everywhere been referred to by the name of their father's family, as for example (historically speaking) "Lady Diana Spencer, Princess of Wales", (not "Diana Windsor, Princess of Wales"). Or "Lady Jane Grey, the Nine Days' Queen", instead of "Lady Jane Dudley", which was her married name.)

If the rule should stand, then it should also be applied to royalty, too, and then we would need to change the names listed in the entries for the six wives of King Henry VIII of England from:

1. Catherine of Aragon, Queen of England 2. Anne Boleyn, Queen of England 3. Jane Seymour, Queen of England 4. Anne of Cleves, Queen of England 5. Catherine Howard, Queen of England 6. Catherine Parr, Queen of England

to:

1. Catherine Tudor, Queen of England 2. Anne Tudor, Queen of England 3. Jane Tudor, Queen of England 4. Anne Tudor, Queen of England 5. Catherine Tudor, Queen of England 6. Catherine Tudor, Queen of England

I am entering these comments also on the Wikiproject Page. I hope we can fix this.

Ivain (talk) 17:19, 18 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

17:18, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

Article Title

This article should be titled "Kathleen Kennedy", this is her common name. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.95.93.71 (talk) 04:54, 16 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

There are three other Kathleen Kennedys on Wikipedia (well to be technical, one is Kathleen Kennedy Townsend), which is why Kathleen Kennedy points to a disambiguation page, on which there is a link to this page, so if someone were to search Kathleen Kennedy, they'd find her easily. Kathleen Cavendish, Marchioness of Hartington is her proper title and should remain the title of the article. Montauk Daisy (talk) 09:13, 2 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Support comments by Montauk Daisy article title should remain as is. MilborneOne (talk) 12:36, 2 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Religion

Did she convert to Anglicanism upon her marriage, or did she stay a Roman Catholic? --Willthacheerleader18 (talk) 20:34, 17 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

She never converted. She remained a member of the RC church — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.77.127.106 (talk) 16:01, 3 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Who is Townshend?

... mentioned in the "Death" section, without forename, link, or explanation -- Y not? 21:23, 21 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

one would imagine it to be the Marquess Townshend 78.144.208.101 (talk) 02:07, 18 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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