Talk:Second Cold War

Latin America

This Article should mention what happens in Latin America. It is clearly COLD WAR. Venezuela and it's communism and co-government with Cuba. Also in Colombia president Santos was elected to keep up the war against communist guerrillas, but he's doing the opposite and turning Colombia into a narco-state all over again like it was in the 90s (all this with the help of Venezuela).

All those communist leaders are dictators (leading fake democracies with fake elections), like Chávez, Maduro, Evo Morales, Ortega, Rousseff, Bachelet, Fernández de Kirchner, etc... they have strict control over the media and tell their citizens their economies are the fastest growing in the world. Russia is helping all these countries with armament, money and media support throug RT (Russia Today), but Europe and the US are not helping their few friends left. Obama is the Chamberlain who let Hitler rise, until some Churchill had to come make war a little TOO LATE.

That is an interesting opinion. I don't see why it should be incorporated into the article. Alt lys er svunnet hen (talk) 01:59, 22 December 2014 (UTC)

I also think there should be more talk about Latin America. But we must avoid the kind of biased language from above. Wikipedia has to remain neutral. But Latin America is a battleground for influence between east and west as it has always been. More coverage would be helpful. Charles Essie (talk) 18:12, 29 May 2015 (UTC)

they are not dictatorships,even Former US President Carter said so: Venezuelan Electoral System is “Best in the World”:http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/oct/03/why-us-dcemonises-venezuelas-democracy http://venezuelanalysis.com/news/7272 and the only one in war is colombia,also venezuela is the country with most oil in the world(just see oil reserves article) and the starter of this turn to the left after chavez won the 1998 elections,democratically,with the goverment being another.wich has been caused by decades of neoliberalism wich in 1989 caused the caracazo.,they released telesur to counter CNN propaganda.wich constantly twists facts and omites facts like it did in ecuador recently or in the protests in venezuela where only 5 of the 43 deaths were caused by the police,hiding that the protesters used wire to behead innocent civilians. http://www.telesurtv.net/news/En-Detalle-Asi-ocurrieron-las-14-muertes-por-violencia-de-la-derecha-en-Venezuela-20140226-0018.html

-Elvis Duran de la Rosa: un motorizado muere cuando jefes de los sectores opositores, dieron la orden de colocar alambres en las calles, para obstaculizar la vía y evitar el tránsito automotor. Lamentablemente fue así, este joven iba en su moto, dirigiéndose del trabajo en su casa y se encontró una de estas emboscadas y murió decapitado. Este contenido ha sido publicado originalmente por teleSUR bajo la siguiente dirección: http://www.telesurtv.net/news/En-Detalle-Asi-ocurrieron-las-14-muertes-por-violencia-de-la-derecha-en-Venezuela-20140226-0018.html. Si piensa hacer uso del mismo, por favor, cite la fuente y coloque un enlace hacia la nota original de donde usted ha tomado este contenido. www.teleSURtv.net argentina alredy has nuclear energy and bolivia is getting it. William M.hijo (talk) 17:49, 20 June 2015 (UTC)william m.hijoWilliam M.hijo (talk) 17:49, 20 June 2015 (UTC)

SERIOUSLY THIS IS NOT A FORUM!!!! I don't see what's so hard to understand about this, this isn't a place to discuss foreign policy. - SantiLak (talk) 19:49, 20 June 2015 (UTC)

sorry,the first person was biased,also i forgot to add, USA is supporting corrupt goverments that kill candidates in mexico and colombia and its trying to make corrupt goverments in guatemala and honduras not seem corrupt.and RT at least in El Salvador with claro service its hard to get,only sometimes in channel 8.and most people just see channel 19 wich is rather neutral or biased pro US. And in mexico televisa group and tv azteca have an authentic pro us monopoly on television,televisa itself basically made peña nieto win the elections,they even made a film on it called "la dictadura perfecta". this is not a forum,but when something its true its true and you cant let biased people outright lie,even if to destroy the lie you have to give information that favours a faction,its like saying that if a political party is proven to have commited crimes you shouldnt say that in a neutral newspaper because it could maybe benefict its oposition.190.62.68.72 (talk) 20:49, 20 June 2015 (UTC)william ]M.hijo190.62.68.72 (talk) 20:49, 20 June 2015 (UTC)

Comments

Is this actually a thing? Never mind the fact that hostile relations between countries does not instantly equal a cold war (other wise we'd have been saying there's one between the west and Iran) the article name doesn't seem to be in wide spread use and most mentions of the Cold War with regards to the current conflict have been warning about the possibility for a "Second Cold War". Seems rather like original research to me... 89.168.92.255 (talk) 19:17, 28 August 2014 (UTC)

The original cold war wasn't a thing as historians and politicians alike still can't come to an agreement on when it began and when It truly ended. Yes hostile relations between two nuclear armed powers to this extent does constitute a cold war especially if the term itself was coined by George Oin 1945 not in response to tensions but in response to the anticipation of these tensions between the US and the Soviet Union as nothing major happened at that point, yet things are happening now. As far as Iran is concerned it does not have the capacity of destroying the west and the only reason the west hasn't engaged Iran and that Iran is becoming more belligerent such as ending ships to our coast is because of the increasingly belligerent attitude of Russia and china. As far as it not being in mainstream use, the media and western governments are to politically correct these days to call things for what they are. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.170.134.60 (talk) 08:08, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

Is the person who made this page serious ? I'm nominating this article for deletion. --ZemplinTemplar (talk) 19:21, 28 August 2014 (UTC)

Rather than delete this article it could have use as lots of people are starting to wonder about this idea. You should probably just change the name to something that just suspicion related rather than an official second cold war such as (2008-ongoing tensions). Just leave the article alone until this crisis is over and if you still have the same opinion then delete it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.170.134.60 (talk) 08:08, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

I agree. While this is a current issue with a lot of tension, I wouldn't go so far as to say it's another Cold War. Frauesh (talk) 04:49, 31 August 2014 (UTC)

I disagree as it doesn't just revolve around Ukraine rather the article should include other things such as the PLA ADIZ zone designation, 2008 Russia Georgia war, Russian American issues in Syria and Libya, and the increasingly belligerent attitudes of satellite states such as north Korea and the Cheonan incident and the shelling of a south Korean island, nuclear tests in 2013, and Iran with there attitudes, threats, and sending ships to our coast. all of these things are part of a recent tension increase happening within a 2008-2014 timeline. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.170.134.60 (talk) 08:08, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

Definitely. Although one could technically argue its "not another cold war", enough significant events have occurred to inarguably point towards a new divide between east and west. A sharp divide in interests and ambitions, proxy wars, competition for allegiances, sanctions, NATO finding its use once again. Without doubt, a new era has opened up and this ought to be documented. TF92 (talk) 12:38, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

For the most part, it doesn't really matter what editors opinions are here, its whether the term is being used in reliable sources or not. And the ones here, Time, CNN, Foreign Affairs, The Guardian are a good start. That said, we could suggest merging this with the longer and established Russia–United States relations article.-- Patrick, _oѺ^∞ 00:57, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

I would point out that the article here specifically highlights the role of the European Union as a party to the conflict, so folding it into Russia-US relations seems pretty ill-advised, not to mention that there is plenty enough material out there for this to be an article on its own. Feel free to formally suggest it though. --Nizolan (talk) 00:19, 3 September 2014 (UTC)

I understand completely, as I used to be an administrator on several different Wikia sites and that is precisely why I agree that something does need to happen with this article, because it is misleading. However as I suggested above we should probably remove the references to a new cold war and change it to a name that suggest a sudden increase of tensions with several interconnected high profile incidents involving the US and her allies vs. her traditional enemies of the cold war. The reason why I recommend this is because to continue having individual articles about these incidents on there own, without making a central article to point out their obvious and official connections is both inconvenient and also misleading. My point is that this article holds substantial weight and potential just not in it's present state. What I ask is that you give us 2 months(ending on November 1st) to make this article satisfactory for preservation. First step would be to change the name and to expand the article to include other related incidents making it less US Russia centric, and finally to remove all references to it being a cold war both implied and verbal. Through these changes undoubtedly we can acquire references and sources that meet Wikipedia's rules. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.170.134.60 (talk) 04:40, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

I definitely agree with Patrick above that, per Wikipedia policy, it is not our place to be determining the name or debating the appropriateness of the term. That is OR. This article, broadly speaking, is not. The various analysts, journalists, and strategists who have floated the idea of Cold War II are using it to mean a specific thing, a renewed conflict between the West and Russia, and Wikipedia reflects that well. Of course, the article should probably also reference the several high-profile criticisms that have been made of the concept — a search for "Cold War II" on Google still returns "Why Cold War II isn't happening" as the highest result for me — and I may do that myself if I have the time later. --Nizolan (talk) 00:13, 3 September 2014 (UTC)

Perhaps this article could be unbiased or neutralized with sources from both sides instead of using mostly Western Media sources. I would highly recommend you look at RT, Al-Jazeera, Press TV and CNN and get pieces of information then put them in an order that would make practical and theoretical sense. If this is intended to be a propaganda article I would nominate this for deletion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fly1224 (talk • contribs) 21:50, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

The problem with things without proper names

When I decided to revamp the Arab Winter article I got into an edit war. This is about what to call Russian aggression in what it calls "The Near Abroad" Ericl (talk) 13:11, 3 September 2014 (UTC)

Heres my thoughts. The only major difference between this 'war' and the Cold War is that Russia is in a much weaker position.

It's valid that Wikipedia shouldn't be coining phrases because that isn't being encyclopaedic. It'd be interesting for me to see when a member of high authority would first use the term because the political situation is heading into dangerous waters. Just what defines a 'cold war'? Antimatter31 (talk) 20:52, 3 September 2014 (UTC)

Cold warfare can be defined as "a state of political hostility between countries characterized by threats, propaganda, and other measures short of open warfare, in particular." The countless instances of rhetoric going back and forth between Russia and Western leaders can easily be classified as political and/or economic threats, regardless of whether or not they've occurred.

Granted, as you mentioned, this new cold war involves a less than stable Russia, especially one who isn't as able to project itself on the global scale as was the case 50 years prior. So this probably is or could be a lesser scale cold war. But whether a sovereign state IS a great power or has the ability TO BE a great power is irrelevant. The fact that hostilities of First Cold War magnitude have reemerged and again exist between the West and Russia should be sufficient enough. 99.138.92.40 (talk) 04:22, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

to much of a US-Russian centric view

I'm very happy this article is being given a chance but for greater accuracy we need to understand that this article is to us-Russia centric and should also have more about the us and her east Asian allies vs. china during the Asian pacific pivot which arguably is the largest foreign policy development in the world since the 9-11 terrorist attacks. By the way I don't think we should include anything unless it's happening either because of these global tensions and/or is primarily being fueled by them. for example Afghanistan isn't related to the degree necessary if at all but north Koreas shenanigans are because of their relations with china.one last thing these tensions went from aggravated to hostile only after the us put missiles in Poland on march 2007 arguably the first hostile move. this will also provide the unbiased view we are looking for and should also mark the beginning point rather than the absurd 2014 date. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.170.134.60 (talk) 00:06, 5 September 2014 (UTC)

The Cold War is a US-Russia centric phenomenon. So whats your point? Its like complaining an article about France is too focused on France. 69.165.169.126 (talk) 16:35, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

Three Cold Wars?

Might it be beneficial to address all the concerns here by having three pages (one for US-Russia, US-China, and US-Iran) separately for each "regional cold war"? Between the US and Russia, there has been one going on in full force at least since 2008, but it has only gotten the attention it deserved with the Ukrainian crisis. US-China has been going on since the 1990s in some form. And US-Iran has been since the invasion of Iraq, more or less. There is an Arab Winter and a Pivot to Asia article. I suppose that current events need to be covered in a more trend-based manner, so readers can see the patterns better. I'd therefore keep this article, add the Syrian war as a proxy conflict, along with Snowden, legal battles over human rights and adoption, and other issues. 96.59.109.104 (talk) 02:34, 12 September 2014 (UTC)

Again, while there is doubtless some merit to this idea, it's not our call to be making terminological decisions like this. People are using Cold War II, etc., to refer to the renewed tension between Russia and the West, so that's what this article refers to as well. I'm not aware of any major current of journalistic, analytic or academic interpretation referring to the current US-China relationship as a 'cold war', but if you have the requisite sources then feel free to suggest an article. --Nizolan (talk) 20:17, 13 September 2014 (UTC)

Article is going off track i.e North Korea and China

The "Cold War II" article was created in reference to the obvious new tensions between the western and Russia and the subsequent events. I observe that incidences with China and also North Korea have been added as sections in this article.

To make such propositions are largely original research. There has been enough commentators and observers describe the situation between Russia and the US as "Cold War II" but such a position with China is nothing more than personal speculation. As much as China and the US have their differences (given the islands dispute and the pro-democracy movements in hong kong), we cannot say relations are "Cold War style". As for North Korea, well given its blatant lack of superpower status or capacity, a nuclear weapons dispute is hardly a "cold war", an impoverished, backward and isolated regime is hardly competing the US for global influence and alliance systems is it?

It may be best to thus remove the above TF92 (talk) 21:35, 31 October 2014 (UTC)

Notability and definition of the term

In the intro the term is sourced to Time (magazine), but the link is not to Time but to hotair.com. If you read the actual article by Simon Shuster [1] he doesn't use "World War II" at all. So all we have is a cover on a magazine. I really think this needs better sourcing. Sjö (talk) 08:25, 1 November 2014 (UTC)

Sourcing and original research

Much of this article seems like original research, labeling any conflict as a part of a new cold war, regardless of whether there is a reliable source. Sjö (talk) 08:32, 1 November 2014 (UTC)

I agree, it is clearly OR. It is lacks enough notability and sourcing to be otherwise. It is far from a widely used term. Additionally it is redundant given that anything of substance here is covered in other articles pertaining to the conflict in Ukraine and Russian/American relations. Until either this has passed into history and historians decided this was a second Cold War or it becomes common in usage, this article should not exist. 14.2.20.230 (talk) 06:57, 10 November 2014 (UTC)

Yeah. Someone else wants to AfD this?  Volunteer Marek  18:24, 12 November 2014 (UTC)

I disagree. The term is becoming more and more used in the media with every passing moment really. You just have to look at influential figures such as Gorbachev warning of another cold war, for example. Even if one feels that a "second cold war" is going too far off the mark, there is undisputed evidence that there is a new divide that has emerged within the international system between Russia and the Western world and a series of tensions that has not been seen since the end of the Cold War itself. Its not only just the conflict in Ukraine, its that with Syria too and the notion of the "procy war", its Russia sending bombers towards the airspace of NATO nations to intimidate them, its the buildup of NATO forces, Russia's attempt to create a new political bloc called the "Euarsian union". There's definitely enough happening to justify some kind of notability. TF92 (talk) 10:05, 13 November 2014 (UTC)

For Example, here's an article for the BBC today "Rhetoric hardens as fears mount of new Cold War" http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-30010263?ocid=socialflow_twitter TF92 (talk) 10:15, 13 November 2014 (UTC)

Just because something is mentioned in an op-ed - and even then only as a possibility not an actuality - does not make it notable. Volunteer Marek  21:46, 23 November 2014 (UTC)

I think this page is a POV fork of Foreign relations of Russia. All content should be merged there. My very best wishes (talk) 14:42, 27 November 2014 (UTC)

Seconded. Alt lys er svunnet hen (talk) 02:14, 22 December 2014 (UTC)

Too Soon

I Think it's too soon to use this term. There has been some progress in Ukraine not to mention that no politician on either side has used this term. --MarcusPearl95 (talk) 04:52, 12 November 2014 (UTC)

Yes this article is bullshit. NOTHING IS HAPPENIG - T

____ yes it is far too soon!

if anything this period will be viewed as an extension of the Cold War, the 1990's and 2000's being a period of Detente. That is of course if anything happens at all, I can't see a new nuclear arms race happening any time soon. (Fdsdh1 (talk) 01:27, 23 November 2014 (UTC))

All the increased Russian military activity

Don't flame me for this, but I wondered in what article (if any) we should mention the recent increase in military activity conducted by the Russian Air Force and the Russian Navy in areas where they haven't exercised at/forayed into. All these activities, like the alleged Russian submarine in Swedish territorial waters, the intrusion in Finnish airspace, the nuclear bombers intercepted both by UK and Portuguese air force and so on, these are all notable I think. I don't know where's the best place to mention them though. I'd say they need to be listed in a systematic manner (and of course, sourced). A reliable source: [2] --Rev L. Snowfox (talk) 11:00, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

Yes, I would say that the article, if it is to focus on anything, it should discuss military build-up, particularly Russia's response to NATO members and vice-versa. That is a concrete effect of the increased hostilities that can be measured.-- Patrick, _oѺ^∞ 02:10, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

Xenophobia

There is far too much anti-Russian hatred in this article.

Start again! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.148.46.113 (talk) 20:35, 2 February 2015 (UTC)

Post some example of that "xenophobia" here so we can discuss it. - SantiLak (talk) 03:39, 3 February 2015 (UTC)

No, but thank you for your well-written and well-though analysis. Everybody here appreciates it. EllsworthSK (talk) 19:01, 8 March 2015 (UTC)

One-sided "Ideology and propaganda"

The section focuses entirely on Russia and its state media channels. There is absolutely no mention of any ideology of "the West" or any of the propaganda aside from the "they plan to combat Russian propaganda" bit at the end. I think US channels and other media outlets have their fair share in building up the Russia scare, presenting it as a threat. Let's not forget the numerous claims of direct Russian intervention into Ukraine made by Breedlove and then German BND intelligence pointing out that he was obviously hyping a threat, rather than providing numbers. Or the US using "proof of Russia's invasion into Ukraine" as provided by Ukraine and then turned out to be from Abkhazia and/or otherwise manipulated. Even USA confirmed that they were in fact provided false data. We shouldn't pretend that Russia is the only one doing propaganda.

As for the West's ideology, I think we could at least add Obama's West Point speech about "America Must Always Lead" in here somewhere. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.145.208.147 (talk) 21:39, 8 April 2015 (UTC)

Revisit this Article

I still believe that the use of this term is premature and that this article should be deleted. The Conflict in Ukraine should not be viewed as a catalyst to a new cold war unless a political figure says so. No one in power has used this term and if anything, this will end soon.--MarcusPearl95 (talk) 01:52, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

You are 100% wrong, despite I recognice your goodwill of peace and cooperation between this two great nations. But things are going from bad to worse. See the Russian Federation have quit the Conventional weapons Treaty with the NATO bloq, a Retired U.S Official calls to "kill as many Russian in Ukraine", later to be followed by a Russian Oficial saying the Russian federation could deploy Nuclear Weapons in Crimea. I only see this getting hotter (in the bad way).Mr.User200 (talk) 16:10, 11 March 2015 (UTC)

No political figures may have called it yet a new Cold War, but some newspapers [3] and analysts [4] have used this expression. I have to agree with Mr.User200, it's getting hotter and hotter, see by example these 3,000 U.S. soldiers sent to the Baltic States [5] Blaue Max (talk) 16:19, 11 March 2015 (UTC)

Caption on the top picture

Caption on the top picture might be wrong.--150.216.63.18 (talk) 07:27, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

 Done Blaue Max (talk) 07:33, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

Errors in Picture

The top picture, created with original research, shows a number of errors. There is only one country with a US base in Africa, Djibouti. Not Somalia, Morocco, or Egypt. The picture is clearly depicting US bases but there are none. Sources? No bases in Turkmenistan either, or Norway. or Indonesia. Ottawakismet 69.165.169.126 (talk) 16:39, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

I agree. It's been removed. bobrayner (talk) 11:42, 29 March 2015 (UTC)

"within the Russian empire"

The spamming of the phrase "within the Russian empire" throughout the article, after every country that has ever fallen victim to Russian government aggression, appears to be a form of irredentist territory marking. Unless it's necessary it should not be included, per WP:UNDUE. It should certainly not be spammed throughout.Volunteer Marek (talk) 13:55, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

It should be removed but actually seems more like anti-Russian mentality to me. It implies Russia even wants to restore their old "empire". I have no doubt it was an accusation. Bataaf van Oranje (talk) 14:20, 20 June 2015 (UTC)

Add "Terminology" section?

The following discussion is an archived record of a request for comment. Please do not modify it. No further edits should be made to this discussion. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.

The consensus is to oppose the proposal. AlbinoFerret 18:11, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

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Does the term "Cold War II" refer to only Russian–US relations or extend to other political relationships? I found articles mentioning US–China relations with the phrase "Cold War": FT, US News editorial, Time. --George Ho (talk) 08:38, 30 April 2015 (UTC)

• Weak Oppose For what it's worth, a quick google of "new cold war -russia" reveals the term being used to describe conflict between secularism and religion, Saudi Arabia and Iran, and even the USPS and cyberterrorists. It seems to be applied broadly to any kind of geopolitical tensions. I fear a slippery slope if we don't keep the article in line with Cold war (general term). This article Cold War II seems to be almost entirely about post-cold war relations between Russia and the west. The thing is, the claim that China-United States relations have evolved beyond mere sabre-rattling is purely hypothetical. This article details mainly concrete facts, which I think is helpful because otherwise this would just be a compendium of possible scenarios where the US has tensions with another country. If you look at the lede at Cold war (general term), we could probably come up with a dozen other sourceable examples where the US is already doing these things (proxy war, propaganda, etc). I fear WP:COATRACK here. <> Alt lys er svunnet hen (talk) 23:27, 30 April 2015 (UTC)
• Oppose for mostly the same reasons as Alt lys. This article is about a particular topic. We've chosen the name "Cold War II", which may nor may not be the best name for it. But other things to which that label has been applied are different topics, and if they're notable enough for coverage in Wikipedia, then we use WP:Disambiguation to separate them.  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽^ʌⱷ҅_ᴥⱷ^ʌ≼  00:35, 4 May 2015 (UTC)
• Oppose?This RFC doens't ask a binary question to support or oppose. That being said, I agree with the two commenters above me, and believe it should remain largely an article for Russian-US relationships. If you open it up it could quickly become an article about my wife and I's cold war, where we steal the blankets from each other during the middle of the night.Lucutious (talk) 12:11, 5 May 2015 (UTC)
• Depends on how we use it I am opposed to making statements about the Cold War and using US-China info here because it's confusing, but if we add in interesting information talking about a new Cold War with China, those references could be useful. LesVegas (talk) 00:11, 6 May 2015 (UTC)
• Oppose The three sources may have used "Cold War", but they didn't use "Cold War II", which is what the article is titled. Besides the three sources linked are rather weak in that regard. They don't outright refer to US-China relations as a new cold war; one of them even denies that a US/China cold war will happen. If the article were about conflicts that have been called Cold War II, then I would support inclusion, but at present I don't think it deserves even a mention. Banedon (talk) 10:01, 7 May 2015 (UTC)

• I think this is all rather scholastic. The name is admittedly imperfect due to the fact that the article essentially catalogues very recent (by the standards of any encyclopedia) and ongoing events. But the term could be justified: the number 2 therein implies a clear reference to THE Cold War, which evokes unmistakable associations, the prime one being the rivalry exactly between Russia (the USSR) and the US for the global dominance (to put it bluntly). And not just some highly localised and geopolitically irrelevant (unless you watch CNN claptrap on a daily basis) squabble somewhere in the Near East. Russia is the only state that not merely defies the US, but challenges the entire status quo as established post-Cold War, as is clear from Putin's quotes cited in the Background section. There is every sign that he is determined to achieve at least what the USSR had, i.e. dominance over half of the Continental Europe, or to go nuclear in a very literal sense of the term, i.e. obliterating the centres of Western civilisation. This is almost official now. Thus, at the end of the day, Yes, it is about the US vs the RF, as the US is the only military force in NATO to speak of. But the implications thereof are very broad, the phenomenon is nascent, therefore a separate article is warranted, I think. We do not know as of now how it is to evolve: it may very well be the case, the appropriate title in a few months will be "THE RUN-UP TO WORLD WAR III".Axxxion (talk) 14:31, 28 May 2015 (UTC)

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Denials of "Cold War II"

Since consensus unilaterally opposed inclusion of other relationships, perhaps we must decide on including or omitting doubts or denials of the Russia–US relationship reaching to a near-heated tension level. Also, we can discuss whether this is actually "Cold War II". --George Ho (talk) 22:48, 8 May 2015 (UTC)

A lot of the article seems to focused on Cold War I

Clr324 (say hi) 21:59, 11 May 2015 (UTC)

Russian invasion

I'm disputing the source cited as reliable because it's an opinion piece, and since it appears to be a minority view. See War in Donbass. A simple search of that page does reveal that Ukraine thinks it's been invaded by Russia, but everyone else calls it "military intervention", which is a step down from outright invasion. Even the Ukrainian sources call it a "stealth invasion" more than an "invasion", which indicates an evident difference in the intensity of the intervention. I think it's better to not claim that Russia is invading Ukraine. Banedon (talk) 01:31, 28 May 2015 (UTC)

Denial of Russian-Chinese alliance

I suppose this is because most people either don't want to believe it or have rarely heard about it, but Russia and China enjoy extremely close relations today. There is without a doubt a notable resurgence of the Cold War today. But the main view is that–instead of a Cold War II–the original Cold War never actually ended. Americans often believe that it was only a war between America and imperialism of the Soviet Union; it wasn't. It was a power struggle between Western hegemony and newly independent or developing states that massively favored communism. Since communism still exists, and America still opposes it, why in the world would you leave out China? They are literally communist. No, Russia is not the Soviet Union. Bataaf van Oranje (talk) 14:17, 20 June 2015 (UTC)