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"Chrysler"

The name of the article Chrysler is under discussion, see talk:Chrysler -- 67.70.35.44 (talk) 05:17, 18 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Does the Sinclair C5 fall within the scope of this project?

The Sinclair C5 is, as its lead sentence says, "an 'electrically assisted pedal cycle.'" As such, it would be rather better described as a recumbent tricycle than as an automobile. However, for some reason, it has not only been considered within the scope of WikiProject Automobiles, it has been ranked as being of high importance to this project.

I therefore respectfully ask the members of this project for the reasons why the C5 falls within the scope of this project and, further, the reasons why it is considered to be of high importance to this project.

Sincerely, SamBlob (talk) 18:29, 18 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

From my perspective,the thing with the C5 is not so much what it is, but more about how it was marketed, reviewed by the media and perceived by the public as an alternative form of motorised road transport for anyone. If it had been sold as a mere recumbent tricycle or as an electrically assisted pedal cycle, it probably would not have registered on the public consciousness in the way that it did. Mighty Antar (talk) 19:49, 18 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

  • yes, as Antar above. It's a bit of a joke just what the C5 really is, and if it had been sold as an assisted recumbent it might have sold to fewer, better satisfied customers. At the time though, it was massively hyped as "Sinclair's electric car" and has long been considered to fall within such.
As this is the project we're considering here, not a definition, then we should of course be broadly inclusive, not restrictive. Andy Dingley (talk) 21:26, 18 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
O.K., so basically it was "a car that wasn't" and probably falls within the scope of the project because of this. But why "high importance"? Was the debacle really *that* big? Sincerely, SamBlob (talk) 01:30, 19 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I think to answer that, one would need a much more precise definition of what should constitute a "high importance" article. It seems rather arbitrary at the moment. In the UK at least, the C5 debacle was very big and very notable.Mighty Antar (talk) 13:12, 19 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

New Icon Car?

I'm not particularly sure how long this image has been the icon for this WikiProject (at least since the April 2008 upload date), but I was curious if anyone else would be interested in creating a new icon or suggesting an image for us to use. While I wouldn't say I am "sick" of looking at the Honda, I would say that a new icon might freshen things up a bit.

The S2000 image is a PNG, and there are few other car PNGs available. Those that are available are illustrations and not photos like the Honda (try these: boring but Ferrarish; Rolls-Royce Phantom III). I'm not even sure if icons such as this are bound by background transparency restrictions (seems pretty inane). Though if we found a pleasing image that garnered enough support, anything is possible regarding creating a derivative work with transparency and backgrounds.

The S2000 is a great photo, but perhaps we might find an image that depicts a more widely-popular or mid-century vehicle. This WikiProject is concerned with autos from the late 1800s-today, so maybe something "middle-of-the-road" could do rather than a recent car? And for the sake of discussion, does the icon even have to be a car? What about a truck or SUV?

I hope I'm not alone here, and I certainly welcome any discussion on the matter. Cheers --Stratocaster27t@lk 05:52, 19 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

While I'm not against a discussion, I'm quite content with the S2000. It's a happy, cheery little car that's sold world-wide. New enough to be modern but not new enough to be in the "must have a photo of the absolute latest model" group. A JPG version might be nicer to make downloads a little quicker but th eimage itself is quite fine.  Stepho  talk  08:48, 19 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I also have no qualms with the Honda S2000 image. However, if a higher-quality image that was representative of the project was proposed, I would support a change. OSX (talk • contributions) 13:50, 19 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I am a fan of neither the S2000 nor planned obsolescence, and my initial reaction to this proposal was that it is a pointless waste of time. However, upon giving it more thought, I realize that this is an opportunity to think of what kind of car would actually represent the project.
It probably should not be a sports car, as that would be a bit too specialized a vehicle to represent automobiles at large. For the same reason, it should not be a pickup truck or an SUV. A sedan/saloon car or hatchback would probably be best.
It should probably not be an icon of any specific country, which would exclude the '59 Cadillac or the Tri-Five Chevrolet (USA), the Mini (UK), the Citroën 2CV and DS (France, although a Renault 4 just might look generic enough to work), the Fiat 500 or 600 (Italy), the SAAb 90 series and 900 (Sweden) or the Honda Civic (Japan). It should doubly not be the Volkswagen Beetle so as to avoid mention of the Third Reich.
Despite this, it should be a highly notable car, but not necessarily an easily identifiable one.
Based on these criteria, I think suitable cars for the project's icon would include (but not be limited to, of course):
Finally, having edited quite a few motorcycle articles at a certain time, I must ask: please do NOT let it be a BMW! They are already overhyped by Wikipedia!
Sincerely, SamBlob (talk) 23:17, 19 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Curious, two cars you listed as explicitly undesirable are two cars that would be in my top 10 list. The Beetle may have got it's genesis by a mad dictator but became a world-wide phenomena under its own merits. It is instantly recognisable in almost any country by almost any generation. It's also cute and cuddly and decidedly non-threatening, explaining its popularity as a child's toy over so many generations. The original Mini has a similar (but slightly less) world-wide popularity and recognisability. I would prefer to not have a plain sedan because they're just plain boring. Bland is not necessarily a goal to aim for.  Stepho  talk  00:35, 20 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Being boring might not be a desirable goal, but being representative is. "Plain sedans" are what most people see on the road and what most drivers have on the road.
If the icon of the project is a picture of a car with a strong national identity, then we will get accusations of national bias.
Sincerely, SamBlob (talk) 09:39, 20 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
SamBlob, I have to both agree and disagree with you. This certainly is an opportunity to discuss a more representative image for the project, however, I think the vehicle chosen should be notable and recognisable. Looking at other transportation-related WikiProjects: Aviation's icon is the Wright Flyer, Buses is a red London Routemaster. These are both extremely important and notable symbols (probably the equivalent of having Karl Benz's Motorwagen or Model T as icons) of these projects. If well-photographed or illustrations of, say, the 2CV, Beetle, or 1950s Cadillac Deville exist, these should be prime candidates for a representative icon. As a reverse example, a Chrysler K, though it sold well, is perhaps one of the most dreary cars of all time and probably difficult for people across the world to recognize. Cheers --Stratocaster27t@lk 02:06, 20 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Looking at both projects, I also notice how they chose logos that are symbols on their own right and not directly identifiable with any currently active manufacturers or marques.
Replying to both comments above, the fact that a car is recognizable as make/model shouldn't be a criteria here. This is WikiProject Automobiles, not WikiProject Volkswagen or WikiProject BMC. Whatever we choose, it should be instantly recognizable simply as an Automobile. Cloverleaf II (talk) 09:04, 20 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I the the Beetle is the obvious iconic choice. and frankly, it's links with nazism are pretty tenuous, in context.Greglocock (talk) 02:08, 20 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Tenuous links? Even if it went on to become a world car, it was designed by Adolf Hitler's favourite engineer (who plagiarized Tatra's patents) on specifications dictated by Adolf Hitler himself. Just like that other thing. Not really the best choiche in my opinion. – Cloverleaf II (talk) 08:37, 20 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I agree wholeheartedly with SamBlob's ctiteria. Reasons above. – Cloverleaf II (talk) 09:04, 20 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Two more possibilities, along the same lines:
Sincerely, SamBlob (talk) 09:39, 20 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
A summation of all I've said earlier: The most important property of the car in the icon is that one can point to it and say: "This is what a car looks like." The second most important property is being as uncontroversial as possible. Sincerely, SamBlob (talk) 14:26, 20 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
While I appreciate the argument re Naziism, the Type 1 really didn't depend on the Nazis, but on the British Army (since it never reached mass production til postwar anyhow). If the (IMO tenuous) ties are too much, what about the Model T? Or the New Beetle? TREKphiler any time you're ready, Uhura 16:13, 20 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I think the Beetle would be completely inappropriate, not just because of its Nazi links, but also because it is both a celebrity in its own right (independently of its status as a means of transport), and highly atypical in its engine location, cooling system, and appearance. I also agree with SamBlob's criteria. As far as SamBlob's list is concerned, most of the cars in the list, and also the Ford Model T, are either too Euro-focused or too North America-focused to be a suitable worldwide choice, and the NSU Ro80, although important and highly influential, is too rare and had a Wankel engine. I accept that the Chevrolet Chevette, etc, almost qualifies as a worldwide choice, but in my view only one of the listed cars really stands out, and that's the Mercedes-Benz W124. Not only was it built in huge numbers (2.5 million plus) over more than a decade (1985–1997). It was also produced in five distinct body styles (sedan, wagon, coupe, cabriolet and stretch limousine), with a wide range of petrol and diesel engines (2.0L 4 cyl diesel to 6.0L V8 petrol), and two and four wheel drive, and was sold in significant quantities all around the world, including in Japan, Eastern Europe / Russia (mainly second hand), Africa and even India. And, as SamBlob hints, it was highly praised in North America, and therefore also influential in relation to North American car design. (Disclosure: I have owned more than one 124.) Bahnfrend (talk) 16:56, 20 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I think if we really need to change the icon, and we're not looking for an iconic automobile, then like the project itself, we should be using an image that gives a more general overview of the topic. Heres a few I would consider as possibles:

Mighty Antar (talk) 18:24, 20 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The first picture looks like a road; might be a good icon for WikiProjects on Transport or Highways, but I'm not sure how well it would work for WikiProject Automobiles.
The second picture looks like some kind of factory, but it's hard to tell what kind of factory at the size it is now, and will be even harder at the size of a project icon photo.
The third looks like a city skyline and a lot of dots.
The fourth shows cars in the foreground and buildings in the background and I'm not sure whether the focus is supposed to be on the cars, on the buildings, or on some relation of the buildings to the cars.
The project icon picture is going to be rather smaller than these are now, and they're not that easy to understand at the size they are at now. They are therefore not particularly clear representatives of the project.
Sincerely, SamBlob (talk) 21:37, 20 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks SamBlob, you do realise we are allowed to edit the pictures? Click on the pictures and see the originals on commons if you're not sure what they are. Perhaps it's just me, but I don't understand how using a bland photo of a MOR sedan is going to get anyone slightly more interested in contributing to this projectMighty Antar (talk) 02:52, 21 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
If the purpose of the icon photo is to attract contributors, then my initial assessment was correct: this is a pointless waste of time. Do you know of anyone whose decision to contribute or not to contribute to this project was in any way influenced by the look of the logo? Do you actually believe that anyone shallow enough to be attracted to the project by how the logo looks is going to have anything of value to add to it? Sincerely, SamBlob (talk) 09:09, 21 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Antar, you bring up a great point. Rather than focusing on a single automobile, how about a group of automobiles? Perhaps something along the lines of these (which are not the greatest photos but more recognizable)? After all, the project is named "Automobiles"

When choosing icons, the number one criteria is simplicity. You need for the reader to look at a page, see an icon and with somewhat less than 3 wobbly brain cells recognise the core subject. Groups of cars works against that. Easily recognisable cars (eg Beetle and Model T) are also easier to recognise as cars - ie tha familiar is more recognisable. A single car that is well-known world-wide with all the background cropped away would be ideal.  Stepho  talk  07:59, 21 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that more than one subject in the logo will only confuse the onlooker. I disagree that a famous car would make a better icon than a generic one. Putting a Beetle on the icon would give the idea that we're about older cars, small cars, or Beetles. Putting a Model T (or a Silver Ghost) would give the idea that we're about vintage or pre-vintage cars.
Pretty much anything with a front clip, a passenger compartment, and a boot or trunk will do. A front clip and a passenger/cargo compartment with a rear hatch would do as well, although a hatchback might be preferable to an estate car or station wagon. All it has to be is something one can point to and say "That's what a car looks like." The less identifiable it is as any specific brand or model, the less likely it is to be controversial.
I shall look for an example later; it just might be a European Ford Granada Mark II, or a Cortina Mark IV, which looks almost exactly the same except that it's smaller.
Sincerely, SamBlob (talk) 09:09, 21 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Examples of as close to an NPOV car as I can find immediately:
Sincerely, SamBlob (talk) 09:52, 21 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed with SamBlob and Stepho on every point. Except that maybe the Cortina Mk IV looks even more anonymous (which in this case is a good thing) than the Cortina Mk V. And/or equivalent Taunus TC as long as colo(u)rs are strong enough to work well even when people are trying to figure out that it's a car while using their pocket telephones as computers...
Regards Charles01 (talk) 10:36, 21 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not quite sure why we are going out of our way to engage in a race to the bottom to find the most dreary looking car possible, but it seems like we are heading that way (if it counts, I pick the Toyota Camry (XV20) or Toyota Corolla (E110)—the 1990s were epic when it comes to sleep-inducing styling). Rather than trying to pick the car, I think we should be looking for a good photo first. It's all well and good so say "Ford Granada", but we need to actually have a quality image to work with to use that car. As it turn out there is a really good image of the Granada (File:Granada 2.8PIC 0083.JPG) that could easily be converted into a car-only image with a white background. Basically, we need a car that is not white, the car needs to have minimal reflections and shadows on it because it looks really weird when you have "studio shot" style car on white background with reflections, and lastly there can't be much discernible background showing through the glasshouse of the vehicle. The Granada image meets all of these criteria.

However, another option, with a little more spice would be a German car. Such models meet the NPOV criterion in my opinion because they are widely sold—and sold globally—the styling tends to be relatively tame and copied by the other marques, and lastly, they are exciting cars within the realm of "mainstream". Audi would be the obvious brand for me because they have the blandest, most neutral styling. I found a great picture of an Audi A3 cabrio (File:Audi A3 Cabrio 2013 (11210434484).jpg) that would meet the above image composition traits. It's yellow, so stands out; it is also a cabrio, yet based on a fairly mundane hatchback model and is reasonably affordable—so bridges the gap between dreary and exciting quite well.

Another option would be this Volkswagen Passat image (File:2006-2010 Volkswagen Passat (3C) sedan (2011-07-17) 01.jpg). Again, some more thorough photoshopping would be beneficial to remove the rain droplets of the bonnet/hood.

  • Ford Granada
    Ford Granada
  • Audi A3
    Audi A3
  • Volkswagen Passat
    Volkswagen Passat
  • Peugeot 208
    Peugeot 208
  • BMW 3 Series
    BMW 3 Series

Of these images, I feel that the Audi A3 and BMW 3 Series have the least editing potential when converted to sit on a white background.

Regards, OSX (talk • contributions) 13:04, 21 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

♠The Type 1 is inappropriate because it's rear-engined & aircooled? I wasn't aware it needed to meet special criteria for "common features" beyond being recognizably a car. On that basis, most of the front-engined, rear-drive cars don't qualify, either, since most cars in production are front/front... As for "iconic", IMO, that's a point in favor of the Type 1; anything not reasonably well-known in its own right is only going to raise questions of, "What in blazes is that, & why did they pick it?".
♠Of the "gallery" choices, I dislike them all as too recent, & without any real character of their own. TREKphiler any time you're ready, Uhura 19:23, 21 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that those saying the icon should primarily be identified as a car, and not as a specific model or a brand. But when I see the images suggested here above, I primarily see the brand. Maybe we should try to find images where the front of the car is not visible. A car viewed from the side or slightly from the rear doesn't usually show off its brand so obviously (with the Type 1 as a huge exception). It could be difficult to find a good photos though, since most car photos on Wikipedia have the front visible. Boivie (talk) 07:59, 23 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

  • wagon
    wagon
  • old hatch
    old hatch
  • new hatch
    new hatch
I think a side view would be a big step forward.Mighty Antar (talk) 10:21, 23 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I disagree. Front three quarter is the normal angle for infobox images, and it should also be used for the icon image. I'm afraid I also can't agree with OSX that Audi has the most neutral styling of the German brands - in my view, its Bauhaus-inspired styling tradition makes it the most German of the German brands. Of OSX's suggestions, the obvious NPOV choice for me is the Volkswagen Passat (B6) - just look at the list of places where it was assembled, and bear in mind that it was sold in North America, too. In deference to Trekphiler, it's also front wheel drive, and the three quarter view of the sedan could almost pass as an image of a hatchback as well. Bahnfrend (talk) 15:15, 30 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I’ve skimmed across this discussion and here are my thoughts in response to the aforementioned and my preexisting notions.

  • On the suggestion of changing the icon at all, consider that a long-established icon or graphic is as valuable as a “better” one.
  • Considering the purpose of this icon, something that is simple, both in recognizability and in execution, is most effective at relaying its symbolism (the Wikiproject Automobiles). It should be understandable (as what it is, not as a symbol for the project) with as little detail as possible. A drawn graphic (drawing) such as an SVG graphic, rather than a photograph, would work better to this purpose. This allows it to easily scale in dimensions with more control over how it will look when scaled. Additionally, a drawn graphic is more easily understood to be a symbol than a photograph is (computers use graphics not photos for icons, don’t they? As does signage and so on).
  • The subject of the icon should both be representative of the project (an “automobile”) and universally agreeable across audiences. Although the English Wikipedia’s main audiences would come from Australia, the U.K., and the U.S. (not to leave out others, but by sheer volume), it should be globally understandable to the greatest extent possible, for the potential to better unify it with other language projects and for foreign readers (readers from other areas reading English as a secondary language). This could both mean either a globally-known car, or an element that all cars share (such as a wheel).
    • As far as globally-known cars, few fit this bill, though notably and already mentioned is the Volkswagen Type 1. The Volkswagen Type 1 works because it is recognizable as a car, not because it best represents all cars. This is to separate the idea of a car from the implementation of cars. Additionally, I think it’s modern enough (they have been after all in production until this last decade) to fit today’s context while being classic enough to be widely known.
    • Few elements of cars are good candidates, because they should be unique to cars (as opposed to other transportation, technology, or ideas), critical to the definition of a car and how it works, obvious enough for a general audience to know it’s relationship to cars, and recognizable by itself. The only such thing that comes close is a wheel with tire. Even then it overlaps with other things, such as motorcycles (a hubcap may differentiate it with motorcycle wheels or other equipment). A piston is often used in automotive-related contexts I think, but it also applies to many other fields.

The best thing I can think of is a blue Volkswagen Type 1 graphic, likely a left-facing profile view. I’m trying to think of it as an identity problem of the project and a user experience problem of design. The next best thing I can think of is to continue using what it already there. Grimmeh (talk) 01:36, 11 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Flickr account with old cars exhibition

Maybe some of You will apreciate this photostream. All pictures have compatible licenses, so You are free to upload the files to Commons if usefull.--Coentor (talk) 12:51, 30 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Also with Vespa Motorbikes. All files are from Torrent (Valencia).--Coentor (talk) 12:53, 30 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Back axles

A banjo
Salisbury-style axle
Banjo axle

Greetings. Would one of our engineers please write a new article or add a section in an appropriate place explaining what a Banjo rear axle is and why and the reason it was (maybe still is) used. Its beyond my comprehension. Thanks in advance, Eddaido (talk) 21:20, 30 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

It probably belongs as a section under rear axle or maybe narrower articles as live axle or beam axle. It doesn't need a separate article as banjo axle or banjo rear axle, but they could be redirects.
As to the naming, then it's banjo vs. Salisbury style. The difference is simple: how is the pinion carrier attached to the axle tube? Structural rigidity always requires a solid casting to act as carrier for both the pinion and crownwheel - how's the axle attached to this?
In the Salisbury axle, the axle has two half-tubes set into a substantial carrier housing. The pinion and crown wheel are assembled into this from behind and their (crucial!) pre-load adjusted. Then the half shafts are inserted and finally a non-structural oil pan is attached over the rear.
A banjo axle has an axle (the static casing) separate from the pinion carrier. The axle tube is usually lightweight pressed steel; sometimes tubes into a central casing, more commonly two long halves with a welded seam. The carrier (once again, a substantial casting) has the crown wheel and pinion assembled into it and adjusted as a small and compact unit. This is then loaded in from the front of the axle case. It's preferred in post-war years of mass production to make axles this way as it simplifies bench assembly of the adjusted unit. It also makes some heavy maintenance easier, as a new pinion and crown wheel (for repair or to change ratio) can be installed into an axle in situ on the vehicle (difficult to do with a Salisbury and still make a good job of the pre-load).
The 'banjo' name comes about because of the shape of the casing without the pinion / crown wheel loaded. Especially in early axles, these had a near-circular centre casing with cylindrical tubes either side, around a big circular hole and a ring of studs or bolts. It was double-ended, but it did rather resemble a banjo - a popular instrument in the '20s and '30s too. Andy Dingley (talk) 21:52, 30 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Automotive differential: The drive gear 2 is mounted on the carrier 5 which supports the planetary bevel gears 4 which engage the driven bevel gears 3 attached to the axles 1.
Thanks for this Andy. There are still some things I don't follow. Fortunately someone(!) has uploaded a diagram I can use to explain my puzzlement:
My translation, is it correct?
  • The driveshaft (7) or propellor shaft comes in from the right; the half axles are labelled (1)
  • the pinion is (6)?
  • the crown wheel is (2)? aka drive gear
now, from your note above, the pinion carrier is the driveshaft? (Or are you referring to the crown wheel assembly's "planetary bevel gears"?)
And it is linked to the axle by the casing / housing?
If that's OK then I do understand but I do not understand just one sentence
I write because I get puzzled by "A banjo axle has an axle separate from the pinion carrier." Please would you clarify that for me because I cannot understand it. I guess this is because we are discussing simple enough things from quite different angles and that is why I'm floored. I can follow all the rest or I think I can.
I think Beam axle is the right place for the paragraph. Regards, Eddaido (talk) 08:52, 31 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
That image doesn't help. As it's of the rotating parts alone, it's identical for both the Salisbury and banjo patterns. In both the rotating parts are the same, it's the static bits that make the difference.
There are two functions for both axles: holding the tubes and halfshafts in place relative to the crownwheel and also holding the pinion in place relative to the crownwheel. In the Salisbury axle, one large casting does both tasks. In the banjo axle, it's split in two: a heavy casting holds pinion and crownwheel together and a light sheet case hold the tubes onto the casting (and thus the crownwheel). The advantage of the two piece banjo is that the difficult alignment of the gears takes place with a smaller unit. Andy Dingley (talk) 15:35, 31 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
MGs (MGB, I think the later MGA too) were fitted with both Salisbury and banjo rear axles over the years. The three pictures show the variants for an MGB. Top is a Salisbury (from the prop shaft front side, with the crown wheel, diff and pinion in place). Lower two are banjo casings with the diff carrier removed, also from the prop shaft front side. They're slightly different because one is wire wheels and the other is disc wheels. Andy Dingley (talk) 15:41, 31 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Here's a slightly older MG Y with a banjo axle, with the diff carrier in place. http://www.mgccyregister.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/Panhardbb.jpg Andy Dingley (talk) 15:43, 31 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, I had no problems with that I just brought in that new image to see if it would help you to get across your meaning for your sentence "A banjo axle has an axle separate from the pinion carrier." No matter then. Thanks, Eddaido (talk) 02:34, 1 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Notification: proposed merger of Škoda Garde

I've proposed a merger of Škoda Garde into Škoda Rapid (1984). Here's the discussion. – Cloverleaf II (talk) 16:03, 7 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed deletion of Holden W platform

The article Holden W platform has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

Unreferenced, original research, and I believe this so called "platform" is nothing more than WP:Synthesis based on a collection of (correct) information bundled to create this article on an assumption that such a platform exists. See also: User talk:GTHO#Holden W platform.

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Proposed deletion of Toyota Corolla (Altis)

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The Corolla Altis is simply the Asian name for the identical Toyota Corolla in other markets.

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WikiProject X is live!

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Harej (talk) 16:56, 14 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Liftbacks (nominated deletion of category)

FYI, Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2015 January 14#Category:Liftbacks. OSX (talk • contributions) 11:30, 15 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I see this has now been closed. Warren (talk) 22:57, 27 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Lancia Beta wiki page

I've had to correct the bit about the Beta rust scandal about only Series 1 cars and saloons being affected. I was there at the time and can assure everyone that all models were affected and were scrapped - Series 11 cars, Coupes, HPE's and Spiders. I can vaguely recall a couple of Monte Carlo cars as well at the scrapyard but wouldn't put money on it! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.189.97.227 (talk) 19:09, 18 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Daihatsu Materia/Toyota bB

Anyone fancy merging Daihatsu Materia/Toyota bB with Toyota bB... seems to be a lot of duplication but no idea which would be the lead model. Warren (talk) 22:57, 27 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I agree, with Toyota bB as the title. OSX (talk • contributions) 10:06, 30 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I've merged Daihatsu Materia and Daihatsu Materia/Toyota bB into Toyota bB. Thankfully the Subaru Dex was already merged. Not quite sure how we managed to get three near identical articles! Warren (talk) 00:01, 11 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Driventowrite.com

Casalingua (talk · contribs) seems to edit Wikipedia for only one reason, to add citations and external links to Driventowrite.com. I can't find any previous discussion of this source. Is it considered reliable? --Dennis Bratland (talk) 16:42, 31 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

It's just a blog. I would say "not reliable" unless the author(s) have some great standing in the industry. I've never heard of the editor before. bobrayner (talk) 17:17, 31 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hi: I´ve just worked out how talkback operates. You will also notice I´ve extensively referenced the Peugeot 604, Citroen XM, Lancia Trevi and Lancia Kappa coupe as well as adding miscellaneous period references to old print media (magazines). Driventowrite seems to have some material worth referencing as well which is why I added it. Does anyone else know of a good survey of five-cylinder engines which is one artile DTW has which looked useful to me. casalingua — Preceding unsigned comment added by Casalingua (talk • contribs) 13:12, 3 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Studebaker Avanti R2 - location and date of road test wanted

I found the following quote from a 1962 Australian publication at [www.theavanti.net]

The Avanti comes in two basic models – the R1 which has a carburated V8 engine – and the R2 which uses the same engine boosted by a Paxton centrifugal supercharger. Official bhp and torque figures have not been released for either version, but judging from the car's performance it would be near 220 and 280 bhp. This takes the Avanti into the ranks of the world's fastest sportscars. With a 3.73 to 1 rear axle ratio and four-speed manual transmission, the R2 will accelerate from 0 to 60 mph in 6.3 seconds and from 0 to 100 mph in 16.5 seconds. The standing quarter mile can be covered in less than 16 seconds. During special tests from a standing start along a 2.25 mile straight, an R2 Avanti, fitted with a 3.31 to 1 axle ratio, touched 171.1 mph. Only 60.8 seconds were required to cover the entire distance. The Avanti averaged 133.3 mph for the distance.

Can anyone verify if the car that achieved the 171.1 mph was a production version, and how, when and where the test was carried out. NealeFamily (talk) 03:23, 1 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

MG

There is a old discussion on merging MG Cars and MG Motor to create a combined history of the MG marque (see Talk:MG_Motor#Merger_proposal). Any further comments before I attempt to close the discussion? Warren (talk) 22:58, 10 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Lead image of the "Morris Oxford Farina" article

Is this, as it is, a suitable lead image for the Morris Oxford Farina article?

The picture at right shows the lead image at Morris Oxford Farina as it currently exists. I contend that this is a picture of a landscape with a car in it somewhere. There are several photos of this model that are more suitable, including some that are elsewhere in the article.

I haven't found anything in WP:CARPIX that explicitly states that the car should be shown up close in the photograph, but I do remember this discussion: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Automobiles/Archive 36#Which is the better image?. The current lead image reminds me very much of Image 3 from that discussion.

Any thoughts?

Sincerely, SamBlob (talk) 23:47, 10 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Nice picture, but the car is too distant for a lead image! Warren (talk) 00:00, 11 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

sparse page

I am used to getting more depth of discussion regarding theory of operation from wikipedia pages, and found the muffler entry too sparse to be useful. I hope this page can get more attention from an experienced editor to better discuss the techniques used for various muffler designs.

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