Talk:Xinjiang conflict
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The title of this article is currently "Xinjiang conflict". I have gone through all the linked sources and none of them use the words "Xinjiang conflict". Rather the words used are, "terrorism", "unrest", "violent clashes", "riots" and "racial/ethnic tensions". Googling for additional sources, I couldn't find reliable sources using the word "conflict". All reliable sources seem to use other wording. Using the word conflict on this article seems to be an exaggeration. Rincewind42 (talk) 03:46, 20 January 2014 (UTC)
- I see where you are coming from, but I found several sources that use the word "conflict." East-West Center in Washington, the Guardian, paper from AU, and a few others. Use of the term would also seem to be in line with some other Wikipedia articles, such as Western Sahara conflict and Chiapas conflict. I'm not sure what other word could be used to describe the series of events that have led to a few several thousand deaths, but I'm not linguist. Mvblair (talk) 14:20, 26 February 2014 (UTC)
- There is a world of difference between "as ethnic conflict grows in Xinjiang" (Gaurdian) and "Xinjiang conflict". Similarly for the Australian article. It says "Ethnic Conflict" not "Xinjiang conflict". It is a different meaning of conflict. The East West Center article is just one voice. Read Wikipedia:Article titles and in particular see WP:COMMONNAME, "Xinjiang conflict" is not the common name in reputable sources. The number of deaths is not the defining factor of a conflict; rather is is the form of action taken. Xinjiang is sporadic, uncoordinated, loosely connected or even unconnected events that only share a common motive - though even that is debatable. The words "Xinjiang conflict" imply an organised armed revolt or war which is an exaggeration. The Western Sahara and Chiapas are not comparable to the events in Xinjiang and in an case pointing to other low quality Wikipedia articles is a poor argument. Rincewind42 (talk) 15:39, 26 February 2014 (UTC)
- I don't know, when I do a Google search for "Xinjiang conflict," I see plenty of sources, including a few that seem to be direct translations from state media. Given the definition of the word, what has been happening in Xinjiang would seem to be a "conflict." Feel free to suggest another title for the article. Mvblair (talk) 18:33, 27 February 2014 (UTC)
- Please read WP:RS and WP:COMMONNAME. Don't be vague, if you see plenty then post links. What I see are various mirrors of this Wikipedia article, mirrors of the East-West Centre article and a couple of youtube videos of twenty year old news reports. The are not reliable sources and not sufficient to establish "Xinjiang_conflict" as the common name when compared with the alternative names. I have already suggested alternative names in my first comment. For example, put "Xinjiang unrest" into google and you get the BBC, Finacial Times, aljazeera, Times of India, South China Morning Post, Reuters and more. You get a similar list if you search for "Xinjiang riots" or "Xinjiang terrorism". All three of these options are used by reliable sources and sources of this article itself. My personal preference would be "Xinjiang unrest". There may be other better names. I'm open to suggestions but "Xinjiang conflict" is out. Rincewind42 (talk) 04:55, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
- I see where you are coming from even though "conflict" seems appropriate to me. Mvblair (talk) 14:30, 4 March 2014 (UTC)
- I agree with Mvblair. Conflict is the right word, 'unrest' and 'terrorism' are merely parts of this conflict, just like 'oppression' is. --82.75.32.124 (talk) 23:47, 26 May 2014 (UTC)
Soviet support of East Turkestan People's Party insurgency against China
East Turkestan People's Party
United Revolutionary Front of East Turkestan
Soviet historiography and propaganda to Uyghurs
The soviet formation of uyghur nationalism and history
http://books.google.com/books?id=8FVsWq31MtMC&pg=PA208#v=onepage&q&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=NKCU3BdeBbEC&pg=PA38#v=onepage&q&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=NKCU3BdeBbEC&pg=PA39#v=onepage&q&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=NKCU3BdeBbEC&pg=PA40#v=onepage&q&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=NKCU3BdeBbEC&pg=PA41#v=onepage&q&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=IAs9AAAAIAAJ&pg=PA188#v=onepage&q&f=false
KGB aid to Uyghur separatists.
http://books.google.com/books?id=mXXnd81uoMoC&pg=PA240#v=onepage&q&f=false
KGB Agent Victor Louis (journalist) wrote a book about his support for Uyghur, Mongol and Tibetan separatists, he encouraged the Soviet Union to try to wage war against China to allegedly "free" those nationalities from China's rule
http://books.google.com/books?id=ZavAkGUNdSkC&pg=PA175#v=onepage&q&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=cEdQ1IuJFH4C&pg=PA172#v=onepage&q&f=false
Soviet Union propaganda
China and the Soviet Union waged a propaganda war over East Turkestan Independence, with the Soviets trying to incite separatism among the Uyghurs, and China retaliated with jamming and broadcasting of its own. Soviet Muslims (Uzbeks and others) would taunt Russians in the bazaars about the threat of China liberating Soviet central asia from the Russians, and China broadcasted news of Soviet atrocities against Afghan Muslims during the Soviet invasion.
http://www.airpower.maxwell.af.mil/airchronicles/aureview/1980/may-jun/meehan.html
http://www.oxuscom.com/sovinxj.htm
http://www.nytimes.com/1983/07/06/world/on-soviet-china-border-the-thaw-is-just-a-trickle.html
http://f3.tiera.ru/1/genesis/580-584/581000/08896bda69d79b32dcf80f11fc793dbf
http://www.businessweek.com/globalbiz/content/may2010/gb20100528_168520.htm
http://engnews.gazeta.kz/art.asp?aid=308213