User talk:Magioladitis

Dear Yobot,

Thanks for the help, I really find difficult all these links and refers also because, English is not my Mother language. Is Now the page "Chris Vinante" alright to be published? Joan

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Propaganda films and the doc tag

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Okay, here's another little problem: I was surprised to see "Pimpernel" Smith tagged as a documentary article. It's a propaganda film, but it's fiction, rather than a doc film. I know from the National Film Board of Canada's work that most Canadian WWII propaganda films would qualify as documentary films, but that may vary from country to country? I think it's best just to remove the tags manually where they don't apply.... Shawn in Montreal (talk) 17:41, 20 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

(talk page stalker) @Shawn in Montreal: This articles is in Category:British World War II propaganda films, which is a sub-subcategory of Category:Documentary films about World War II. GoingBatty (talk) 20:50, 20 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Indeed. I'm not suggesting it be decategorized since I expect most wartime propaganda films will fall under the non-fiction film category. I'll just remove the doc tag from articles where it's not a doc film, and I expect others will, too. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 21:18, 20 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Bot finished tagging. -- Magioladitis (talk) 14:08, 30 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Merry Merry

To you and yours

FWiW Bzuk (talk) 16:24, 22 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

FWiW Bzuk thank you very much! I wish you too. -- Magioladitis (talk) 08:16, 24 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Defaultsort

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Is it necessary to add defaultsort into railway station articles?[1] Thanks OccultZone (Talk • Contributions • Log) 08:15, 24 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

OccultZone yes. In order to delist it from the list of pages with special characters in sortkey. -- Magioladitis (talk) 08:17, 24 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Including those titles that have got no special characters? OccultZone (Talk • Contributions • Log) 08:19, 24 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

OccultZone in the example your provided there is a special character (á). Do you have an example with no special characters? -- Magioladitis (talk) 08:21, 24 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

There are a few, like Vista Alegre (Madrid Metro) has no special character in the title. No defaultsort in the article. OccultZone (Talk • Contributions • Log) 08:56, 24 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

OccultZone No need to add anything there then. -- Magioladitis (talk) 08:57, 24 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Merry Christmas

Merry Christmas, Magio! Wishing you the best in your life. --Meno25 (talk) 06:54, 25 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Meno25 Many greetings to you my friend too! -- Magioladitis (talk) 14:07, 30 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

#property usage on cebu / bohol pages

As you may have seen, I'm working my way through the cities and municipalities, changing statements where possible to use wikidata. It is not the easiest job, because wikidata seems to have been designed without any external reference, i.e. what the customer wants rather than what the provider feels like giving. In particular, it is very unsuited to places rather than people. There is no notion as far as I can see of any dimension, not area, no length / elevation etc.

So a lot of items have to be got in with a wangle. This is particularly so when wishing, as I do, to introduce a general case rather than a specific, while at the same time endeavouring to have the output look more or less like it was before. So for example motto is usually presented as italics, even though the infobox itself doesn't do it. But infobox does present something if there is anything given, so a value such as {{#if:{{#property:P1451}}|''{{#property:P1451}}''}} with no actual instantiation of motto-text will produce a line something like Motto: '

Similarly, if {{URL}} is invoked without a parameter, it will give some kind of error case.

There are other problems associated with items which can take multiple values, for instance inception – there are many cases where a city / municipality has more than one. It may have a founding year some centuries ago, and an establishment (or incorporation) date later. Wikidata is not able to supply the values separately, but returns a csv list, where I replace each comma with   (and hope they tie up with the title values alongside, which are not held in wikidata!).

There are many other items I would like to see brought into wikidata, for instance i "income classification" which is part of the legal definition of the city / municipality; ii PSGC (Philippines Standard Geographical Code), which is also part of the location official details. Et cetera.

Believe me, everything I am including is there for a reason, not for fun.

Unbuttered parsnip (talk) mytime= Thu 18:26, wikitime= 10:26, 25 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

User:Unbuttered Parsnip I do not recall consensus to add wikidata items like this in English Wikipedia to be honest. -- Magioladitis (talk) 15:06, 25 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I don't really understand. What is wikidata for, if not a collection of data? Where would there be a consensus, or even discussion?—Unbuttered parsnip (talk) mytime= Thu 23:10, wikitime= 15:10, 25 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@Bgwhite, GoingBatty, and Frietjes: for advice on this. -- Magioladitis (talk) 22:56, 25 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not entirely sure on the status of Wikidata. I do remember these types of edits were reverted as no consensus, but that was a long time ago... over a year ago.

My main concern is doing it so somebody who is a semi-newbie can understand. Having infoboxes contain #if and other programming statements are not easy to understand. Having span tags to go around a colon is overkill. There has to be a better way.

For the immediate now:

You don't need an #if statement for a website. See Sibonga, Cebu, it works just fine.
For {{zwj}}:{{zwj}}, per this edit, I think this is overkill. "IDD:area code" is certainly is not the longest label. Odds of this being split (reason for {{zwj}}) are extremely low. I don't see a reason to make this so complicated.

For the infobox and wikidata

There are infoboxes that will retrieve info from Wikidata if values are available. {{Infobox South African municipality}} is an example. {{Infobox person/Wikidata}} is another. Work on Module:Wikidata looks to be progressing and this module would be used in other infoboxes for Wikidata retrieval.
If there is a way for the Infobox to fill in the data "automatically", it would be a much better and easier solution in the long run. Much faster than what Parsnip is doing now and much easier for a newbie. RexxS works on the Module and the person/Wikidata infobox. Hopefully Rexx can give us an updated.

Bgwhite (talk) 08:20, 26 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

{{infobox settlement}} This template is used on 428,000+ pages. As regards a standard, why there at least 425,000 different standards, all of them jumbled bosh. I don't understand what algorithm the template uses to decide the widths of the columns (or why) - my guess it does something with the unrendered texts, which could be any size. I'm sure I had a reason for setting the phone codes as I did, such as their wrapping in the wrong place. But I've just come across {{thinsp}} which does most of it elegantly.

As I said, while it may work for specific cases, the whole point is not having to know, not having to tailor it. That's what standardised means. That's what KISS means too.

Undoubtedly using wikidata direct would be an answer, but at the moment it doesn't do it, and contrary to what you say (BG) I think it will be a long time coming. Even basic functions are missing, such as extracting qualifiers one by one. It looks like a usable form of coordinates may be some time coming too.

One of the reasons for the "if" was to slant the font. ''<nothing>'' causes something like ' to show, so it was necessary to test the value. Maybe I can use old-fashioned nothing instead.

I'm working within the confines of what is available now. Not waiting for jam tomorrow.

I continue puzzled about wikidata itself. Comments here seem to be blowing hot and cold.

Unbuttered parsnip (talk) mytime= Fri 22:30, wikitime= 14:30, 26 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

User:Unbuttered Parsnip I guess we should wait so that templates automatically obtain data from Wikidata and not force items into them. An example is {{Official website}}. -- Magioladitis (talk) 16:03, 26 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

That may not be the best example - (a) it's not supposed to be used in infoboxes; (b) it gives wrong display with a blank parameter. 203.184.139.1 (talk) 15:32, 27 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

{{Official website}} is a good example because it shows wikidata in action. Wrong display is something that can be fixed.

Unfortunately, waiting is probably the best option. It isn't hurting anything not to use Wikidata now. It only complicates things now. It only complicates things when switched over to Wikidata. Module:Wikidata seems like the first step in converting infoboxes and it is being worked on. I fear the usual response when something new is introduced on Wikipedia.... A cry of no, petitions to have it removed, etc. I do hope things happen sooner. Bgwhite (talk) 08:56, 28 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@Unbuttered Parsnip: My two cents: Since you continue to be "puzzled about Wikidata itself", I suggest you start conversations at the template talk pages and/or Wikipedia:Village pump (technical) to work with other editors on the best way to integrate Wikidata into Wikipedia articles. I hope it can be incorporated into the infobox template code instead of requiring editors to put non-intuitive codes as parameter values. Good luck! GoingBatty (talk) 00:50, 29 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Matthias Laurenz Gräff

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I ve linked the article three times, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:WhatLinksHere/Matthias_Laurenz_Gr%C3%A4ff so I think it isnt an orphan anymore. Can I clean the following link? {{Orphan|date=December 2014}} Kind regards --Artium72 (talk) 12:45, 30 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Artium72 Done. -- Magioladitis (talk) 14:03, 30 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, happy new year! --Artium72 (talk) 14:05, 30 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

AWB and text search

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It seems that text search is back in AWB 5.5.6.0. Thank you and your colleagues for latest update. Merry Christmas and happy New year.--Ma▀▄Ga 13:35, 30 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

MaGa Merry Christmas and happy New year to you too! Thanks for the feedback and the patience. -- Magioladitis (talk) 14:03, 30 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

No problem, keep up good work with AWB.--Ma▀▄Ga 14:37, 30 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Happy New Year!

Dear Magioladitis,
HAPPY NEW YEAR Hoping 2015 will be a great year for you! Thank you for your contributions!
From a fellow editor,
--FWiW Bzuk (talk)

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Chechens

On this page and some others, I had to remove the changes that were made by a banned user (Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Beh-nam/Archive 94.210.203.230). You can do your AWB fixes again if you want to. Oh and Happy New Year! Bladesmulti (talk) 22:56, 2 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

A kitten for you!

hi your yobot fixed a silly mistake i made tks:)

Coolabahapple (talk) 05:41, 3 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks

I just wanted to take a minute and say thanks for the help on those edits and for the hard work on the improvements to AWB. Its good to know that some folks are still working to improve the project. I also wanted to let you know that I just loaded the new optional update. I'm not sure if its an issue with Wikia today, but since I did the update it trips the timer every few edits. It could just be something with Wikia, but I wanted to let you know anyway just in case. Special K.:-) 108.28.162.100 (talk) 01:09, 5 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Nigel Cayzer

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Hi Magioladitis and a Happy New Year to you. I noticed Yobot tagged Nigel Cayzer for lack of links to other articles. I've improved the situation with four more (Eton College, Muscat Securities Market, Oman, GCC) to take the total to six. Is that enough to remove that tag? Many thanks. HOgilvy (talk) 11:30, 5 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

HOgilvy great work. Page is fine now. I removed the tag. -- Magioladitis (talk) 11:32, 5 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

That's great, thanks very much. HOgilvy (talk) 11:42, 5 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Bot moving a large number of motorcycling project articles

There is a large number of race articles that WP:WikiProject Motorcycling would like moved to WP Motorcycle racing. I know that WP Motorcycle racing has to be notified first. I read the bot rules and it looks like I have to list categories individually, is this correct? I.e. I can't just ask for "Category:Speedway by year" -> WikiProject motorcycle racing? — Brianhe (talk) 20:46, 5 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Brianhe Most important for me that you check that the category tree you'll ask is not broken i.e. it won't lead the bot to tag large amounts of unrelated pages. It has happened to me many many times. -- Magioladitis (talk) 20:59, 5 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I understand. Is it possible to preview what categories would be traversed for a given root? I'll have to research a bit but I think we'd be recat'ing "Speedway riders" as well. — Brianhe (talk) 21:48, 5 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

(talk page stalker) @Brianhe: Sure, by using <categorytree>...</categorytree> like this:

British speedway by year

Danish speedway by year

Polish speedway by year

Seasons in Swedish speedway

Speedway riders

Speedway riders by nationality

Speedway champions

Speedway riders by club

Expatriate speedway riders

Speedway biography stubs

Hope this helps! GoingBatty (talk) 02:24, 6 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Neat trick, thanks. I'll run this by the projects and make sure we're cool with the move. — Brianhe (talk) 03:53, 6 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Yobot error on Longest word in English

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User:Yobot was deleting invisible characters on Longest word in English, except thoos characters were useful, as they allowed the long words to wrap anywhere, no matter the screen size. Without them the text was stretching out of the screen --KnightMiner ^(t|c) 17:49, 6 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

KnightMiner thanks for the heads up. I replaced the soft-hyphen with the template version of it. I think this resolves the problem. Please check. -- Magioladitis (talk) 18:20, 6 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Yep. It looks visually the same as it did when using the invisible character rather than the template. --KnightMiner ^(t|c) 18:51, 6 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

KnightMiner perfect. -- Magioladitis (talk) 18:53, 6 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Poodle interpreted by Yobot as a person

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Yobot took a poodle for a living person, I'm not sure why. Yngvadottir (talk) 18:38, 6 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Yngvadottir I'll have a look at it. Don't we add persondata to animals? -- Magioladitis (talk) 18:41, 6 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I don't believe we do; I just checked 2 from Category:Individual dogs and neither had it, but that was obviously an unscientific survey. The bot also added the article to the birth year category and to Category:Living people though, and at least the second of those is surely wrong. Yngvadottir (talk) 19:04, 6 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed rev 10703 Thanks for the feedback. -- Magioladitis (talk) 19:18, 6 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Yngvadottir: I added Category:2011 animal births, and confirmed that AWB doesn't add Persondata based on this category. GoingBatty (talk) 04:08, 7 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@GoingBatty: thanks once again! -- Magioladitis (talk) 07:29, 7 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Edwards Gardens

Why did you put back two dead red links, the words were still there but I was told that a red link meant there was no article written yet? It shouldn't be linked if nothing exists? Haiku Tea (talk) 20:27, 7 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Haiku Tea it was not me nor Yobot. Still WP:REDLINKS are welcome. --Magioladitis (talk) 20:48, 7 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

especially WP:REDDEAL. --Redrose64 (talk) 20:52, 7 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]