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DYK for Karl Wilhelm Fricke[edit]

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Thank you much. Regards Charles01 (talk) 07:15, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

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Featuring your work on Wikipedia's front page: DYKs[edit]

Thank you for your recent articles, including Peter Abrassimov, which I read with interest. When you create an extensive and well referenced article, you may want to have it featured on Wikipedia's main page in the Did You Know section. Articles included there will be read by thousands of our viewers. To do so, add your article to the list at T:TDYK. Let me know if you need help, Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 03:42, 28 April 2015 (UTC)

In the case of this entry, I think there is still quite a lot of information in Polish Wikipedia and in Russian sources which I have not sufficiently accessed, and my initial thought is that it should probably be expanded before becoming a DYK candidate. Still, maybe putting it up for a DYK would bring in potential contributors with better Russian and Polish than mine (not much of a challenge, alas, especially for a member of Wikipedia Project Poland such as yourself!) able to add materially from Polish and Russian language sources. Regards Charles01 (talk) 05:45, 28 April 2015 (UTC)

WikiProject assessment tags for talk pages[edit]

Thank you for your recent articles, including Peter Abrassimov, which I read with interest. When you create a new article, can you add the WikiProject assessment templates to the talk of that article? See the talk page of the article I mentioned for an example of what I mean. Usually it is very simple, you just add something like {{WikiProject Keyword}} to the article's talk, with keyword replaced by the associated WikiProject (ex. if it's a biography article, you would use WikiProject Biography; if it's a United States article, you would use WikiProject United States, and so on). You do not have to rate the article if you do not want to, others will do it eventually. Those templates are very useful, as they bring the articles to a WikiProject attention, and allow them to start tracking the articles through Wikipedia:Article alerts and other tools. For example, WikiProject Poland relies on such templates to generate listings such as Article Alerts, Popular Pages, Quality and Importance Matrix and the Cleanup Listing. Thanks to them, WikiProject members are more easily able to defend your work from deletion, or simply help try to improve it further. Feel free to ask me any questions if you'd like more information about using those talk page templates. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 03:42, 28 April 2015 (UTC)

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Asking a big favour (please feel free to say "no")[edit]

In late February 2010, you added a large amount of information to the Bugatti Royale article, most of which was sourced from an article by H. G. Conway on pages 17 to 20 of the 8 February 1969 issue of Motor.

I have formatted the Bugatti Royale article in a way that makes it easier to display the page number from which the information was taken from the source.

Is the 8 February 1969 issue of Motor still available to you? If so, would you please look through the articles and match the citations here to the respective page numbers in Motor?

I understand that this would be a large amount of input for a fairly trivial output, so I would understand if you would not want to go to the trouble. I just figured I had nothing to lose by asking.

Sincerely, SamBlob (talk) 23:34, 25 May 2015 (UTC)

Thanks, Sam. Noted. But.... (and yes, thank you for the "please feel free to say "no"" bit). Probably that's all you actually needed to read, but this does raise a thought that I've had over the months, and one more "excuse"/"reason" which I'm happy to share before getting on with the rest of Monday.
Dear Sam, I have seen you rearranging source notes on various occasions over the last year or two (might be ten, but I don't think it is). The way in which you do it means that when I move my eyes from the "inline" number to the "references" section of the page, I then have to move my eyes again, and engage several extra brain cogs, to figure out where and what the source itself actually is. I can get quite "nerdy" about following up source notes: I do it quite a lot, and frankly, making me look at an extra bit of page slows down the process. All this is vanishingly low down my list of "what matters", but other things being equal, I think I prefer "my" way of doing source notes to yours. BUT I am not a typical wikipedia reader, and I guess the most important customer for what we do is the wikipedia reader. If you can tell me a good reason - ideally several good reasons - why your way of doing source notes is quicker (or in other ways better) for the reader, I can try to be open minded. You might even persuade me to change the way I've been doing source notes myself for these past many years, if there is a really good reason - better still if there are several really good reasons - for doing so. The way I "do" source notes I simply learned by copying other people. I claim no special expertise on the subject. I've always (well, ever since I figured out a way to enter source notes myself) been aware that different people do it in different ways, and the wiki software is evidently set up to permit different approaches according to .... I don't know what. Maybe the underlying point is simply people with a background in computing have their brains wired differently from people with a background in .... well, my degree was in History, but that feels like a long time ago these days. I have enough numeracy skills to check that I've not been "done over" in the shops, but I never got through to Calculus; and I learned about computers from an Apple Mac which was a computer designed to be used by people who never thought they could understand computers. Too much information? .... Yup, almost certainly. But, with apologies for being repetitive, I have no very strong opinions on how to do source notes. I'm just happy to have found a way that seems to work. And more than happy to accept - as we all must - that we all approach wikipeida with our mental processes and assumptions to a large extent "preformed", and for those of us more than about 20 years old most of the preforming was done while we communicated on paper by using a mechanical type-writer. (Unless people could read your writing - but that never really worked for me.)
On the Magazines I still have them, but they are not indexed and they are stored in about ten large plastic boxes weighing approx 40Kg each in the loft. They are dry and adequately protected against the weather, I hope. I opened them up one by one and had piles of old magazines in my "office" for a bit more than half a year, back in 2010, and went through them seeing what I could glean for wikipedia. No doubt if I were to do it again I'd glean slightly different stuff. But it was quite a major exercise, and I've no plans to do it again any time soon.
Sorry not to write simply "yes". And thank you for all the work you've done on the car articles over the years. For what it's worth (and of course it's only my opinion) you've taught me a lot of new information and tidied up a lot that needed tidying without destroying information in the process. I appreciate all that and I think it makes wikipedia more useful for people who know less about some of these subjects than you and I do, but who, for their own reasons, wish to access more info. But that said (written), no, you haven't persuaded me about a different approach to formatting source notes. Success. Charles01 (talk) 06:24, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
I apologise for not answering earlier; I had mostly prepared a reply on Tuesday, then I went to do some errands, got into an accident, and just got home from the hospital. I can't access the computer so I'm on a tablet now.
Long story short: I don't think it is quicker than your way, but it's more thorough. It allows the citations to have the page number(s) relevant to the statement being made and the reference to have all the page numbers relevant to the chapter or article in question.
Thank you for going in depth with the "no"; it's definitely food for thought.
40 kg boxes! Can't blame you for not wanting to go through those again at all!
Thank you for the appreciation, for your open-mindedness, and for your contributions through the years.
Sincerely, SamBlob (talk) 01:35, 30 May 2015 (UTC)
The habit/instinct in me for always wanting to have the last word is not necessarily a good one and I'm still working on it. Nevertheless .... I had not necessarily expected you to reply, but since you did, thank you for doing so and for understanding. I wish you speedy and total recovery from the residuals of that accident, and that any related administrative nasties will be resolved without undue hassle. Regards Charles01 (talk) 07:05, 30 May 2015 (UTC)

WP:Intertranswiki[edit]

Hi, can I tempt you to put your name down for this project? You don't have to do anything different, it's just a loose association of people who translate from other wikis. Each month we have a stub focus, and you can list 10 French or German articles from a given subject needing transwikying etc.♦ Dr. Blofeld 11:26, 28 May 2015 (UTC)

Ok, Dr.B. Done that. I have a trusting nature and "You don't have to do anything different" sounds good to me.
My own selection of articles that need translating tends to be based, in no particular order, on (1) "What needs doing to make wikipedia "better"?" and (2) "What will be educative/interesting for me to read around a bit?" (The answers, in both cases, take a little longer than the questions.) The only languages, beyond English, with which I am sufficiently familiar to be useful in this context are French and German.
Success Charles01 (talk) 14:47, 28 May 2015 (UTC)
Well, soon we'll have another German one put up, Gerda Arendt can decide which for June, probably a batch of musicians or festivals to be translated from de wiki, so anything you can create towards German and French articles put up on Wp:intertranswiki would be really helpful. Naturally this is why we run the project to tackle systematic bias and make it a better resource!♦ Dr. Blofeld 15:24, 28 May 2015 (UTC)
Hmmmm ..... I tend to avoid the musician articles because they seem to attract more than their fair share of toxic territoriality. Gerda, of course, is an exceptionally sweet one, neither toxic nor territorial at all, but sadly there's only one of her and anyhow, you no doubt knew that already. Obviously I hate systematic bias, though I'm painfully aware that it can very often be defined according to the vantage point of the beholder, and people can choose some very odd corners from which to view the world. (I'm sure they say the nicest things about me, too.) Perhaps I need to go back to the Project Page and see how it defines systematic bias.... Happy days Charles01 (talk) 15:35, 28 May 2015 (UTC)
I simply looked at your recent articles like Barbara Thalheim, a musical personality. While it is true that the top composers/opera articles tend to have conflict, standard missing articles on musicians are unlikely to be battle grounds. Also there's Wikipedia:WikiProject Classical music/Missing articles:Bach Cantatas site which I've been meaning to finish sometime..♦ Dr. Blofeld 15:41, 28 May 2015 (UTC)
You mean that Beethoven and Handel are no top composers? - Starting 7 June, I will go over the Bach cantatas by liturgical year, improving recordings as a sortable list, as already in BWV 22. It would be a goal to have them all free of red links over the year ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:48, 28 May 2015 (UTC)

Gerda, the ones which are red linked in existing cantata articles you can embolden and add a key note at the top so they become more priority :-)♦ Dr. Blofeld 16:25, 28 May 2015 (UTC)

Good idea, I will do that as I notice. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:41, 28 May 2015 (UTC)
When you start a DNB entry can you ensure on wikisource the link to wikipedia is there like this. That will take it out of the missing articles category!♦ Dr. Blofeld 09:41, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
Noted. Thanks. I'll embolden a bit of what you write in order to increase the chances of (1) remembering and (2) being able to find it if I don't. Regards Charles01 (talk) 09:47, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

A barnstar for you![edit]

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Really appreciate your work on here and assistance at the Intertranswiki project!! ♦ Dr. Blofeld 09:20, 5 June 2015 (UTC)

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CD[edit]

I feel that you, of all people, agree that CD (Charles Deutsch) oughtn't be a redlink much longer. Have any sources? I could probably scrape something together but I am lacking the necessary energy to start a new entry. And then we'll get it DYK?-listed for additional ego boosts.  Mr.choppers | ✎  02:18, 8 June 2015 (UTC)

There's already an entry on Charles Deutsch. Is that the same fellow? I think it must be, though if you tell me I'm wrong I'm more than happy to plead ignorance. The question then becomes do we need an entry for the man AND the car? Or one for both together? And would I have started from here? (Probably not....) Do I have sources? Possibly, but possibly not, and it would take quite a lot of digging and it would most likely not be enough to tick "my" boxes for dyk listing. dyk is indeed a useful ego boost but I hesitate to submit stuff unless ... well, I guess unless I find it interesting! If you get to the point that you can't hold off starting something, please don't hold off on my account. If I get in first, no matter, but don't hold your breath. I THINK my preference would be to start by adding more on the cars in the existing Charles Deutsch entry while reserving the right to split out into two entries on (1) the man and (2) the cars when there's quite a bit more there. But I don't feel too strongly, if you prefer to jump in with a separate "cars" entry straight off.
I can certainly identify with "I am lacking the necessary energy ... " but that risks digressing into "too much information". Success Charles01 (talk) 06:35, 8 June 2015 (UTC)
Very much that Charles Deutsch! Well, CD's offshoot SERA-CD still exists although mister CD died in 1980. But yes, maybe it's the "too much info" that hinders me. We'll see what happens.  Mr.choppers | ✎  02:07, 9 June 2015 (UTC)

Franay[edit]

I am in the process of completing a new article about this Paris coachbuilder copying from French Wikipedia. I am very likely to have made bad mistakes. Please would you glance at it and correct same. It seems there are many Paris coachbuilders unaccounted for in this WP have you considered giving them some coverage here? Regards, Eddaido (talk) 02:42, 8 June 2015 (UTC)

I hesitate to jump in on this. We all use English differently, and inevitably if I do it every phrase will be different. But it won't be any better, and you will no doubt conclude that I've downplayed important things and introduced gratuitously other stuff that doesn't belong and ... and.... that I've used ALLLL the WRONG ADJECTIVES.
There's clearly nothing wrong with your French. (And / or you know how to use a dictionary. Well ... yes.)
But if you don't mind an instant reaction .... some of your translation is a tad literal. "Habiller" does indeed show up in the dictionary as "dress" and no doubt if you google deshabiller (but taking the trouble to find the acute accent) you'll get nice (or not) pictures of people undressing, but in the context of coach builders I'd avoid such a literal translation and be less direct. I'd just say something like "Franay worked with prestigious / high-end automobile manufactures such as Dela..., Rolls Royce, Bugatti - or whoever it was he worked with." But that's a question of taste. Not of "right or wrong" Same with "Activity stopped in 1955". To a francophone reader it's clear what you mean, but for someone thinking in English.... "The last bodies were manufactured in 1955" or "Production ended in ...." presumably conveys the same meaning without making it so obvious that your brain is thinking in a foreign language. The Americans use a phrase along the lines "The factory was shuttered in ... " but I avoid that because in English English it sounds plain weird. Of course, in groping for a translation that (1) tells the reader what actually happened and (2) doesn't look so obviously like a translation, you might end up consulting your learned tomes and / or googling some more, so that you could (1) spell out in greater detail what actually happened and (2) give us another source note.
So like I say (write) I hesitate to rewrite what you wrote because you clearly understand what it says in French and any changes I made would be changes indeed but not necessarily improvements. Regards Charles01 (talk) 06:20, 8 June 2015 (UTC)
But I couldn't resist meddling anyhow. Feel free to revert where not persuaded.... Success Charles01 (talk) 07:42, 8 June 2015 (UTC)

Wechselvoll[edit]

... describes that something has ups and downs, mostly used when there are severe downs ("life is like a roller-coaster"), - we don't have to faithfully translate every whim (also called POV) of a German poet writing a Wikipedia article, - "translated" is only to give credit to some original author ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:00, 8 June 2015 (UTC)

Noted. Thank you, Gerda. I suppose part of my difficulty with this particular entry is that I know very little about the world of rock music. So I'm more inclined to apply the poetry of the other fellow, for better or worse, than to try and dredge up my own concerning a planet I never inhabited. You may say that poetry - anyone's poetry - has no place in an encyclopaedia in the first place, but then we get into the challenge of identifying and defining poetry. And in any case, I don't think any of us wants to make wikipedia so dry and scholarly that the reader loses the will to live. Just thinking on paper, you understand. You're under no obligation to agree. Nor even to read it. Regards Charles01 (talk) 16:40, 8 June 2015 (UTC)
I think you understand me better than you know ;) - I like poetry, and use it, - only if the translation causes you headaches, forget it, keep simple, - there's the German page for those who want it. - I have written many biography articles but never said in the lead that a career was not straightforward always improving, - the facts can tell that, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:51, 8 June 2015 (UTC)

Hey there[edit]

Do you have any period info on the 1972 Earls Court Motor Show? This guy was there and has a bunch of lovely b&w photos available, but I have a hard time finding out if there were any major introductions taking place at this show. Cheers,  Mr.choppers | ✎  03:32, 14 June 2015 (UTC)

It's a WONDERFUL collection, with a very high proportion of "car identification challenges". Thanks.
My joy us greatly compromised because our internet connections here depend a lot on copper wires installed back the last time when spending money the nation hadn't got was "no object" - ie during the 1940s. I followed your link, but after 4 pages it stopped downloading at all, and even before that some of the pix refused to appear. So I never got to the blackandwhite pictures. Lots of colour ones of cars mostly from the 50s and 60s, but possibly photographed at "old-timer" rallies in the 70s or 80s. No pictures of British cars, but quite a lot of cars made by a British company (BMC) in Austrlalia. Morris Major/Austin Laser, Morris Marshal etc....
But you asked a question. Motorway guides for Earls Court Motor Show. Does that mean 1972 motor show in October 1971 or 1973 motor show in October 1972? Either way, the answer is that by then they were making me do more in the way of serious exams at school, so I didn't collect motor show supplement with the fervour of 65 / 68. Also, unless the pix you have in mind are of a different generation of cars for a different market from those I found when I followed your link (pages 1-4 of the contributor's FLICKR oeuvre) then I'm not sure how relevant they'd be. You may be to young to remember, but until the 1970s the UK was not part of the EEC. (I'm not sure Sweden was either.) Tariffs had come down in the early 60s because of the "Kennedy round" tariff cuts but the UK auto-industry was still heavily protected in the early 1970s. Somewhere round 1972 the newspapers were squealing that imports were taking a massive 10% of the car market. Imports were almost all Beetles, Renaults, Fiats and (just beginning) Datsuns/Nissans. And yes, for some reason most of British automakers had stopped developing family saloons for the haute-bourgeoisie around 1962, so by 1972 Volvos were doing rather well in the UK from the mid 60s on. (Rover 2000 too cramped, Jaguars plain vulgar, and anyhow the perception was that British cars tended to break down more than Swedish ones...) That was about it. Stars at the 71/72 (for models years 72/73) motor shows would have been things like the Vauxhall Victor FE, the Ford Granada (which was in some ways an "import" as the competition were quick to let you know), Morris Marina. Frankly, the early 70s were a pretty barren period for UK auto makers in terms of new models. For adventurous "early adopters" people prepared to risk imports, Fiat 127, Renault 5 ....
If I find a better way to look at those pix, I will. Better still, if you were to send me a link more directly to the pix you were writing about, that would be a kindness. Either way, I will react with delight if you would find it helpful for me to try and identify any individual pix using a link, especially if it's a link that I can persuade to work.
Regards Charles01 (talk) 07:58, 14 June 2015 (UTC)
PS The other big show west European show was Paris. Peugeot 104
or Frankfurt/Geneva Mercedes-Benz W116 (S-Klasse)
Citroën GS Camargue this photo is one of his from October 1972. Cool, huh? His pictures are all uploaded in a big jumble and not labelled systematically, so one has to scroll through page after page - which is rather pleasant. Well, if you come upon a period Autocar or such, keep it in mind!  Mr.choppers | ✎  02:35, 17 June 2015 (UTC)
Many thanks. I clicked on the "source" link for the Citroen pic you'd uploaded to wiki and got through to a lot more of Andrew Bone's car pix on Flickr. Still I have issues with getting so many megs to appear down the wire and on my screen, but I got through a goodly number before the thing completely stopped downloading. They're a wonderful palette of car history and a lot of them are seriously good as pictures (IMHO as I think one may be should add at this point). Fun to see the pictures the guy took >20 years ago of cars that were already of classics even then. And I've realised he labelled them - informatively and as far as I can tell very accurately - so my offer to identify some is rather beside and beyond the point. Specially liked the BMW 326 cabriolet (indoors), some of the Ferrari and Leyland P76 portraits, one from the back of the Borgward P100 ... and some of the Australian car ads. There's a lot of atmosphere of the time and place with some of those Holden pix at Australian shopping malls (?) But I think he's uploaded so many pictures, that it's really pretty random which of them I got to look at before my copper wire (or possibly my ISP, though it's a whole lot better since we switched away from Orange) lost the will to cooperate. The pictures of the little monkey on the man's hairy leg, of the crocodile, and of a girl who might or might have been pregnant because in those oh so seventies dungarees you could never really tell.... also stick in the mind. But they're not cars, so out of scope? Anyhow, thank you much. Regards Charles01 (talk) 03:38, 17 June 2015 (UTC)
Yes, his stream is lovely. I did a further effort and found that he only has seven photos from Earls Court 1972, the good ones are here: [1]. Anyhow, I hadn't realize that my internet connection isn't the worst. One gets spoiled, I suppose.  Mr.choppers | ✎  14:45, 19 June 2015 (UTC)
Ah yes, the days when Citroën and flair belonged in the same paragraph. Then again, I still have some respect for Peugeot and I wish them all/both well. At the back of my mind I have the thought that you once drove a 405/406, but maybe that was someone else: either way, my father had a 305 in the 70s/80s. It would certainly be be sad if the time ever came when PSA couldn't afford to maintain the excellent museum at Socheux. Thanks for the links, anyhow. As for internet connections, it is truly horrifying aka terrifying how quickly and absolutely we have all become dependent on another technology that no one - including the people who created it - understands. But then I guess the future generally looks more alarming before you get there than after it sailed past. Generally but not always. I hope I don't feel as old as I sound. Hrmph. Charles01 (talk) 15:01, 19 June 2015 (UTC)
Well, you can't be all that out of touch seeing as how we are communicating right here. I used to have a 505 Turbo (points for remembering), now I have a Volvo 245. Cheers.  Mr.choppers | ✎  03:05, 29 June 2015 (UTC)

Falca Lines[edit]

Hi, could you, Furius or Ipigott translate from German wiki?♦ Dr. Blofeld 07:24, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

I'll happily put it on "the list". It ticks my "looks like it might be interesting" box. On the other hand, so do 1001 other things. So I shall not weep if someone else gets in first!
Given how many entries - many of them really quite good in terms of what I think wiipedia "is for" - there are in the German wiki, it's troubling that you have only three "project people" on whom to call for this. On the other hand, I'm really not enough of a wiki-networker to have any obvious further candidates in mind. And there is self evidently a tension - for all of us, but chiefly for you - between expanding the project to cover more ground and not wishing to it grow to the point where it becomes unmanagable. And hmmmm. Success Charles01 (talk) 07:37, 15 June 2015 (UTC}}
Well, there is Gerda and Bermicourt but they're usually pretty busy. And of course there was Yngvadottir, no longer with us :-(. I agree though, given the massive scale of the task and how many decent articles there are to transwiki we could do with 1000 editors like yourself. One wonders where they all are... And yes, it's very much finding a balance, I don't want to overburden anybody, myself included, I want to keep things productive, but not pressure everybody. Contributing has to be enjoyable. I could of course scale the project and merge with WP:Missing articles and get a bot to draw up a directory of every missing article on other wikis and spend all my time on here creating missing articles lists but it would be counterproductive. Unless they can reasonably be started, banks of red links will sit around untouched for years so there's no point.♦ Dr. Blofeld 09:12, 15 June 2015 (UTC)
Maybe Xwejnusgozo who has already undertaken excellent work on Malta's fortifications could tackle this one too? The German article cites English-language sources. It would be more logical to draw on them directly rather than making a translation.--Ipigott (talk) 09:10, 15 June 2015 (UTC)
I couldn't find any decent sources on it in google books Ipigott!♦ Dr. Blofeld 09:13, 15 June 2015 (UTC)
I'll try to expand the article a bit. The Falca Lines are rather obscure, despite being one of the few remaining (and possibly the best preserved) entrenchments in Malta. I'll have a look at the National Inventory of Cultural Property of the Maltese Islands and MilitaryArchitecture.com to try and find more info. Xwejnusgozo (talk) 14:44, 15 June 2015 (UTC)
I see there are indeed a few details here.--Ipigott (talk) 19:31, 15 June 2015 (UTC)
Looks as if it is coming along fine. Well done!--Ipigott (talk) 09:58, 18 June 2015 (UTC)

Charles is a quite incredible contributor!! So is Xwej, it's really positive to have a quality editor working on Malta topics.♦ Dr. Blofeld 19:36, 23 June 2015 (UTC)

Müller[edit]

The actress who shares her given name with me: that would make a fine DYK about her leading the Courage cast if only it had an inline citation. I would do the rest ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:47, 2 July 2015 (UTC)

Yes, it would be nice to find a source for that. I'll see if I can google something for it. Charles01 (talk) 13:29, 2 July 2015 (UTC)
Done that. It's one of those evil google books sources that tends to disappear behind some obscure kind of paywall when you go to check it out six months later, but there's an isbn as well, so anyone with access to a good library who really cares can check it out that way. Not sure I should be so easily bribed with the DYK promise ... though. How about some men? No, don't worry about that! There are many more important things to worry about. Regards Charles01 (talk) 13:46, 2 July 2015 (UTC)
I did a man ;) - I have almost no time for DYK, having set myself a goal of an GA per week, and an extra for feast days such as today, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:23, 2 July 2015 (UTC)
She is nominated, Template:Did you know nominations/Gerda Müller. The next one you can do yourself. You go the the Main page, click on "nominate an article", there to "To nominate an article", enter its title and follow the prompting. When you have created the template, you ping me to check it, or insert it under the day of creation yourself, - it's easy! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:28, 3 July 2015 (UTC)
Noted. Many thanks. I'm still preoccupied by trams. Do you think there is systematic bias against engineering topics in Anglo-American wikipedia (and more generally in The Anglosphere)? I do, but with a degree in history and a career the most intellectually demanding bits of which involved variations on a theme of financial control, I don't really feel qualified to do too much about the engineering stuff. Still, my great grandfather did design railroads. Ho hum & happy day Charles01 (talk) 12:39, 3 July 2015 (UTC)

A Slave of Love[edit]

Hi, can you you do me a favour and translate the plot and production from German wiki?♦ Dr. Blofeld 15:20, 3 July 2015 (UTC)

I've done a para. See what you think. I'm slightly outside my comfort zone with movies (They used to give me headaches. More recently when taking the kids to the cinema I used to fall asleep after ten minutes...), but it's interesting stuff for all that. Pls let me know how you react to what I just did - ie as in literal translation vs smooth digestible English prose, or as between English vs American (given that you can't entirely avoid movie/film in this context). And there may very well be things I simply misunderstood, which someone more familiar with the movie context/genre (aka you?) would pick up as obvious nonsense. Be that as it may, I'll happily work through the next few paras (maybe with a respectful pause in case you have any inputs in response to this note). Regards Charles01 (talk) 17:22, 3 July 2015 (UTC)
Ok, I've done as much as I intend to do with this (tho I reserve the right to correct any typoes in it that I come across). I've gone through the German text quite systematically and I think I've squeezed the beef out of it. I've also used - but NOT systematically pillaged - the Italian and Russian texts (where I think one is for the most part a copy of the other). Plus I think a bit of resequencing might be called for to improve the overall architecture of the piece: not sure where to start with that, though. Regards Charles01 (talk) 16:24, 4 July 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for the good edit summary[edit]

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Perugia Cathedral[edit]

Hi, please use the revision history tags only to give detail about your edits and not to add commentary that would more suitable in a forum website. Just for your consideration, the actual position of the statue has the highest dignity because is facing the main square in front of the Fontana Maggiore. Check better your sources next time. --Grifomaniacs (talk) 15:04, 10 July 2015 (UTC)

It's not immediately clear to me what your purpose is with this, but if you want to correct, expand, or .... otherwise improve something that I contributed, please do it. There is nothing that any of us does that cannot be made better, I think. Success Charles01 (talk) 15:41, 10 July 2015 (UTC)

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I think sdomeone may have got in ahead of me and done it. Thank you. Charles01 (talk) 19:29, 17 July 2015 (UTC)
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Hi can you start this?♦ Dr. Blofeld 11:13, 17 July 2015 (UTC)

Yes, but not this week! Best Charles01 (talk) 19:25, 17 July 2015 (UTC)

Nomination of Klaus Huhn for deletion[edit]

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Featuring your work on Wikipedia's front page: DYKs[edit]

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WikiProject assessment tags for talk pages[edit]

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Rolf Schweizer[edit]

Hi, can you or Furius translate this?♦ Dr. Blofeld 08:07, 20 July 2015 (UTC)

Incomplete DYK nomination[edit]

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I did it for you ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:07, 23 July 2015 (UTC)
Still confused. But thank you much. Regards Charles01 (talk) 07:25, 24 July 2015 (UTC)
Confused? You made a nice package (template), but to be seen it has to be placed in the nominations under the date of creation/expansion. That was a bit late now, but we will tell a reviewer about "new DYK user" if needed ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:53, 24 July 2015 (UTC)
Well, thank you. And now I have your kind and much appreciated attention, would you mind taking a moment to look at the message headed "Günther oder Günter" on the talk page of the German language article. I think you may have mother tongue German. Your German is self-evidently much better than mine in any case. I know that spelling of names was not always standardised/standardized, but in the twentieth century I thought it was. There is a part of my brain (though maybe only about 25%) that adheres to the idea that Ordnung muss sein, and part of that says that for Mr Stempel, Günther must be right AND Günter must be wrong ODER ungetauscht. Don't take too long thinking about it, but if there is something obvious (to you) here that I'm missing, I'd love to know what it is. Best wishes Charles01 (talk) 08:02, 24 July 2015 (UTC)
Günter or Günther was on my unwritten to-do-list for later, Bach first, but ok, this one question: even in the twentieth century it was not standardized, and there's Schönberg vs. Schoenberg where you better know when in the person's life you are. I have friends both Günter and Günther, and some mind misspelling ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:31, 24 July 2015 (UTC)
major sources: Günter, Der Spiegel: Günther, - that is the more popular variant, - mistake or what I don't know, - stay Günter, with your sources, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:36, 24 July 2015 (UTC)
Yes, I may not always be very observant about human reactions. I sometimes think a certain element of something approaching mild low-level autism (or worse) is an unwritten qualification for contributors to wikipedia. But even I have noticed that people's names matter to them.
(And yes, I too have known plenty of Günthers and Günters: I expressed myself badly there.)
Thanks again for picking up on this one. Regards Charles01 (talk) 08:41, 24 July 2015 (UTC)

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Rootes Group, Humber Limited[edit]

Greetings Charles01. Wondered if you would like to run a friendly but critical eye over these two articles particularly seeking omissions and confusions etc. Thanks and regards, Eddaido (talk) 11:08, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

Rootes looks as if you've improved the structure a lot which is good. I'll try and take a longer look at this and at the Humber entry over the weekend. One logical disconnect comes in the very first para which presumably is read and also edited by more people than any other - each with different ideas about how the language is meant to work. It starts out by telling us there are two separate entities, (1) a car manufacturer and (2) a distributor/dealer. It then tells me, a couple of lines later, that in the decade starting 1928 Rootes began buying car companies. BUT I think it needs to be made clear WHO was buying car companies. Was it:
Rootes the car manufucturer
Rootes the dealer/distributor
Bill Rootes (whom we have yet to have introduced to us at this stage in the article)
none of the above
I'll maybe find more irritating questions later. But I may not. I have to go and collect Robert from the station now, but I have skimmed most of it and it looks fine, at least on a brief encounter! Success Charles01 (talk) 16:12, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
I've a nasty feeling I've started fiddling with the syntax without actually improving anything which is a dead waste of everyone's time especially mine. Maybe my head will be clearer in the morning. (Takeaway Chinese supper tonight with our neighbour which will be (1) good and (2) unhealthy: sad how the two so often travel together.) Charles01 (talk) 16:30, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
Thank you. Your sure touch just what is needed. I've made some more changes. Please feel free to amend as you see fit. In the inbox alongside Founder I have added Reggie. Maybe I should not have. Two years younger and with a war on he was in the Admiralty until 1919. Your move. Must do an article for Reg unless you would like to do it. Hope supper was every bit as good as promised. Its 6:20 pm and I've done no exercise at all today beyond stepping outside to clear the letterbox.  : ) Eddaido (talk) 06:23, 8 August 2015 (UTC)

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Beautifully appointed Disclaimer[edit]

Hi Charles. You seem to be once again making the mistake you used to make years ago at Daimler. You seem to assume that I have re-written (or even read!) the whole article. I do these things piece-meal. If someone wants to say (or remove) beautifully appointed I let them. At the same time I remember that Humber's "beautifully appointed" cars were made by Thrupp & Maberly and used at Buckingham Palace or wherever. Not to mention transport the Prime and other senior ministers of the Crown. Warm regards, Eddaido (talk) 04:32, 9 August 2015 (UTC)

Yes. I do tend to write "you", addressing the person whose changes I am changing without bothering to go through the edit history to find out the wiki identity of the person I am addressing. Though sometimes you can tell from the way a thing is written. Sometimes, self evidently, not. Best Charles01 (talk) 08:02, 9 August 2015 (UTC)

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Sources[edit]

Template:Did you know nominations/Günter Stempel: can you find/add sources? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:45, 10 August 2015 (UTC)

I've added one more. A lot of the core info is in sources already shown, but I've not been entirely systematic about entering a source link after each period/full-stop. Mea culpa. And of course a lot of the best online sources are necessarily in German which for some purposes may count as the "wrong language".... Maybe I'll come back to it tonight. Thanks for your inputs. I think it's coffee time. Best Charles01 (talk) 17:12, 10 August 2015 (UTC)

Small Snipe preparing for metamorphosis[edit]

1939 Hillman 14 (3722436961).jpg

Or is it transmutation? A smoker by the nicotine on the teeth. Best, Eddaido (talk) 23:32, 12 August 2015 (UTC)

George Livesey has been nominated for Did You Know[edit]

DYK for Günter Stempel[edit]

Thanks for helping with the main page of Wikipedia Victuallers (talk) 13:27, 17 August 2015 (UTC)

I wasn't aware that I had been near the main page of Wikipedia, but if you tell me that I do too much of what I do on auto-pilot .... well, yes indeed. Anyhow, if you like something I did, I'm glad of it, and thank you for the thank you. Tho' I'm still not entirely convinced that you didn't send your message to the "wrong" person. Happy day, either way. Charles01 (talk) 08:29, 18 August 2015 (UTC)

Look! - Excellent, thank you, - more please ;)--Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:24, 18 August 2015 (UTC)

Yes, it seems to have had a good outcome, which may be is more than you can say for Stempel's fate as a politician, alas. Maybe I'll submit a few more, tho' given the constraints on one's available wiki time .... I'm off to upload some pictures of cars which, I fear, just might be higher up my own list of "interesting stuff" than on yours! But of course the infinite - well, closer to infinite than most of us would otherwise get - variety of Wikipedia is one of its joys. Good things. Charles01 (talk) 08:29, 18 August 2015 (UTC)

DYK for George Livesey[edit]

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William Duffus Hunt[edit]

I know this biography can be improved but I cannot decide where or how. What do you think? Cheers, Eddaido (talk) 10:18, 22 August 2015 (UTC)

It seems to have been nicely started off, partly by you. If you've run out of inspiration on it, the best answer is to go away and start something else. You may find if you come back to it a week later your subconscious brain has had some ideas for improvement while you were away/asleep.
If you're too impatient for that, the you need to find a way to attract other enthusiast-contributors (or at least potentially interested parties) to the subject. Entering it to those "project categories" on the talk page is one way to do that. Maybe that's how you picked up on it? Though if you did, you're the first since 2012 to have added substantially in terms of text. Pity there doesn't seem to be a Wikipedia Project Farming. But I'm not the one to start that one. Don't think you are either.
Otherwise, as a device for getting more people to look at it (some of whom might contribute usefully) you could try nominating it for Wikipedia:Did you know. I've only recently discovered this, having till a couple of months ago thought it had something to do with the Readers' Digest. But if you read and inwardly digest what it says on the Wikipedia page, then you'll know as much as I do about it. I nominated en entry I started on

Günter Stempel for a dyk billing, feeling a bit of a twit as I did so for nominating an entry I'd started myself. But it did attract some (on balance seriously helpful) inputs from other people, which is good.

Success Charles01 (talk) 10:46, 22 August 2015 (UTC)
Tell me, is there in some 19th century novel like Tale of Two Cities —or something by Hugo? where one Englishman identifies another in Paris by speaking the code words "Quelle heure est-il Monsieur?"? This is bothering me and you may know. Eddaido (talk) 11:00, 22 August 2015 (UTC)
Not as far as I know, but alas I almost certainly wouldn't. I guess Hugo wasn't on the O-level/A-level syllabus in my time. Dickens was, which completely turned me off him - that and/or the man's intolerably sanctimonious "self-belief". Yours looks like a question for Mr Google. Regards Charles01 (talk) 11:31, 22 August 2015 (UTC)
Hmmm I've been reading up about the Scarlet Pimpernel in Wikipedia. Trouble is, WP and Mr Google etc tend to reflect the interests of the main participants. What is needed is the kind of bright young undergrad also with good general knowledge able to withstand these quiz games one sees so much of these days on tv, well until the present millennium (its 2015!) provided a filtering process. I must try harder. Eddaido (talk) 11:35, 22 August 2015 (UTC)
If I remember rightly the correct response to the above question was along the lines of "it is time for the people to rise against their oppressors" or the like. Eddaido (talk) 23:13, 22 August 2015 (UTC)
I think I was more comfortable with John Stuart Mill myself. But maybe that's simply how it looks from the perspective provided by advancing years. Charles01 (talk) 07:24, 23 August 2015 (UTC)

Wolseley Hornet[edit]

I need help with this article. A great amorphous heap of facts its got too many failings altogether. You might say I've got started and now lost enthusiasm. Wouldn't you like to have a try to set the story out better? Should there be a separate article for the Sedan version? Eddaido (talk) 23:11, 22 August 2015 (UTC)

Riley Elf arriving Schaffen-Diest 2015.JPG
It's a lot better than the entries most cars from the 1930s get. I agree that the overall effect is a bit clunky, but the price is well worth paying: you shouldn't wish to lose information in order to reduce clunkiness, and I'm not sure a complete re-write from me (or from you or from anyone else) would necessarily do the business. When it comes to the detail, you're a lot closer to this stuff than I am. If you really want to do a rewrite (you do?) I guess the approach to take is the one they taught us at school for history essays. Start with a structure so that you know where every para will be and what it will contain. Decide early on whether you want to structure it according to chronology or themes or (more dangerously) both. And if both make sure the two structures are consistently nested one within the other. List all the points and make sure each one fits into one of the slots that by now you have created in your framework. To that point, you shouldn't have written a single line of grown up prose. But once you are satisfied that framework is logical and coherent and you haven't lost anything that you shouldn't wish to lose, the entry should simply write itself. If it didn't, your preparation stage was rushed.... Now sit back and spend the next three years watching your respected wikipedia contributors trampling all over what you just did. BUT generally, if the logic of the structure is sufficiently self-evident, most of the contributions from others will be genuine improvements of the kind you'd have included yourself if you'd thought of it.....
I might be inspired to tweak the odd bit of syntax here and there, but till now the necessary inspiration hasn't struck. Otherwise, I come back to an earlier theme. If you return to this after a pause of a week - or indeed of six months - you will find your brain has refined some of the structures while you were looking the other way. You may find others have introduced improvements some of which genuinely make the entry better. Or you may not. Either way, none of these wiki-entries ever reaches perfection, and you put unnecessary pressure on yourself if you set yourself a lot of targets along the road towards perfection.
Meantime, here's a picture of a Riley Elf of which I am slightly more than averagely happy. It's such an ugly little mutt that it's very hard to get any sort of picture that doesn't simply generate mild aesthetically driven mental nausea. Ach, but that is not the generation of Wolseley Hornet that interests you? Best Charles01 (talk) 07:24, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
Morris Minor MM (low-lights) 1950 moving.JPG
Thanks. Nice car, beautiful background. Great photo. Why have you had those hurdles put up? Don't think they'd keep much out. Regards, Eddaido (talk) 07:44, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
Thanks. The hurdles are intended to separate the old cars from the old planes. And thanks for an excuse to put up another picture of a car (this time with a plane in the background). Like most fencing, the hurdles operate primarily by the consent of those fenced (or hurdled). Also they (the hurdles) are a great place to hang notices pointing to the exit and / or the toilets, and a great place to hang plastic bin bags where, Belgians being generally tidier folk than my fellow Brits, most of the rubbish ends up. And - provided you're careful - you can lean on them. Best Charles01 (talk) 08:32, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
That's right. Looks like you have managed to snap one of my (hoodied) family on tour in Europe, resting before resuming the journey to the toiletten. Great photo too. Have a nice new week, Eddaido (talk) 09:05, 23 August 2015 (UTC)

Hans van der Laan[edit]

It was v courteous of you to ask. I was still expecting to deal with it, but prob from the Dutch article, not the German one, as I am having difficulty sourcing it. I think Dr B has been a bit premature, as there is still a week to go to the end of the month! If you want to take it on, please do, as I am not on Wikipedia much at the moment. Eustachiusz (talk) 14:48, 24 August 2015 (UTC)

Noted. Thanks. I'm not sure I'll get round to it this month, but will probably at least try and make a start. The Dutch entry appears to be reassuringly shorter than the German one, so I agree that looks like the place to start, though possibly coming back afterwards through the prism of the German one to find out how much of it I've misunderstood the first time round..... The French entry is oddly mathematical which alas takes me a long way outside my comfort zone. Actually it - the mathematical stuff - looks disarmingly logical to this non-specialist, but I'm not sure it would stay that way if one started trying to check out / google sources linking the architect to the maths. Just thinking on paper. Regards Charles01 (talk) 15:13, 24 August 2015 (UTC)
If you would give me till the end of the week, I have the Dutch one already half-done - if it's not going to happen may I let you know then? Eustachiusz (talk) 00:46, 25 August 2015 (UTC)
Yes. Of course. I had the feeling that you might already have made progress on this "out of [my] sight". I'm helping (well, I hope it can be helpful) one of the children with a house move over the next few days and will find eminently resistable any temptation to wiki-look again at Hans van der Laan, while wondering how / whether / where in the car to pack a duvet and assorted cooking pots retrieved from last year's student digs. My wife is Dutch and we never really settled between us whether for practical purposes the week ends at the end of Saturday or at the end of Sunday. But looking at the way August is shaped this year, (you and) I don't need to think about that till English "Bank Holiday Monday". Success Charles01 (talk) 06:13, 25 August 2015 (UTC)
Done, at least to the extent of a face-saving stub, for bulking out as and when. Good luck with the move! Eustachiusz (talk) 02:30, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
I'll try and take a look later in the week. Thanks for the update. Best Charles01 (talk) 03:24, 26 August 2015 (UTC)

Johannes Leib[edit]

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Thanks. Yes the "exact text" in question is of course the text from German wikipedia which I pasted in anticipation of doing a quick 'n dirty translation. There might be an issue if that German wikipedia entry was a copy and paste job from somewhere else. My initial suspicion is that both the German language wiki entry and the source to which Coren's dysfunctional toy linked it are copy and paste jobs, wholly or in part, from a third source. Anyhow, I am really not competent to opine on German copyright law. No doubt there are more than enough of people contributing to German Wikipedia who are.
As far as English language wikipedia is concerned, I think it unlikely that an English language summary / paraphrase using a completely different language and therefore by definition completely different words and syntax would fall foul of any relevant copyright law. If it did, then we would all have to stop sourcing anything to anything. Anyhow for better and / or worse I have plenty of other stuff to do and I'm inclined to let Coren sort out his own mess with this one. One of the problems with Coren's toy is that it tends to pick up things where other web sites have copied and pasted from wikipedia, which is immediately apparent if a member of the human race is involved, but until he debugs the thing, or unless he can be arsed to apply any intellectual talent of his own before sending out random robotic messages, his chief contribution with the thing is as a major waste of time. Just an opinion, you understand .... Thanks again for your characteristically and commendably temperate spelling out of how the world must look from Coren's toybox. Regards Charles01 (talk) 00:12, 27 August 2015 (UTC)
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Vans[edit]

Re Hans van der Laan, I followed the usage in the Dutch article: "van" where the name is given in full, but "Van" where the surname stands alone. I suppose in Dutch it helps the surname stand out from normal text, but perhaps we don't need to do it in English, as the word "van" is any case distinctive.Eustachiusz (talk) 21:47, 30 August 2015 (UTC)

Yes, I guess following the Dutch wiki-usage makes sense, tho' it would be interesting to know whether the treatment on the Dutch wiki page reflects general Dutch custom (or even a "rule") or some more approximate aggregation of thought processes. My usual source on such matters is away for a long weekend staying with my mother in law in ... the Netherlands, but I suspect she might come with a thoughtful answer along the lines "on the one hand ... on the other ... ". Sadly for me, I don't have the depth of knowledge on my own account to have any very fixed opinion of my own on this! Regards Charles01 (talk) 06:12, 31 August 2015 (UTC)
Flicking at random through the Dutch Wiki it seems to be a convention there, but I've no idea either whether it's a more general rule in the wide world beyond. I'd be very interested to hear of any further clarification from an informed source!Eustachiusz (talk) 10:57, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

Hans Werner Kettenbach[edit]

Hi, can you translate that from German wiki and add to the potted biography extras?♦ Dr. Blofeld 11:34, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

Certainly. Regards Charles01 (talk) 12:24, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

Decauville[edit]

Decauville 10 horsepower car 1903.jpg

Thought you might like this / these very composed old motorists and their conveyance. Eddaido (talk) 07:56, 3 September 2015 (UTC)

Thanks. Most impressive in several ways. Do you suppose it was a black and white photo that was carefully inked over? Or does the colour come from computer shenanigans of a much more recent vintage. Either way, I don't think it entirely does away with the pained expressions, especially of the lady back right. Did they still have to sit absolutely sill for 60 seconds in 1903? Maybe it was down to just a few seconds by then. I'm shamefully ignorant about some of these time lines.
Best Charles01 (talk) 09:46, 3 September 2015 (UTC)
Me too but I think it is a genuine forerunner to the glossy magazines. I don't know if you had previously heard of this person but as I remember it his father made a truly immense fortune around the time of that photo because he developed the process and ran the business that did the printing. i.e. he was a colour printer and securely fenced in by patents. That will have been an inserted page I imagine. Just an ad for Deauville cars possibly subsidised by the printer?
I think the faces are a lot of fun. Letting the imagination run amok: They are identical twins 16. Mother knows the driver a great deal better than she should know that level of employee. They have just been turned away from a side entrance to Schloss Charlemagne. But mother has called out "Plan B" to the man at the wheel and they are off to find another way in. Poor girls. Eddaido (talk) 10:53, 3 September 2015 (UTC)

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DYK[edit]

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Thanks for bringing me into the loop on this. I'm still hazey (though less than I once was) on this dyk stuff, but if it will encourage more people to look at the entry and improve it, what's not to like?
On the concern - I think yours - that it's a translation from German wikipedia and therefore not a new entry, if you look more closely I think you'll see that I took quite a lot of the factoids from sources as indicated, including many that never (yet) made it to the German wiki equivalent entry: maybe I should have spelled that out more strongly on the affected edit summaries. Either way, on "how much is enough?" ..... I guess that's a judgement, and I claim no special insights on wiki rules and guidelines nor (which can be even more weird and wonderful) their interpretation! Thanks again and best wishes Charles01 (talk) 10:16, 10 September 2015 (UTC)

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Thank you. Looks like my moment for another "proof read"! Regards Charles01 (talk) 14:29, 16 September 2015 (UTC)

Sandbox[edit]

CO#1 I send greeting. Please would you check my sandbox and tell me what you think and none of this diplomatic stuff, please. Regards, Eddaido (talk) 00:28, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

I did look at it and then got called away before replying. Mes excuses as they say somewhere or other. My immediate reaction, which you won't be able to avoid addressing once promoting these entries beyond the Sandbox, was "what is it?" But I think it seemed to look like progress. And sources permitting there are gaps for someone - you? but not necessarily you - to fill in with links to some new potted biographies. I've rather taken to potted biographies. (and helpful subheadings.... UNdiplomatic enough?) Success! Charles01 (talk) 14:29, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
I do not understand it was like being in a different universe or parallel world. this is the page I wanted you to look at! Nice if you could re-glance. Many thanks, Eddaido (talk)
PS and please explain to me how the different pages occur —the parallel universes I mean. D
Looks good to me.
I think I arrived at the wrong page before because of differing assumptions over whether I was looking for "sandbox" or "Sandbox".)
Best Charles01 (talk) 15:40, 19 September 2015 (UTC)
Thank you, and thank you and thanks too for that upper case S. Something new every day. Regards, Eddaido (talk) 22:36, 19 September 2015 (UTC)

Franciscans[edit]

Hi Charles. I notice some more monasteries at Intertranswiki. I should mention that Franciscans don't have abbeys or monasteries (as they are not monks) but friaries, so herewith forewarning that I'll be renaming the Franciscan-related articles. I wanted to explain in advance why! Best wishes, Eustachiusz (talk) 14:04, 16 September 2015 (UTC)

Just looking through the first, I've encountered the wonderful word "Stichkappentonnengewölbe", which I am tempted to take as my user name! Eustachiusz (talk) 14:15, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
... has potential. But maybe you should consult the cat first. Those guys can be devlish pricklyCharles01 (talk) 14:29, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
Thanks. If not monasteries then what? There's the German word "Stift" but for English wikipedia that seemed likely to flag more questions that it answers. No, don't bother to answer: I'll see what soon enough, and look forward to learning from you.
Self evidently, if you feel like translating a couple or six of the redlinks remaining over the next couple of weeks .... well, don't let me stop you. The Head of School (sorry - just been sharing a "siesta" with Private Eye which always takes me back into my distant youth) asked me to list another ten for September, so I did, and I don't exactly mind doing them all, but (1) I think you may have more of the appropriate background knowledge than I do and (2) I like variety and ten monasteries/notmonasteries in a month (with another ten in August - albeit shared between the two of us) doesn't feel too varied. Then again, no pressure. In the long run one likes to think it will all get done by you or me or someone else .... as and when.
Best Charles01 (talk) 14:29, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
Perdrix, toujours perdrix...
I like monastery articles and would very much like to help out with them, but real life is extremely demanding at the moment. Nevertheless, if I can I certainly will.
As for the Franciscans, the cats are simply wrong: they are friars and have friaries. Sometimes, as their heads of house are priors (not abbots), they are described as priories (not abbeys), although this apparently tends to be used more for Dominicans (also friars). There is no set convention for these names in Wikiworld - everyone seems to do their own thing. But a sensible solution that takes into account both IRL usage and Wiki conventions seems to be that if there is just one friary (or indeed monastery) in a location Foo then the default name is usually simply Foo Friary (or Priory or Abbey, but rarely Monastery); but if there is more than one, then they can be disambiguated in various ways, as for example, Franciscan Friary, Foo, vs Carmelite Friary, Foo, or Dominican Priory, Foo; or sometimes St X's Priory, Foo, in a place with several religious houses or in cases where the dedication is genuinely the common name (which is not that often, at least in UK English: we prefer the placenames).
I'll comment further that I started working on non-UK religious houses because I foolishly thought it would be an area in which no-one else was interested, so it would be non-contentious, and for a couple of years it was. But there are all sorts of interests now involved - religious-sectarian, national-political, gender-diverse etc - and the fighting is sometimes very bitter.Eustachiusz (talk) 16:54, 16 September 2015 (UTC)

Dacia 1300 estate[edit]

Dacia 1300 Estate in London, England (photographed 1982 or 1983)
Dacia 1300 saloon/sedan in Poiana Brasov, Romania (photographed early winter (before/between big snow falls) 1978 or 1979)

Hi. Re your picture of the Dacia 1300 Estate. Seems you snapped a very rare vehicle indeed. When was the photo taken, and did you by any chance take any other images? Any further details you could give would be hugely appreciated. Many thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.240.144.36 (talk) 16:32, 16 September 2015 (UTC)

I guess you mean this one. (If you don't, please read no further because my further thoughts will make no sense to you!)
You'll see that I took the picture more than 30 years ago. Things have changed a bit since then, and my memory is certainly incomplete and it MAY be incorrect. But I THINK I took the picture soon after I had got my first expensive camera (Olympus OM2N), and I walked through the more expensive central area of London photographing interesting things. For me interesting things meant interesting cars. I THINK this one may have been in or near the Kensington area of London. There were very few Dacias in England back then. I knew about the sedan/saloon version of this one because (1) I read about it in the motoring press and (2) I'd seen one - this one (lower picture) - in Romania. (I worked at that time in the travel trade.)
I think the Dacia estate photographed in or near Kensington may have been parked in or near the Romanian embassy in London. Maybe someone was on a trade mission from Bucharest to investigate organising an importer and a dealer network in the UK? Maybe the ambassador was a car enthusiast who had driven across from Bucharest to see if he could? I have no idea how or why the car was in England, but I do not THINK this type of car was ever sold in the UK formally.
Because I have photographed the car from the side, I GUESS there were other cars parked close to it behind and in front. I do not know what nationality of license plate it had. From the angle of the sun (and what I remember of my office hours then) it was taken late afternoon, probably after leaving the office in later summer (17.30 - 19.30 (the English time zone is an hour different from the one in the rest of western Europe)) I do not have any other pictures of this car. I do not think I ever took any others.
That's all I know / remember. And I reserve the right to have misremembered. Thank you for being interested! Regards Charles01 (talk) 06:07, 17 September 2015 (UTC)


Wonderful! Thanks v much. Fascinating. Trade mission sounds about right. It shows a few features unique to UK-market Dacias (the rubber mouldings and the roof rack) which were fitted at the importers', in Yeovil. But the only Dacia saloons and estates sold over here were the later 1310 model. What an interesting vehicle!

Citroen Olcit.JPG
Volkswagen Beetle successor proposal (1967) which never got past the prototype stage.JPG

The one you snapped in Romania is also quite special: non-standard bumpers, paint and wheels, which would have made it stand out from the crowd. Licence place was issued in around 1974. Did you see anything else interesting around on your visit? Thanks & regards. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.240.144.36 (talk) 14:21, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

Interesting. I like the way you communicate enthusiasm. Thanks. The one I snapped in Romania was driven by a man playing a leading part in opening up a new ski resort, Poiana Brasov. I knew he must have a very important job because he drove a new car, which back then not too many people did. I cannot imagine what he did to deserve nonstandard bumpers, though. Did I see anything else interesting on the visit? Probably, but I don't know what. I must have photographed one or two more or less finished hotels, but I don't know what happened to those pictures.
Otherwise, if "interesting", means "Romanian cars", here's an Oltcit I photographed in northern France a couple of years later (and appear to have mis-spelled for the file name). It's not a very good picture: the sun was in the wrong place, but it has rarity value. We never got many Oltcits in western Europe. If "interesting" simply means "interesting" .... well, here's a picture I took earlier this year (2015) of a Beetle replacement that never made it to production. And here's a link [4] to all the pictures I ever uploaded to wikipedia (except for one or two that I deleted when better ones came along). But ... please infer no disrespect (to either of us) when I acknowledge that you probably should have many more important things to do than follow it. Regards Charles01 (talk) 13:52, 22 September 2015 (UTC)

Godfrey Baseley[edit]

Hi there. Sorry about this, but this was such a long time ago that I have forgotten the information you seek. Again I apologise because of this. ISD (talk) 15:27, 19 September 2015 (UTC)

Thomas Bell (antiquarian) has been nominated for Did You Know[edit]

Thank you. Looks like I need to go back and see if I can find any more typoes to fish out. Best wishes Charles01 (talk) 15:38, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
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Ilanz "Abbey"[edit]

No worries - I'm leaving this one well alone! it's an important house and community, and the de-Wiki article is far too long a translation for me to undertake at the moment. If Blofeld can wait for a few days until the real end of the month, however, I'll do something for Torba.

Also, I'm not quite sure what to call it. It's not an abbey, as the head of the house is not an abbess but a prioress, so "Ilanz Priory" would be fine formally. Dominican women's comunities seem mostly to be referred to as "Convent", although the form "[Placename] Convent" is in the range "peculiar" to "incorrect". If you can confirm as you work through it that the dedication is to Saint Joseph, as seems likely from a very quick glance, then my best suggestion, if you wanted an alternative to "Ilanz Priory", would be "Convent of St. Joseph, Ilanz" or "St. Joseph's Convent, Ilanz", depending on your personal preference. Eustachiusz (talk) 13:13, 23 September 2015 (UTC)

Thanks. On what to call the Ilanz establishment, I guess that when I see the word "nun", then I default to the word "convent", though I think that has more to do with what (I assume) my mother or father must have told me when I was five than with any insights garnered from a nun or a monk. Anyhow, I will certainly on this occasion default to one of your recommendations. Unless POWERFULLY diverted by source notes. Which in this case seems unlikely since presumably things googled are unlikely to be in English, and if they are in English they will most likely be a translation undertaken by someone whose mother tongue is Swiss German or Italian, and for whom English is a third or fourth language. Ach ... just musings.
I'll probably start it tomorrow, but I'll remove that note now. The "risk" that anyone else might start Ilanz seems quite small.
Enjoy Torba.
Best Charles01 (talk) 13:25, 23 September 2015 (UTC)
I saw your comment about the question mark over St Josef / -ph, and your solution is a good one! but better lose the "The" in the article title, as there are very firm rules about when a definite articles can be used there, and this one doesn't fit the criteria. Best wishes, Eustachiusz (talk) 12:35, 24 September 2015 (UTC)

Singering[edit]

by one of WM's better photographers

Hi there Charles01. I wonder if you might be able to assist me. I search for someone with a high level of diplomatic skills. This is because I find on this page three photographs that appear to date a particular vehicle to 1941. This is simply not a possible production date for reasons I will not enter into at this moment in time ever being in need of refuge.

I should think it is a modified version of one of these (which might be familiar to you) because of how it differs in the front, may I say, wings. (The (well, OK, pretty) helmet shaped cycle guards are so oddly supported they can only have been added by someone without knowledge of the right method of doing it). And its date is therefore circa 1933. So different from 1941 (sigh).

So I'd be very pleased if you might find you're able to make an appropriate approach to that particular editor to learn more. He/she may in fact know more than has been added to the metadata or whatever it is called. PS you are allowed to decline this mission and then there'll be no penalty. Yrs sincerely etc. Eddaido (talk) 05:33, 25 September 2015 (UTC)

I thought Rootes switched over to wartime production pretty promptly in 1939 which means it is unlikely hat this car was manufactured in 1941, though I suppose it might have been sitting unregistered in a shed for a couple of years. Is that the point? I know Ryton was a "shadow factory" but did they build any cars there before the war, or did it go directly into aircraft production? In which case, where, if not at Ryton, were those Singers (and Hillmans and Humbers) made in the 1930s?.
Also, old footage of politicians during the war sometimes shows them getting in and out of big old Humbers. Did those come from prewar production, or was there some distant plant quietly trickling out fresh new minted big Humbers during the war?
On a related matter, did you see this? I'd never heard of the Singer 10, but it looks like a real car. Have you heard of it.
Back on the fellow uploading the pictures of the little roadster Singer with the 1941 production year, I think there are a probably in German wiki at least for that particular entry, already too many pictures of virtually the same model, but I wouldn't presume to do anything about it. There are plenty of perfectly reliable people contributing on cars in German wiki who have mother tongue German which I don't. If you simply want me to translate "Why do you think these cars were registered in 1941? I thought they'd stopped making these cars by the end of 1939 because of the war." .... well, yes, I can do that. But I don't know enough about history of Singer wartime production to become usefully involved in any follow up discussion. Regards Charles01 (talk) 06:19, 25 September 2015 (UTC)
Thank you. It seemed like a good idea at the time. Thanks, Eddaido (talk) 07:50, 25 September 2015 (UTC)

DYK for Köpenick's week of bloodshed[edit]

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Many thanks. Regards Charles01 (talk) 19:19, 28 September 2015 (UTC)

DYK for Thomas Bell (antiquarian)[edit]

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And again .. thank you. Success Charles01 (talk) 19:19, 28 September 2015 (UTC)

Oscar Schlitter has been nominated for Did You Know[edit]

I don't really talk to bots. It can sometimes be hard enough trying to remember that there's a member of the human race behind a "normal" wiki-user name, but maybe it's irrational or even plain mean for me to attribute a lesser status to a mere "bot". I did find the Oscar Schlitter entry more interesting than some. And it could be construed as ungrateful to ignore youir notification. So thank you. And happy (within reason) botting. Charles01 (talk) 06:58, 29 September 2015 (UTC)

File:Austin 1300 in Langen.jpg[edit]

Hi there,

Just to let you know that I've reverted File:Austin 1300 in Langen.jpg to your original uploaded version and re-uploaded the colour-adjusted version I made under the filename File:Austin 1300 in Langen (adjusted version).jpg.

The reason was that having come across it again I felt that the changes maybe went beyond what I'd consider trivial "unbiased" colour balance and level correction and was edging into selective changes (if not quite retouching). I also knew that you weren't convinced about the colour (see User talk:Charles01/Archive 22), so upon reflection I probably should have uploaded it as an "altered" or "modified" version separate from your original in the first place.

Sorry if this seems like I'm making a big deal of it, I just thought you ought to know as it was your upload.

All the best! CarbonCaribou (talk) 23:11, 29 September 2015 (UTC)

Most kind of you to point it out. I think I agree with you, though I would never have thought of it for myself!
I'm still wondering just where it was that I took the photograph. I was walking to the station from the house of a very kind family in Langen (between FaM & Darmstadt) who were looking after me for 3 weeks so I could learn to speak German(Hmmm). I drove past the area when I worked near Ludswigshafen >20 years later, but I failed to recognise any of the streets, and I was on the way to an work related meeting so ran out of time. Also, the world looks different from a car, I guess...
Very best wishes Charles01 (talk) 04:39, 30 September 2015 (UTC)
Yikes. Wie ssollte ich Gedankenleser auf deutsch schreiben? Charles01 (talk) 06:16, 30 September 2015 (UTC)
Good point- I hadn't noticed that the registration plate was German... strange place to find an Austin car. Anyway, glad you're okay with it! (Still don't understand that last bit, even with Google auto-translate though!) CarbonCaribou (talk) 18:38, 30 September 2015 (UTC)
I'm almost certain that the unusual combination of a German license plate and an Austin was the reason I photographed it. Even though the car was inexpensive (partly because of currency movements - DM stong: British pre-oil pound regularly sliding - at a time when a lot of the cost of producing cars was simply a reflection of the wage levels of the people putting them together), I don't think German customers trusted the new technology (notably the "suspension") the lousy and inconsistent build quality and the propensity to corrode faster (even ...) than a Kadett A. And if you did have problems with your Austin car in Germany, there weren't too many well trained and experienced mechanics around who knew how to fix Austins. But rarity is also something to be valued - possibly more obviously for the interested enthusiast than for the car owner.... Regards Charles01 (talk) 07:02, 2 October 2015 (UTC)

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DYK for Franz Xaver Oberleitner[edit]

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Thank you, HJ. Regards Charles01 (talk) 05:51, 6 October 2015 (UTC)

Scotney[edit]

This seems to be kinda close to home. Is there a chance this item might be added to your long-term plan for English WP?

Best, Eddaido (talk) 10:26, 6 October 2015 (UTC)

Nice pix too. And as you write, not too far from home. Thanks. It is listed for attention/translation (and may indeed progress up the list faster than average, though as usual, if some other kind person chancing on this wiki-exchange were to get in first, I should not weep uncontrollably). Best Charles01 (talk) 10:37, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
I made a start. See what you think. St.Ives is a small town and I'm sure the link you found must have involved the same company, after they diversified away from making vehicle bodies/trailers in favour of "packaging engineering". (Who he?) Heavy engineering is a tough world for small companies that don't have much access to bank credit. Googling throws up a few more intriguing links - not till now as many as I'd hoped. Something about a photograph of a Tom M Scotney works outing to Skegness in the 1930s[5] and something else indicating that our man was president of the local rotary club in the 1950s [6] but I'm not sure how interested wikipedia readers would be in that. Meantime, I'll finish translating the German entry which gives us at least a respectable "stub". I know you sometimes find your way round archives that have eluded me. Maybe you'll find some more .... please? Anyhow, I need lunch. Best Charles01 (talk) 11:24, 8 October 2015 (UTC)
Thank you, that is great. I spent another hour scratching about online then went to your article and found it incorporated all I'd found. So I went to old newspapers and all I found was that in the 1940s they liked advertising themselves as suppliers of windows doors and joinery for Housing schemes. "Scotney of St Ives", "Mass produced precision made joinery" I wonder if they had been gluing up Mosquitos, were they not all wood? There was of course the truck delivering stuff to Bristol aircraft with on the door "Tom M. Scotney Ltd Manufacturing Woodworkers Saint Ives Huntingdon Phone 3168/9". It seems we rely on Matthias's coachbuilders book for the confidence in it being the correct business. Checked in The Times. Scotney sold a surplus lathe in 1945 and his 1947 3.5-litre Jaguar (with Ace wheel trims and HMV radio) in December 1948. The only thing I could suggest is the business be described rather than engineers as Manufacturing Woodworkers, they were after all just adding a wood framed body with almost all flat steel panels. Sorry so slow to return. Eddaido (talk) 06:03, 9 October 2015 (UTC)
While I'm passing — your Davidsohn item is a fine bit of work. Eddaido (talk) 20:32, 9 October 2015 (UTC)
Thanks. It was indeed one - doesn't always happen - that turned out to be more interesting than expected, once I'd started translating it, and done a bit of googling around to try and pad out the sourcing a bit. It helps that she obviously had good clear recall, and delighted in telling her own story years later. Obviously it also helps that there were people around who were in turn delighted to listen, to record and to share those memories. Good weekend Charles01 (talk) 05:46, 10 October 2015 (UTC)
of interest? Eddaido (talk) 01:20, 14 October 2015 (UTC)

DYK for Pantaleon Hebenstreit[edit]

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Not quite gone yet...[edit]

Thank you for your very kind message! Leaving fed-up-ness aside, I really have no choice at the moment but to cut my time right back for the next few months, but I'll re-think once the pressure has eased. As you say, I've always come back before! In the meantime I've not completely burnt my boats and am happy to aim to do a couple of Intertranswiki architecture articles as and when. It seemed better, and fairer, to lower the bar to nothing and then do one or two occasionally than to carry on under the expectation that I'd be doing more, and then not to deliver. If I do find time to tackle any bridges, I'll start with the last and work backwards, in the hope of avoiding clashes. Thanks again and all best wishes, Eustachiusz (talk) 12:56, 9 October 2015 (UTC)

Translation[edit]

Hi, can you please translate Er ist eine große Überraschung und spielt mit seinen 20 Jahren wie ein Alter spielt mit seinen 20 Jahren wie ein Alter". RRD13 দেবজ্যোতি (talk) 13:13, 9 October 2015 (UTC)

I've no idea. It all depends on the context.
"Er ist eine große Überraschung und ..." could be "He is a big surprise and..." (but I guess you knew that already...)
"... spielt mit seinen 20 Jahren wie ein Alter" MIGHT be "...despite being only twenty, plays like an old man / mature player / "old pro".
"ein Alte" could be "an old man". I don't know why "Alte" has an "r" on the end , but then German word endings often confuse me. Which is why for wikipedia purposes I tend to restrict myself to translating one way into English.
Anyhow, as ever (and as I already wrote) it all depends on the context. If my suggestions are consistent with what you might expect, then the translation works. If not, not.
Success Charles01 (talk) 13:35, 9 October 2015 (UTC)

Mary Saran has been nominated for Did You Know[edit]

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Bruges City Hall[edit]

Hello, Charles

As you have seen already, I changed a few things in your article on Bruges City Hall (as you asked some days ago). Thank you for making new pages on Bruges in the English Wikipedia!

Your contributions on bishop Faict and Anselm de Peellaert look rather OK to me. I'll ask Andries Van den Abeele (who knows a lot about Bruges and is a very assiduous contributor to the Dutch Wikipedia) to have a look on them also.

Kind regards, Marc Ryckaert (MJJR (talk) 16:38, 12 October 2015 (UTC)).

Thank you, Marc. When I was better at walking (and better at eating chocolate) than I am now, I grew fond of Bruges. These days I try and drive round it - and try and avoid even doing that between 16.00 and 18.00 - since I still have family connections across the frontier north of Maldegem. But I still have good thoughts and memories for that city hiding inside its moat! Many thanks for asking Andries to check these entries too.
Also .... how do you feel about translated entries on people from Gent? (Jules Van den Heuvel). Or even bridges? (Temse Bridge (East Flanders)) My English is fine (I think...) but my Dutch is not. BUT please ignore this if it may interfere with more important projects on Dutch wikipdia. And not, indeed, if it will interfere with real life. My "thank you" will remain undiminished and heartfelt concerning Bruges!
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Thank you. Charles01 (talk) 23:37, 29 October 2015 (UTC)

Can you or Furius translate Hotel Waldhaus (Flims) [7]? Loeba requested it.♦ Dr. Blofeld 19:11, 29 October 2015 (UTC)

Yes, happily. Unless Furius wants to get in first. I never weep if Furius gets in first. Is that the one Carl Jung stayed at? I washed dishes in a big hotel in the next village during a winter season in the 70s. I think I may have popped round to the Waldhaus to visit fellow guest workers from the anglosphere. Too much information? Yup. Charles01 (talk) 23:37, 29 October 2015 (UTC)

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I love your comments ;) Thanks for your additions to Catherine Feuillet. As you know, I don't speak French or read it. That being said, her contributions seemed huge. If she really does crack the code, the GMO debate will explode. I love that you found her DOB/POB and the quote is great! SusunW (talk) 15:16, 7 November 2015 (UTC)

Clearly you have excellent judgement (as in you agree with me - though I trust you would not hesitate to tell me where you did not...) Thanks for reacting. Sometimes googling can land you on a nice source and I think I got lucky with this one. I'm afraid I find the intelligent journalistic style a whole lot easier on the digestion than the mega-scholarly. Especially (though not only) where I drift outside my mother-tongue. And I do think a well-judged quote can make a subject come alive - more multi-dimensional, as well as providing an excuse to build a wiki-entry beyond a 'mere wall of text'. Though of course I accept that if you put too many holes in the wall, the house falls down. Charles01 (talk) 15:32, 7 November 2015 (UTC)
What I have learned is that I get very different sources from a search engine here in Mexico than those of you across the pond do. I only hope that on some of these that seem very important, someone does jump in and make the articles better. I searched and searched and was totally unable to come up with her point of origin. I definitely notice all your little tweaks here and there and appreciate them. Articles can almost always be improved from another set of eyes :) SusunW (talk) 15:38, 7 November 2015 (UTC)
Interesting. What I did for the search engine here, as far as I remember, was to enter "Catherine Feuillet née". Because the word "née" includes an acute accent that doesn't turn up so much in English sources, you tend to drive the French language sources to the top of the list. Though of course if the Great God Google says that in Mexico thou shalt not access French language sources .... well, it's alarming on several levels, but clearly it's an aspect of the planet we've ended up living on. Charles01 (talk) 15:44, 7 November 2015 (UTC)
Great suggestion. I often follow Spanish bio queries with nació to pull the Spanish sources to the top. As I said, don't speak French and while I know that née is the designation (even in English) for born, didn't occur to me. (Significantly, I think it matters not that it is France. I can hardly find any sources for Chile in google, but I get great results on Romania. If I use an IP hiding engine I can find Chilean sources. Go figure.) SusunW (talk) 16:26, 7 November 2015 (UTC)

DYK for Mary Saran[edit]

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Thanks for the update, Casliber. Success Charles01 (talk) 12:10, 8 November 2015 (UTC)

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Peugeot 403 references[edit]

There is an error in the references on the Peugeot 403 page which I think may stem from an edit which you did some time back. Cheers. GTHO (talk) 00:19, 21 November 2015 (UTC)

So there is (?was). I think I just corrected it, but if not pls advise. Regards Charles01 (talk) 08:48, 21 November 2015 (UTC)

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DYK nomination of Hotel Les Trois Rois[edit]

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I don't think I made any such submission. It's true, however, that I don't remember everything I do.
But a couple of people including you seem to have gone through the entry and made some changes, some of which are corrections of typing errors, some of which are syntax improvements and some of which are syntax changes which, though I don't necessarily think I'd have made them myself, do not materially detract from the quality of the thing. If that's part of the submission process, then good. And thank you! Regards Charles01 (talk) 08:55, 22 November 2015 (UTC)


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Noted. I tend to archive stuff after I am as sure as I can be that I'm unlikely ever to need it again, or at least not very often, and these days even here (ie UK) where the de facto monopolist telephone company provides third world quality infrastructure under many circumstances ..... I think the copper wires are slightly less ubiquitous and the thing is a little less snail-like than once. But you're right: I'm probably overdue for a burst of archiving. Regards Charles01 (talk) 08:46, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

DYK for Heinrich Schmitt[edit]

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Thank you. Regards Charles01 (talk) 12:10, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

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DYK for Hotel Les Trois Rois[edit]

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Teufelhof Basel[edit]

Hi Charles, hope you're well. Can you expand this?♦ Dr. Blofeld 20:20, 9 December 2015 (UTC)

Yes, I rememebr I did google round a bit, but didn't really come to any clear sense of where it might go. Maybe I'll need to take another look. Best Charles01 (talk) 06:50, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

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Stub vs start[edit]

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There seems to be a wide range of views on what constitutes a stub and what constitutes as non-stub / ex-stub, and having made a start at translating an entry - maybe also improving it where sources allow - I am content to leave the semantic judgement to others. If you simply take the two terms "stub" and "start" at face value there's, at the very least, a good deal of overlap. All wiki entries - well most of them - desperately need further work, and lots of the ones that get "wiki-promoted" are appallingly written, sometimes including ones that I did myself and was quite pleased with at the time. That's a joy of the thing: each of us finds different things important. We can take delight in one another's priorities without necessarily sharing them in every detail. A wikipedia written by one person would be wiki-dull, and almost certainly (even) more error prone than the one we have till now. Me? I haven't really got my mind round stub definition. Might do one day, but it's not a priority. Success! Charles01 (talk) 15:22, 17 December 2015 (UTC)

Minimum 1500 bytes of readable prose for a start class.♦ Dr. Blofeld 07:41, 18 December 2015 (UTC)

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Defaultsort[edit]

Hi Charles01, I see you are creating a large number of articles. Great job. I noticed however that most of them were lacking the WP:SORTKEY, which causes articles not to be displayed in the right place in categories. I added the sort key to about twenty of your most recent articles. I hope you could add the defaultsort to the articles you create. Keep on the good work. Crispulop (talk) 09:41, 24 December 2015 (UTC)

Thanks. Noted. Sort key ... I'll try and understand what it does. Sounds like a neat idea. Regards Charles01 (talk) 10:14, 24 December 2015 (UTC)

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I nominate User Charles01 to be Editor of the Week for his tireless article translations. Charles01 has been an editor since 2006 and has over 40k edits, of which over 90% is to mainspace. As a member of the Intertranswiki project, he has been creating about an article a day, usually translating and expanding articles from other Wikipedia language versions such as the German Wikipedia that are missing from the English Wikipedia. I first noticed this editor while new page patrolling, and I think he deserves the EotW award. sst✈discuss 09:39, 11 November 2015 (UTC)

A surprise. You are kind, and thank you. Feels like Christmas. Regards Charles01 (talk) 15:29, 27 December 2015 (UTC)


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Thanks again for your efforts! Buster Seven Talk 15:06, 27 December 2015 (UTC)

A surprise. You are kind, and thank you. Feels like Christmas. Regards Charles01 (talk) 15:29, 27 December 2015 (UTC)
One of the benefits of facilitating the Eddy award is that I get to meet editors like you. Too many veteran editors spend too much time at the various drama-laden pages of Wikipedia. They rarely take the time to see the hard working editors that fly under the radar of contention and strife. Editors like you are the heartbeat of Wikipedia. Thanks for all you do. Happy New Year Buster Seven Talk 16:57, 27 December 2015 (UTC)
Also, I see that back in the 1990s I regularly drove past your own point of origin, when my in-laws were living in Kloosterzande (north of Hulst) and I used to like shopping at Delhaize ("wrong" side of Sint-Niklaas). It made a change from Albert Hein. Well, I think "place" is important.
As for "the radar of contention and strife", yes indeed, there are some subject areas that one knows to avoid, alas, but it's still a nice phrase and one I shall try and retain for future use! Regards and Happy 2016 to you too. Charles01 (talk) 17:16, 27 December 2015 (UTC)
@Charles01: What a MOST pleasant surprise to know that someone was paying attention to the EotW page. Sometimes I wonder if anyone notices. And it came at a really MOST opportune time when I have just, moments ago, have been brought to a RL angry outburst due to a pervasive stalker that has pursued me for years. Your minor little correction soothed me to the point of smiling. I share this all with you because sometimes we forget that behind each editors pseudonym is a real human. Thanks for making my day pleasant when it could have been horrible. Buster Seven Talk 21:39, 9 February 2016 (UTC)
I'm delighted if my throw-away edit-narrative proved unexpectedly timely, albeit still flummoxed about what "RL" means. Still, it doesn't sound too much fun so maybe I shouldn't want to know. Best wishes to the real human behind the verbals Charles01 (talk) 06:46, 10 February 2016 (UTC)
It's WP jargon for "Real Life". Something happened at an article and I was outwardly expressing anger about the other editor which my wife noticed since its not my usual WP personna. The timing of your narrative could not have been better. After thinking some more about everything, (What would I do if ANY other editor had made so many changes to an article I was working on?), I sent the editor a "Thank you" notification. Best wishes in return. Buster Seven Talk 08:32, 10 February 2016 (UTC)

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Triumph Renown[edit]

It is my understanding that the car was all set for production beginning in 1940 but that Alvis factory was wiped out. After the war there was nothing to go back to but the design (which was prewar). When I find a good reference I'll let you know. Happy New Year. Eddaido (talk) 10:54, 4 January 2016 (UTC)

Noted. Interesting. Thanks. Looking at the other cars that were designed at the end of the 1930s, the look of the thing (Alvis/Triumph Renown) would have been seriously outside the mainstream in Britain (or indeed France or Germany) in 1939/40. But then it was pretty much outside the European mainstream as a Standard-Triumph in the 1940s/50s.
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The combination of the timber frame and the aluminium panels was presumably the thing that enabled them to produce those "razor edge" corners, and it was only after 1945, with demand for fighter planes suddenly collapsed and an oversupply of aluminium from production facilities set up when money was no object now desperately needing to justify their capital cost, that aluminium for competitively priced (well, fairly and admittedly only for a few years) passenger cars could become a reality. Just reactive musings on my part, you understanding. Any outcomes of your further researches on this would indeed be interesting. And indeed, Happy Year! Saluts Charles01 (talk) 11:12, 4 January 2016 (UTC)
The styling was the very height of bespoke fashion in the last quarter of the 1930s, Alvis was upmarket. I should think a much bigger engine was intended for it. Here's a body of the same period. Best, Eddaido (talk) 11:20, 4 January 2016 (UTC)
You don't know what a truly Socialist govt was like. They rationed steel but Aluminium was uncontrolled. In any case Aluminium was the usual metal of the bodies of better quality cars in the 1920s and 1930s remember the constant English battle with little engines for tax purposes and heavy bodies. But the alloy was not structural like in recent cars. The sharp edges of the razor-edge style was called "the panel beaters' nightmare" here. Eddaido (talk) 11:35, 4 January 2016 (UTC) Alvis sports saloon 1939 - sports saloon with only 4 windows not six-light from a different angle rolls PIII, Eddaido (talk) 11:55, 4 January 2016 (UTC)

Happy New Year[edit]

A Happy New Year to you Charles! I was wondering if you or Furius could translate Electra, My Love from German?♦ Dr. Blofeld 22:49, 4 January 2016 (UTC)

I will if he doesn't! Best Charles01 (talk) 10:02, 5 January 2016 (UTC)
Looks good, replied on my talk page about it. Some of those Balkan films are wonderfully interesting to film buffs as such as myself. The Goat Horn is another good one, that's Bulgarian. BTW there's a few red links in Elizabeth Rona which I just promoted for Susun, not sure if there's any you can do though.♦ Dr. Blofeld 20:01, 8 January 2016 (UTC)
Sorted - as in I've done the easy (for me) bit on the Elisabeth Rona entry. However, it could be helpful if you could go back to the Electra entry and check out a couple of "disambiguition flags" it picked up (below) on two common names - John Cunningham and Bryan Burns. They're both names I picked up from elsewhere - probably German wikipedia - without knowing too much about the individuals involved, and when I go to people who have wikipedia entries and those names I find myself thinking "maybe:maybe not". Someone with a longer and closer knowledge of the world of films and critics MIGHT know at once whether the men in question are likely to be those ones. Or not. If you're not sure, I do not myself see any harm in leaving a link pointing to a disambiguation page until someone comes along who knows - at least beyond reasonable doubt believes they know - the answer. But no doubt you will have your own views on this! Best wishes Charles01 (talk) 11:50, 10 January 2016 (UTC)

Invitation to a virtual editathon on Women in Music[edit]

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Noted. I'll see where I get to (and whether any of the women currently on my "to do" list could be persuaded into a "music" category). Success Charles01 (talk) 11:14, 6 January 2016 (UTC)

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Intertranswiki[edit]

Thanks Charles for continuing this. Sorry that I'm inactive at the moment and am not helping you create articles. I've made it a 3 month thing now. so you can list what you want to get done in three months and then archive it. I've also dropped the bold for start class expectation to make things easier. Thankyou again for continuing to create from within the project.♦ Dr. Blofeld 13:20, 18 January 2016 (UTC)

Charles, can you check my article on Noura? You know French is the hardest language for me to translate and she is Algerian to boot so Arabic and French mix -- not my strong suits. That being said, she is definitely worthy of an article. As always, I appreciate your help and insight :) SusunW (talk) 06:52, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

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DYK for Elizabeth Rona[edit]

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Thank you. I was waiting for the coffee to cool down when I spotted this notification. Still am. Regards Charles01 (talk) 14:34, 28 January 2016 (UTC)

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I've uploaded an altered version of the above image under the new filename Vauxhall Firenza at dockside (colour and brightness correction).jpg.

I've attempted to be as faithful as possible to the original by only adjusting the overall colour balance via the colour curves, rather than "cheating" by retouching specific areas to the desired colour(!) I couldn't quite get the under-car shadows perfect that way, unfortunately.

I've also increased the brightness and contrast and applied a little highlight/shadow filter to bring out the details- again, to the entire image- but nothing specific has been retouched or altered by hand.

Please let me know if there's anything you don't like about this! Ubcule (talk) 19:35, 31 January 2016 (UTC)

Thank you. From the date of the picture I know (at least, I think I know) it was taken with a cheap camera. And I think the slide (Dias) must have been left out (by me!) in the open air for a long time, because there's a sort of dusty stain that you can see on much of the sky. BUT it's still a good picture in its way - interesting moody background and slightly unusual angle of an unusual car. And thanks to your version, I can see that the car was quite clean (though it's sad about all the rust along the sill under the door - confirms some of the unkind things we used to say about Vauxhalls back then...)
You have brightened the car but it still looks natural. I like that. If I had the skills/tools I should have done the same. Sometimes with very white cars the image of the car gets overexposed, and you lose some of the details - the panel gaps - but there's no danger of that here. Not enough sun. Yes, I like it. I have difficulty thinking of anything I don't like. I guess the sky still needs cleaning up, but I think that's an impossible job. I guess one might try making the sky look a bit darker/more stormy but WITHOUT losing any of the brightness/clarity of the car. That might give a slightly greater contrast between the threatening grey of the sky and the clean whiteness of the car. But ... again ... I would not know where to begin with that. I'm not too much of a GIMP-wizard, and even if I was I guess it might not be possible.
No further thoughts. Thanks again. Success Charles01 (talk) 20:02, 31 January 2016 (UTC)
Glad you liked it; yes, I realised that it was possibly meant to be shot like that, which is why I didn't upload over the original. I didn't want to mess around with any details since it was really just a colour balance and brightness/contrast tweak of the original.
Bear in mind that the colour balance still isn't quite linear in the shadows, which might make it look a little yellower/rustier than it is.
Regarding the yellow streak in the sky, I have the same scanner model as you, and had similar issues with it (along with colour balance issues). I originally assumed it was the source negative, but it turned out not to be that when I rescanned it. I think it was some weird issue with light leak/reflection that disappeared when I covered any gaps in the holder... could not be bothered looking into it more than that. Personally, I think scanning is a pain in the neck to get right, and now I've done my own photographs, I'm pretty well sick of it. :-O
I've also uploaded a modified version of another image at File:Daihatsu Charade buying brandy (adjusted).jpg, though the colour balance still isn't quite right there, particularly in the highlights. Ubcule (talk) 20:19, 31 January 2016 (UTC)
Yes, I'd noticed you'd done a cleaned up version of the Daihatsu picture. My instant reaction was that I like it less than the Firenza simply because the improvements draw attention to how dirty the car was! But that was always an "issue" with this picture. The adjusted version is clearer which should be good. I think I took this one with an Olympus OM2 which was a goood camera, though probably using a zoom lense which gave slightly less clarity than the standard lens with the fixed image size. But it was a good camera. (I wish I knew where it had got to.)
Anyhow, I just looked again at them this morning, and I think your version is better. Trying to clean the car using "tools" would certainly leave it looking unnatural which is not a good idea. Cretan dust/mud on the bodywork gives a certain atmosphere: presumably he'd come into town from the hills outside town, possibly to buy brandy.
Thanks. Best wishes Charles01 (talk) 06:58, 1 February 2016 (UTC)
I can't swear that the colour balance is 100% perfect, and I'd have been suspicious, but since you mention it, I'm inclined to concede that it probably is reddish mud. Reason being that the tarmac- at a comparable brightness level- is grey, and if it had been purely due to a reddish cast in the darker areas, that would have been affected too.
I've nothing against retouching photos in principle- quite the opposite!- I just like to keep a distinction between what are (meant to be) faithful corrections in colour balance, brightness and contrast and (on the other hand) explicitly retouching particular details.
FWIW, I've attempted to remove the dust specks (which were significantly exaggerated by the highlight-retrieval processing) but tried to avoid modifying anything that was part of the photo itself.
Looks like the source photo itself was probably fine, I'm guessing that the colour balance was more due to the scanner(?) The OM-2 looks to have been a better camera than the secondhand Zenit TTL I had when I was a kid anyway. :-)
Ubcule (talk) 19:50, 1 February 2016 (UTC)
Thank you. Definitely "better" without the specks of dust on the bonnet and a bit more of a "yellow" tint. I've not been back to Crete since then (1982) and memory for colours is not something on which I trust myself. But when you drive into the hills behind Xania the colour of the rocks and road surfaced where the roads are not paved / tarmac's is definitely yellowish-towards the colour of beach sand at Knokke but maybe "brighter" - rather than ... greyish - the colour of beach sand (except where imported) on a Canary Island. Thank you again. Best wishes. Charles01 (talk) 06:55, 2 February 2016 (UTC)

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Great fire of Tischenreuth (1814)[edit]

I have just been reading the sad story of the great fire when I noticed the name on the picture and began to wonder if this article was anything to do with Tirschenreuth Bavaria. Maybe regional spellings vary and Maybe its not. Ever onwards and upwards, Eddaido (talk) 11:19, 21 February 2016 (UTC)

Well spotted. Best Charles01 (talk) 11:47, 21 February 2016 (UTC)

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Thank you, Gerda. I was feeling in need of cheering up and you just did it. I hope Sunday is treating you well. Good things Charles01 (talk) 16:12, 21 February 2016 (UTC)

VisualEditor News #1—2016[edit]

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If you select the top of a column or the end of a row, you can quickly insert and remove columns and rows.

Now, you can also rearrange columns and rows. Click "Move before" or "Move after" to swap the column or row with its neighbor.

You can read and help translate the user guide, which has more information about how to use the visual editor.

Since the last newsletter, the VisualEditor Team has fixed many bugs. Their workboard is available in Phabricator. Their current priorities are improving support for Japanese, Korean, Arabic, Indic, and Han scripts, and improving the single edit tab interface.

Recent changes[edit]

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Thank you for your tireless efforts to help me with translating French articles, without which, we would miss some very important contributions to the world. I've taken the liberty of nominating Marguerite de Witt-Schlumberger as a 5x expanded article to DYK for Women's History Month. SusunW (talk) 21:38, 4 March 2016 (UTC)
Noted. Thanks. No "liberty taking" involved. She does seem to have been quite a powerful force, though in our own more egalitarian age the "Lady bountiful I know what's best for the little people do goodery" sticks in the throat a bit - maybe more over here in "socialist" Europe than it would in the wider open (if only in some ways) parts of the USA. Either way, a joy of history, if you can manage it, is to try and see people in the terms in which they would have been seen by contemporaries and by themselves. That doesn't replace the wisdom of hindsight, of course. But it needs to complement it. So much history tells you SOOOO MUCH MORE about the times in which it is written than about the times (in theory) that it treats. Not invalid, but there can and should be more than one dimension to the historical prism through which human history is viewed. End of rant. Have a good weekend. Charles01 (talk) 07:02, 5 March 2016 (UTC)
The "do-goodery" You make me smile. I think that very prism effect is why I like writing about suffragists and activists. They were multi-faceted and you get to see all the bumps and bruises. Too many times the laurels heaped upon historical figures makes them seem unflawed heroes. I rather prefer my heroines to be "more human". In a way, the fact that they were women allowed the press license to make them real. Good wives stayed home and out of the public eye, thus even in (wink, wink, nod, nod) laudatory pieces about women activists, there is usually tarnish to the halo. As you say, it tells you a lot about the context of the times. SusunW (talk) 08:03, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

DYK for Marguerite de Witt-Schlumberger[edit]

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Thank you. Regards Charles01 (talk) 12:17, 20 March 2016 (UTC)

Victor Emmanuel II of Italy[edit]

Hi, made a slight change to the above - is it better? Regards Denisarona (talk) 12:18, 20 March 2016 (UTC)

Yes (secondo me...). Success Charles01 (talk) 12:27, 20 March 2016 (UTC)
For most of us Italian Unification is the only thing we know about VE, so maybe it makes sense to launch the entry with that nice quote. However, others might differ: I'm left feeling a bit agnostic about it. As an alternative, have you come across quote boxes? To see how they work, here are some (far too many, you may think) I used on a translation I did last year. Here's another for people who think there's too much blue in the world.
But no doubt there are other solutions. Regards Charles01 (talk) 12:37, 20 March 2016 (UTC)

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Archiving[edit]

Hi, when you archive, don't delete it, edit this and simply add the next month link and paste it into a new page.♦ Dr. Blofeld 16:29, 5 April 2016 (UTC)

Thank you. Best Charles01 (talk) 16:52, 5 April 2016 (UTC)

You're welcome to contribute a few articles to the bottom of WP:Atdrag this month. Currently have 162 articles!♦ Dr. Blofeld 16:59, 5 April 2016 (UTC)

Noted. Thanks. I love Wales when I get to go there (though I don't understand why you get a half hour of traffic congestion followed by a large financial penalty if you're unimaginative enough to try and get in using the M4 motorway from London) but I never lived there and don't know the language. Never too old to learn? Maybe, but somehow with several other countries and languages I find I have a whole lot of context which for the Welsh stuff I don't ... there seem to be a lot of wiki contributors better qualified than I am for these Welsh topics, many of whom can likely do a better and quicker job than I. Also I seem to have quite a lot on this month so won't be breaking any records in terms of wiki-hours contributed. Then again, the muse may grab me by the proverbials for one or two more Welsh entries this month, next month. Never say never. Best Charles01 (talk) 18:47, 5 April 2016 (UTC)

Thanks Charles. I'll put you down as a participant, that's for people who can't commit to the contest and are just happy to add articles independently when they can. Cheers for Fanny Winifred Edwards BTW! There is the possibility of doing this contest/editathon BTW for a country on the continent like France or Germany btw, or somehting which involves a "Six Nations" contest. Something which would mutually benefit the Intertranswiki project. Thanks for keeping it running, I wish I had more time to commit to everything!♦ Dr. Blofeld 07:40, 6 April 2016 (UTC)

If you add anymore Welsh articles, which i hope you will!, can you add them directly to the bottom of Wikipedia:WikiProject Wales/Awaken the Dragon main list with a #, cheers. This includes basic expansions of anything in Wikipedia:WikiProject Wales/Awaken the Dragon/Core articles, the main focus of this. If we could have a Welsh round for Intertranswiki this month this would be great!♦ Dr. Blofeld 12:41, 7 April 2016 (UTC)

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Do you want one Edit tab, or two? It's your choice[edit]

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Peston[edit]

We were both listening to BH weren't we

Cannonmc (talk) 08:50, 24 April 2016 (UTC)

"Listeining to..." might be putting it strongly in my case, but ... yes, it was on and that is where I heard of it. I guess we need to wait a couple of hours till we can source it to anything, tho'. Unless there's a way to source stuff to a radio interview. Hmmmm Regards Charles01 (talk) 08:54, 24 April 2016 (UTC)

Capping and linking[edit]

Hi, please note that on en.WP we don't cap initials or link common terms or dates unless it's really necessary. Tony (talk) 07:31, 26 April 2016 (UTC)

Olga Benário Prestes[edit]

Re this: What is the source of the claim that she survived? And how did she die then? Staszek Lem (talk) 19:25, 29 April 2016 (UTC)

I think you are right. I have no idea where I got that from nor why I entered it without a source: maybe I got called away suddenly or the 'phone went. Anyhow, it looks batty. Please correct it. If you can find a source for the bald statement that she was gassed, please add that. It may be that some of the sources already there spell it out, but most of them are not "online" or go to "dead" links so I can't check that from here. Thank you. Regards Charles01 (talk) 19:47, 29 April 2016 (UTC)

Emil Beurmann[edit]

Up for deletion..♦ Dr. Blofeld 07:25, 7 May 2016 (UTC)

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Revolution 1989[edit]

It's available at my library ... I'll try to get my hands on it. Surprisingly, it's not available in eBook form--not on Kindle, not on Nook, not on Google Books--even though it was published in 2009-10.HangingCurveSwing for the fence 23:36, 26 June 2016 (UTC)

Noted. Encouraging. I've been surprised how hard it has been to find suitable sources on this. I suppose within Germany people know as much as they feel they needed to know, and have no wish to be reminded in wikipedia. But in many ways East Germany provides a nice and in some respects clear template for how to do one party dictatorship with a quasi-democratic face, and as our own "western democracies" ... um ... "evolve" ...... Still, that way digression lies.
Thank you "im Voraus" for anything you may find you're able to construct. Success Charles01 (talk) 07:13, 27 June 2016 (UTC)

Editing News #2—2016[edit]

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Place the cursor where you want to display the references list (usually at the bottom of the page). Open the "Insert" menu and click the "References list" icon (three books).

If you are using several groups of references, which is relatively rare, you will have the opportunity to specify the group. If you do that, then only the references that belong to the specified group will be displayed in this list of references.

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Since the last newsletter, the VisualEditor team has fixed many bugs. Their workboard is available in Phabricator. Their current priorities are improving support for Arabic and Indic scripts, and adapting the visual editor to the needs of the Wikivoyages and Wikisources.

Recent changes[edit]

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The "Save page" button will say "Publish page". This will affect both the visual and wikitext editing systems. More information is available on Meta.

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The team is working with the volunteer developers who power Wikisource to provide the visual editor there, for opt-in testing right now and eventually for all users. (T138966)

The team is working on a modern wikitext editor. It will look like the visual editor, and be able to use the citoid service and other modern tools. This new editing system may become available as a Beta Feature on desktop devices around September 2016. You can read about this project in a general status update on the Wikimedia mailing list.

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New version of File:Fiat Ritmo prefacelifts 105TC (performance version).jpg uploaded to Commons[edit]

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(Though I should make clear that I've tried to stick to global changes and avoid anything that veers towards selective retouching. This might have have improved the neutrality of the shadows, but- for me- would have crossed the line away from any claim to be an accurate representation of the original at all).

Hope you don't mind this, let me know if there are any problems. All the best!

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Thanks for the update. Interesting. It certainly looks a bit sharper. And you seem to have given it a slightly red tint, as though it were taken towards the end of the afternoon. I'm afraid I no longer have any memory from which to know which is the "truer" presentation. But thanks for removing the speck of dust above the headlight. I think - if cautiously - your version is an improvement, and you have not "over-improved" it to the point where it looks unrealistic. That's important. So thank you. I confess, I think that if your theme is Fiat Ritmos, the one I took in the Netherlands is a nicer picture - more interesting colo(u)r and less distractingly aggressive background. And a marginally better angle. BUT (1) these things are very much a matter of personal taste and (2) the one I took in Italy - I think probably in Rome - has greater wiki-rarity value because it's of the 105TC. It's certainly the one people seem to have picked up on for wiki-articles.
No further thoughts. Happy Sunday. Charles01 (talk) 18:58, 16 July 2016 (UTC)
It hasn't been explicitly sharpened as such; I'm guessing one or more of the filters just brought things out that way. My aim was really just to move the colour away from the green, reduce the contrast and to enhance the shadow detail that already existed in your photo without explicit retouching.
Sorry about the pinkish areas; I wasn't entirely happy with that, but the green tint wasn't entirely linear (especially not in the darker areas), so it was an unfixable "remainder" after it was mostly balanced out.
(I own the same scanner model; when I had problems with it, someone noted the Plustek was quite nonlinear in its colour response. Then again, I wasn't about to spend the time and money needed to profile it, especially as I'd finished scanning most of my poxy slides!)
Your other photo is great too, though I have to admit I'm not as big a fan of the later Stradas and Ritmos themselves; they (intentionally) mainstreamed and blanded out the styling of the original models.
Thanks for the great images. All the best! Ubcule (talk) 19:52, 16 July 2016 (UTC)
I agree about the way marketing departments spoil the looks of clean designs when they do the Mark 2 versions. If - as I infer - you live in England, you will probably share my view that it's not a uniquely Fiat problem. Hillman Hunter, Volvo 144/164, Ford Sierra, Triumph & Rover 2000, SD1, BMC AD016 .... in fact almost anything BMC did in the 1960s and 70s - all reasonably coherent designs that became less coherent when some committee of car haters in the marketing department basement signed off on a Mark II version. Sorry, I really need to go off and do something useful. Regards Charles01 (talk) 14:17, 20 July 2016 (UTC)

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Gear[edit]

You're right, a spectacularly handsome car. Can't say that about the next one. (This next is entirely from memory of the mid-70s) VW were at a total loss for a new model and losing sales fast. Auto-Union were in deep trouble too but financial and they had designed a new small car. So VW bought AU and the new car and rushed it into production and it was almost ecstatically greeted. Does WP say anything like that? From over here things sound calm enough, (i.e. no noticeable noise at all, I mean normal volume) are you going to stick with the current residence or cross Channel? regards, Eddaido (talk) 08:19, 7 August 2016 (UTC)

On the crisis at VW in the 1970s, there's a certain amount on it in the entry of Rudolf Leiding which appears to have benefitted from sourcing to one or two contemporary articles. Feel free to improve.
On the Brexit future of Britain, ... well, at the end of 1970s we ended thirty years of relative economic decline thanks to (1) Margaret Thatcher, (2) North Sea Oil and (3) EEC membership. Not necessarily (almost certainly not) in that order. Since then the Brits have become, relatively, a whole lot more prosperous, and have come to hold the political class in ever greater contempt, which seems to correlate with a rapid retreat from parliamentary democracy - delegated legislation and cronyism and all that - and the inexplicable launch of the war in the Middle East. The future? There seems to be some sort of a sudden change of direction emerging in the economic data, but on the political front no one brought along a map. Also, probably it's off topic. But the only way the parliamentarians over here get a cheer these days is by telling "the people" there are too many of them. That's parliamentarians. Which given that they no longer do very much in terms of holding governments to account is probably fair enough; but even a fig leaf legislature needs to be populated with something. Anyhow, the politicians have gone back to talking about (1) fracking and (2) themselves this weekend. As who would not? Happy days. Charles01 (talk) 08:50, 7 August 2016 (UTC)
I have read as suggested and I see I was wrong to believe the AU purchase was in the early 1970s, it had been well settled in the portfolio by then. I think you are a very good encapsulator, I suppose that would be well exercised by the translations. I hope Leiding, who might have been as much as 60, went away happily and had a comfortable retirement he must have been good at his job.
Nervous because I am amending (your) Sunbeam Talbot(s) in the light of further info and I believe some mis-identified photos but I came here about your new photos. Just please fix it where ever i take the article off the rails. Its b* cold here — by local standards. Hope you are all warm and sunny. Eddaido (talk) 09:07, 7 August 2016 (UTC)
Yes, Daimler Benz had acquired Auto Union under pressure from an over-influential (?well ... anyway) shareholder in 1958, but DB's more pressing priority, naturally enough, was their own cars. Also the old Auto Union factories in Zwickau had ended up on the "wrong" side of the line, so trying to figure out what to do with what was left cannot have been easy. On the other hand, by the time they sold the business to Volkswagen - I think maybe in 1964 - DB had funded investment in the new generation of Audis and - possibly even more importantly - in the Inglostadt plant where they would assemble the things. When VW purchased Audi I sometimes wonder whether what they really had their eye on was extra production capacity for building Beetles that they were keen to get their hands one. But indeed, a couple of years later it was (further reworked and modernised versions of) the cars designed to come out of Ingolstadt that saved their bacon. On Sunbeam Talbots, I'll take a look but don't plan to "jump in". I'm sure anything you do will be an improvement. I get hopelessly confused through all the ownership changes for Sunbeam, and I have just a slight sense that if you look at French sources all the Darracq side of things, and indeed the Tony Lago stuff, look completely ... um ... different. Success Charles01 (talk) 09:37, 7 August 2016 (UTC)

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