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Armeena Khan

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PR puffery trying to create notability for an utterly non-notable "actress and model". The article has obviously been created by a PR agent, and was full of fake/bogus references before other editors started cleaning it up, leaving only a single reference even mentioning her, an article that has nothing to do with her being an actress or model, only a run-of-the-mill "fashion designer". Or to sum it up: the article not only fails WP:NACTOR but also falls short of passing WP:GNG by a country mile. Thomas.W talk 18:39, 30 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions. Jinkinson talk to me 18:45, 30 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Canada-related deletion discussions. Jinkinson talk to me 18:45, 30 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I am one of the original editors of this article. I came it across in through google search. I am not her PR agent or any such like. Your assumption is misdirected. At best the article needs improving and at worst it is subjective in its written form in places and needs to be referenced. But so are many other articles on here but they evolve over time. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Merlinsage10 (talk • contribs) 10:14, 31 October 2014 (UTC) This template must be substituted.[reply]
  • Comment As it is in its current state, it fails to adequately establish notability. The only Google News article I could find is this, which is a passing mention that she's going to be in a TV film. I don't find anything significant at Google Books. There are some interviews [1][2] but those are WP:PRIMARY. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 19:04, 30 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • WP:NACTOR requires "significant roles in multiple notable films, television shows, stage performances, or other productions", and WP:GNG requires "significant coverage in multiple reliable third party sources", so a passing mention in a single article doesn't help. Thomas.W talk 19:29, 30 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. Doesn't make a credible claim of notability under any of our subject-specific inclusion rules, and doesn't cite nearly enough (or any at all, really) reliable sourcing to get over WP:GNG instead. In fact, I would frankly have considered this outright speediable, as either "advertising" or "no explanation of significance", had I seen it before the nominator did. Bearcat (talk) 20:18, 30 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • AfD-discussions are archived, while there's no record of speedies other than under what criteria it was deleted, in my experience re-creations are also easier to get rid of if the article has been deleted at AfD (CSD G4). Thomas.W talk 20:57, 30 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Cannes: http://simplybhangra.com/news/latest-updates/6525-she-cannes-she-has-armeena-khan-writhes-into-
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I am not sure what you guys searched but I got over half a million results from google just from her first name. This stuff is pretty note worthy if you are a user in South Asia or Middle East.

cannes.html#.VFNZEkvaNuY

Bollywood:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_F14gHZwNY
Lollywood:http://galaxylollywood.wordpress.com/2014/07/20/yalgaar-to-bring-swat-operation-in-light/
http://www.tv.com.pk/celebrity/Armeena-Rana-Khan/319/biography
Next film: http://www.dawn.com/news/1125718
Next film after that: http://reviewit.pk/farhat-ishtiaqs-bin-roye-aansu-coming-soon-on-hum-tv/
Her clothing line: http://www.fashionsrunway.com/armeena-rana-khan-designer-lawn-collection-2014-gohar-textile-mills/
More clothing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I8hrEsxId9g
Unfortunately wikipedia is western-centric and currently most of the editors are seemingly based in N. America and Europe. I read lots of "notable persons" on wikipedia who I and most people have never heard of. Hopefully this situation will improve. Merlinsage10 talk 10:07, 31 October 2014 (GMT) This template must be substituted.
  • So you got half a million results when doing a Google search on "Armeena"? Nice, but it only proves that there are a lot of people named Armeena. If I do a search on my first name, "Thomas", I get 1.6 million results. So can I have an article, please? On a more serious note, the first link is about a thoroughly non-notable short film, and thus doesn't count (see my comment above about what is required per WP:NACTOR and WP:GNG), the fourth link has Armeena Khan as one of several people in a picture, but doesn't even mention her name in the text of the article, providing no connection between her and the film the article is about, so that doesn't count either; the second to last link is already in the article, and has been mentioned further up in this discussion, and the rest are blogs, Youtube-links etc that are not reliable sources, and can't be used as references on Wikipedia. Leaving nothing. Thomas.W talk 10:50, 31 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Yes you can have an article. I will do one for you with some choice words. Seriously though, there is a bit of an issue here. I understand where you are coming from but the way the media works out there is different. There is heavy censorship, especially with the problems of religious fanatics etc. So youtube is banned and wikipedia is not widely known. But Facebook is used heavily - so we know that she is in this film and if I ask someone from that part of the world who watches cinema and film about her then I will get a difference answer than I would from someone in Canada (ironically no one knows her there). This is the official FB page of the film https://www.facebook.com/hashtag/yalghaar so I know she is starring in it opposite the lead male. Now looking at Mila Kunis' page for example I see future projects are cited yet future projects are an issue with the page I am editing. Why? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Merlinsage10 (talk • contribs) 11:52, 31 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, if you read WP:GNG you will find there is no pass allowed for "places where the media 'works differently'". -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 19:21, 31 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
YouTube videos and Facebook posts and WordPress blogs do not constitute reliable sourcing for a Wikipedia article under any circumstances — mainstream media censorship doesn't have any bearing on that, as nothing in this article suggests any reason why this person would have been singled out as a victim of that. And they still wouldn't count as sufficient sourcing even if it did — for example, even if she were actually being targeted for government censorship in that way, that wouldn't prevent international sources such as the BBC or The New York Times from reporting on that censorship as a story in and of itself.
Also, just for the record, notability has nothing to do with what you have or haven't heard of. I've heard of lots of people who don't qualify for Wikipedia articles (e.g. friends, family, the constituency assistant to my MP, the band that plays my local pub on Saturday nights, etc.), and am wholly unfamiliar with many people who do (I couldn't personally name even one current member of the German Bundestag if I tried, for example, but that doesn't make them not notable). Notability is a factor of reliable source coverage, not of anybody getting an automatic entitlement to a Wikipedia article just because it's possible to prove that they exist. Bearcat (talk) 19:51, 1 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak keep. After a second look, I may have acted too hastily. These sources (already mentioned) are plausible: [3], [4], [5], [6]. Reliability of a couple of those is arguable, but they are more than just facebook and wordpress as was implied above. --Sammy1339 (talk) 20:12, 3 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete: Sorry, I'm not seeing it. If Merlinsage10 has found reliable sources, where are they? Why aren't they in the article? Claiming that there's lots of censorship in South Asia is garbage: India has a huge press, and they're film-fanatic. There should be a zillion English-language sources: if this lady is the real deal. (And if she's supposedly Canadian-born and works out of the UK, what censorship?) Sorry, show me some good reliable sources first. Nha Trang 22:25, 31 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • The article claims she's based in Dubai, but according to IMDB, her works are in Hindi, for the most part, and this Hum TV mentioned now in the article is in Pakistan, and she seems to be ethnic Pakistani. You kinda think that the Emirates aren't where her oeuvre is being marketed. Nha Trang 19:25, 3 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Randykitty (talk) 16:19, 6 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]


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Hey! reading through these discussions I’m a little perturbed by the number of commentators from the western world discrediting Armeena as just a ‘fashion designer’??!!! – but have no knowledge of South Asian cinema.

I’ve personally watched several of her films, and if Wikipedia has any form of credibility then it should take control of allowing certain commentators who specialise in certain areas of knowledge access to accept or delete articles on a particular subject. Please can we have commentators who specialise in Bollywood/Lollywood determine the fate of this article. Armeena is an up and coming actress who’s played star roles in many films already as well as major roles on other shows, and serials. This actress is also becoming very popular in the British Asian scene. Please retain this article. The whole world doesn’t revolve around western cinema or Hollywood alone; there are actors in Bollywood who command fan base multitudes greater than the most famous of Hollywood actors. Yes my dear American/European commentators – there is a greater world out there beyond your shores, and Wikipedia is meant to be a world encyclopaedia! EddyJawed

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