Talk:James Holmes (mass murderer)

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Presumed Guilt & Lone Wolf Theory

I added a neutral POV tag to the section detailing Holmes' involvement in the shooting at the theater in Aurora. There is no account for the several eyewitnesses who claim that there were multiple men acting & it is written as a narrative presuming that Holmes acted alone, which is unlikely. Ferociouslettuce (talk) 23:28, 24 June 2015 (UTC)

There is no presumption of guilt. Eyewitness statements are WP:PRIMARY sources and frequently unreliable. Your opinion on the likelihood of the prosecution's narrative of events being true is not relevant. A NPOV tag is not warranted. VQuakr (talk) 04:05, 14 July 2015 (UTC)

Suicide attempts

What the article currently says:

Evidently, Holmes made various suicide attempts referred to as "half-hearted" in days before the scheduled hearing on November 15.

Videos of these incidents became available last week or so, and apparently at least one of them was also discussed with a psychologist. He might have offered different explanations if he talked about them more than once (similar to how he described different reasons for pictures on his phone, which may have referred to pictures of himself or other pictures as well), but he told one psychologist that the reason for falling off his bed was that it had to do with faith. Sort of like those business training events where you fall backwards and other people catch you. It appears that he curls forward just before hitting the ground, so his head doesn't hit first. Based on this and his explanation, it might not be accurate to describe that as a suicide attempt.

For the other time, it does appear he runs at a wall and hits it with his head. I don't know if he offered an explanation for why he did that. 2601:600:8500:B2D9:39C2:C75C:DEF0:5B44 (talk) 04:20, 16 July 2015 (UTC)

When I met this person and he described his plans to me in person, he stated that suicide attempts would be part of his cover up to appear more crazy then he actually is. Apparently he was good enough to delude one foolish juror into believing him. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.164.188.243 (talk) 09:33, 17 August 2015 (UTC)

Section for Verdict and Sentencing

Request: I think there needs to be a separate section or subsection for trial verdict and sentencing.

Edit request in "personal life" section

Clarification is needed in the last paragraph. It should mention that the information is from her court room testimony.

"In October 2011, he began dating a student in his biology class, Gargi Datta. Their relationship lasted for about two months and ended when Datta felt distant from him following an encounter between Holmes and another man who talked to her during a date on Saint Patrick's Day. According to her, Holmes often made flat jokes that made other people feel uncomfortable and expressed his desire to kill people, to which she tried to recommend getting professional help despite not taking his claims seriously. They resumed their relationship in early 2012, but it ended again in February.[33][34][35]"

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"In October 2011, he began dating a student in his biology class, Gargi Datta. According to her court room testimony in his trial, their relationship lasted for about two months and ended when Datta felt distant from him following an encounter between Holmes and another man who talked to her during a date on Saint Patrick's Day. According to her, Holmes often made flat jokes that made other people feel uncomfortable and expressed his desire to kill people, to which she tried to recommend getting professional help despite not taking his claims seriously. They resumed their relationship in early 2012, but it ended again in February.[33][34][35]" Rajkancherla (talk) 20:32, 23 July 2015 (UTC)

Move Most of Article to 2012 Aurora shooting

As is often the case with a subject that is notable only for a single event, most of this article is about the 2012 Aurora shooting. Most of that content should be merged with the article about the shooting. The main problem is not that the same event is covered in two articles, although that is a problem. The main problem is that both articles about the event (in this case the shooting) develop independently and inconsistently. Therefore, it is best to have all coverage of the event in the article about the event, so that all editors with interest in that subject focus their attention on one article. That will assure that the best content and source are gathered in one place. This article's content about the shooting should be reduced to a very brief summary, in my opinion.—Finell 21:46, 26 July 2015 (UTC)

Edit request - August 7, 2015

The jury found that Holmes 'did not intend' [to] kill children', but he killed a little girl anyway... shouldn't "American murderers of children" be added? --LLcentury (talk) 23:47, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

 Not done As noted in the summary for that category: "This category does not include spree killers, people who commit multiple murders in a rapid time span, with the exception of those which are targeted at children specifically, such as a school shooting." VQuakr (talk) 21:42, 9 August 2015 (UTC)

Wait so by targeting a place where their is a high chance to be children around no matter what time the screening is, but by avoiding a school, he avoids the American murderers of Children category? I thought this was more like if A and B then C, not If A but also not C but also B then I have unlogiced this for no reason? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.164.188.243 (talk) 10:28, 17 August 2015 (UTC)

Motive

James Eagan Holmes is a coward who decided to commit mass murder due to his girlfriend at the time deciding to leave him for a better opportunity or better man. Anyone who disputes this is a liar. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.164.188.243 (talk) 09:27, 17 August 2015 (UTC)

sentencing detail missing in article

12 consecutive life sentences or 12 concurrent life sentences ? 99.251.239.140 (talk) 22:01, 26 August 2015 (UTC)