Talk:Isabella II

This is the talk page for discussing improvements to the Isabella II article.
This is not a forum for general discussion of the article's subject.

Put new text under old text. Click here to start a new topic.
New to Wikipedia? Welcome! Learn to edit; get help.

Article policies

Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL

Biography: Royalty and Nobility C‑class

	Biography portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Biography, a collaborative effort to create, develop and organize Wikipedia's articles about people. All interested editors are invited to join the project and contribute to the discussion. For instructions on how to use this banner, please refer to the documentation.BiographyWikipedia:WikiProject BiographyTemplate:WikiProject Biographybiography articles
C	This article has been rated as C-class on Wikipedia's content assessment scale.
	This article is supported by WikiProject Royalty and Nobility (assessed as Mid-importance).

Spain C‑class High‑importance

	Spain portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Spain, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Spain on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.SpainWikipedia:WikiProject SpainTemplate:WikiProject SpainSpain articles
C	This article has been rated as C-class on Wikipedia's content assessment scale.
High	This article has been rated as High-importance on the project's importance scale.

Women's History C‑class High‑importance

	History portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Women's History, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Women's history and related articles on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.Women's HistoryWikipedia:WikiProject Women's HistoryTemplate:WikiProject Women's HistoryWomen's History articles
C	This article has been rated as C-class on Wikipedia's content assessment scale.
High	This article has been rated as High-importance on the project's importance scale.

You really choose a bad picture

You have chosen a bad taken photo of Isabel II. What is the point having so many portraits. Is it an encyclopædia or what? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.253.96.133 (talk) 15:02, 2 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Then upload a better photo. --Lecen (talk) 15:10, 2 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I did, but someone reverse the changes.

English within the Article

Has anybody else noticed that the English in this article is written in less than fluent English? I suggest that somebody who is more fluent go through the article (especially the opening paragraphs) and upgrade and clarify the language. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 84.67.39.67 (talk) 13:14, 6 December 2006 (UTC).[reply]

I've done some editing for grammar and clarity. As grammar at a certain point involves style, I won't be offended if some edits are reversed, although clearly I believe the changes to be an improvement. The article has a fondness for long sentences with many commas; these are not grammatically incorrect but can be confusing. I haven't been able to fix all of these. Furthermore, some is difficult to understand with my very basic knowledge of Spanish history and the wording. For example, exactly what is meant by the "ambiguous friendship" Isabella maintained with her husband after her exile? These need to be addressed, but I can't do so. Alex60466176 (talk) 01:50, 27 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Links to other Queen Isabellas (including Isabella I of Spain)

There have been many women in history with that name and title:

Isabella I of Castile and Aragon (1451-1504): also known as Isabella of Castile [preferred Wikipedia form], Isabella of Spain. Known to have sponsored Christopher Columbus' voyage to the New World.
Isabella of Angoulême (1187-1246): King John of England divorced his first wife to marry her when she was 12 or 13. Isabella was the mother of Henry III of England.
Isabella I, Queen of Jerusalem (1192-1205): married four times, she succeeded her father Almaric I and her sister Sibyl to the throne and was succeeded by her daughter, Marie of Monteferrat.
Isabella of France, queen consort of Edward II of England (1292-1358). Helped depose and murder her husband.
Isabella of Bavaria [preferred Wikipedia form is Isabeau of Bavaria] (1371-1435): queen consort of Charles VI of France.
Isabella of Portugal: second wife of John II of Castile, and mother of Isabella I of Castile and Aragon.
Isabella Clara Eugenia (1566-1633): Archduchess of Austria - ruled Spanish Netherlands.
Isabella Farnese (1692-1766): queen consort of Philip V of Spain.
Isabella II of Spain (1830-1919): Bourbon queen.

— Iggynelix 21:05, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)

as edited by Diamantina 07:28, 13 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Husband and Children

Did Queen Isabella II's husband become King Consort? If he did, was his reignal name Antonio I or Felipe VI? In addition, was Infante Luis(1867-1874) lastly born child, or were there more after him? If so, then please mention the last one, even if it was stillborn. --Anglius 20:50, 15 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Also, there are other issues with that list of children... It lists only 9 of 12, and the way i count them, i get 7 (arguably six) who reached maturity, not five as listed in the article... -- Jokes Free4Me (talk) 20:59, 15 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

He never got a rank over duke nor was king consort nor had regnal name in consequence since it could have meant a virtual degradation of Isabella as "true, single and legitime" regnal queen of Spain, which could have been exploited as propaganda by her enemies the carlists. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 150.244.129.121 (talk) 14:16, 20 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Dancing Isabella

She really moves about. How about we just get rid of that Bourbon template monstrosity? --Stbalbach 23:02, 8 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Ancestor infobox

Cosmos666 has added a box which shows Isabella's four grandparents and eight great-grandparents. This is certainly not usual for an encylopedia article (indeed, often not for a full-length book about the subject). I suggest removal. If not, what are the limits to this? Noel S McFerran 04:10, 27 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Why Isabella and not Isabel?

Why the articles is "Isabella II of Spain" and not "Isabel II (of Spain)". Why is it "_Juan Carlos I" instead of "John Charles I"??--Karljoos (talk) 00:09, 25 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

For Juan Carlos the case is simple: he has consistently been called that in English language texts, and our usual policy is to stick to how someone is commonly known in English. As for Isabel / Isabella, I suspect we followed the 1911 Britannica. In Spanish, she is known as Isabel. (FWIW, I've translated a lot of articles about the Isabeline era, and have consistently followed this article in calling her "Isabella".) - Jmabel | Talk 06:00, 6 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I have seen this issue come up time after time in articles about European royalty. The unfortunate fact is that some names are customarily anglicized, some aren't, and there is no rhyme or reason as to which are which. Fernando VII is usually Ferdinand VII, while Alfonso XIII is rarely Alphonse XIII. For what it's worth, I vote for "Isabel" here since I certainly have seen the name rendered that way in English more than once. Kevin Nelson (talk) 11:07, 10 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

We should keep the current title because it is the most common name used to refer to her. Eve if it weren't, we'd still have to keep this article consistent with the articles about her ancestress, Isabella I of Castile. Surtsicna (talk) 12:27, 10 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I think that Isabella is still a nice name though. Isabel could work too but that is how it is. My name is Portugese. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.112.44.186 (talk) 05:56, 24 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

However, "Isabella" is not the anglicized version of the Spanish Isabel. It is italianized (Isabella is a very common name in Italy).

Moreover, in Spanish, the English name "Elizabeth" is translated as "Isabel" (see for instance, the Spanish version of the article about Queen Elizabeth II), while in Italian it is traslated as "Elisabetta".

So, the interesting question asked by Karljoos is still unanswered. Paolo.dL (talk) 09:38, 22 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

There is no good answer why some people, including the author of this article, decide to translate Isabel to Isabella. It makes no sense.

Cortes Generales

Isn't "Cortes Generales" a bit anachronistic for this era? Wouldn't it just have been "Cortes"? (I could be wrong; our article Cortes Generales deals only with the post-Franco institution, and I can't think of ever seeing the institution in the 19th century referred to in this manner.) - Jmabel | Talk 05:55, 6 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

"first and so far only Queen regnant of Spain"

That's kind of misleading, since Juana la Loca was in basically the same situation (even if some of the technical details of her titles were a little different). AnonMoos (talk) 12:21, 15 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Saying otherwise might be misleading. Isabella II was the first female sovereign of a unified kingdom known as Spain. Joanna was sovereign of many, many small kingdoms that became Kingdom of Spain only when Philip V ascended the thrones. Surtsicna (talk) 12:53, 15 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

However, "first and so far only Queen regnant of Spain" is only true by a technicality, and not true in substance, so it is somewhat misleading in implication. AnonMoos (talk) 18:38, 15 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Can it be changed to "first and so far only queen regnant of Spain since the unification of the kingdom in the 18th century"? Surtsicna (talk) 18:41, 15 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Added Isabella I; the situation of Johanna is sufficiently complicated (did she ever reign in Aragon?) that I don't see explaining it in a sentence in an article on somebody else. "Only queen regnant of Spain in modern times"? Septentrionalis PMAnderson 00:16, 8 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

A giantic majority of people believe Spain emerge before Philip V, I just saying. I like "in modern times" better.--Queen Elizabeth II's Little Spy (talk) 01:52, 8 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Isn't Philip II, considered the first monarch of a united Spain? GoodDay (talk) 21:03, 8 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

As much as James I is considered the first monarch of a united Britain. Surtsicna (talk) 22:00, 8 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Actually probably a little more than James I. Like history says Spanish colonization happen in Philip II's reign, not Castilian or Aragonese colonization, but only English colonization happen in James I's reign never British colonization. Also the Spanish Armada not the Castilian or Aragonese Armada. --Queen Elizabeth II's Little Spy (talk) 09:25, 9 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Relationship to husband

In both this article and the one about Francis of Cadiz it says that they were double first cousins because there fathers were brothers and their mothers were sisters. It should also be mentioned that Francis was also her nephew because Isabelle's mother was the niece of Isabelle's father — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.77.127.106 (talk) 16:12, 26 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Parentage of Alfonso XII

Michener in Iberia reckons the probable father of Alfonso XII was an American dentist called McKeon arguing that Puigmoltó was away on maneuvers at the relevant time. That's not a good enough source in itself but does any serious history address the possibility? SoulRebel56 (talk) 14:50, 5 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]