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Are the mentioned sources reliable??

Is http://www.india-religion.net/ a relaible source????? Please verify???

Timeline

This page depicts a wrong timeline without any citations. I found his timeline to be 321-297 BC from [this] page 84 written by A Sreedhara Menon, pinging ogress. There's no mention of his (after initiation as a jain ascetic) name Prabhachandra. Ref from book of Rice already cited in article. Pinging cpt.a.haddock Another suggested source https://books.google.co.in/books?id=WzEzXDk0v6sC page 41

Nanda Army

Why do we need so long quote kautilya3? -- Pankaj Jain Capankajsmilyo (talk · contribs · count) 13:59, 23 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I said you should edit it rather than delete it. (You still don't seem to be reading edit summaries!) - Kautilya3 (talk) 14:21, 23 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Religion

The source you cited doesn't mention Hinduism on page 41 Kautilya3 -- Pankaj Jain Capankajsmilyo (talk · contribs · count) 14:14, 23 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

No, but it mentions that he converted to Jainism, whereas our fried said he had always been a Jain. What was his religion earlier? Unless there is particular information about a specific tradition, we assume that he belonged to the generic religion of India, which is called "Hinduism." (Don't blame me. That is all we can do about historical figures. If you ask me, we shouldn't use the religion field for historical figures at all.) - Kautilya3 (talk) 14:29, 23 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Incidentally, please note that your source was a WP:PRIMARY source, not allowed. - Kautilya3 (talk) 14:30, 23 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Was Hinduism even prevalent at all in the Chandragupta's period in Chandragupta's kingdom? -- Pankaj Jain Capankajsmilyo (talk · contribs · count) 14:34, 23 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Why don't you read the Hinduism article and find out? Or the Arthasastra? - Kautilya3 (talk) 15:40, 23 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Arthashastra doesn't mention Hinduism as a prevalent religion nor does Hinduism mention chandragupta. -- Pankaj Jain Capankajsmilyo (talk · contribs · count) 15:52, 23 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Ashvawiki: You have made unsourced POV claims about Chandragupta's religion 4 times today: [1], [2], [3], [4]. You don't seem to have bothered to check the source that I added, which says that he converted to Jainism. If you have a reliable WP:HISTRS source that says that he was a Jain from the beginning, please produce it now. Otherwise, you should self-revert. - Kautilya3 (talk) 18:30, 23 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Kautilya3 there is no proof that Chandragupta Maurya converted from Hinduism to Jainism. All the texts say that he became Jaina Muni. None of the texts say he converted his religion. It means he was Jain originally. Also the name of a Ganadhar of Tirthankara Mahavira was called Maurya. He was indeed descended from him.

Why don't you give proof that Chandragupta Maurya followed Hinduism before converting to Jainism. If you can't provide proof it means Chandragupta Maurya was originally lay Jain and later in his life he became Jaina Muni. Ashvawiki (talk) 18:36, 23 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The last version that you reverted didn't say that he followed Hinduism earlier. It only said that he "converted to Jainism", which is as per the source. Your assertion that if I can't provide a source for Hinduism, it means that he was originally a lay Jain is WP:OR and WP:SYNTHESIS. It is not permitted on Wikipedia. To say that he was a Jain from the beginning, you need to produce a source that says exactly that. And, it has to be a WP:HISTRS. - Kautilya3 (talk) 18:43, 23 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Lead is very big. Should it not be reduced? -- Pankaj Jain Capankajsmilyo (talk · contribs · count) 14:57, 23 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Religion

Kautilya3 (talk) which source says Chandragupta Maurya ever converted his religion. It says he became Jaina Muni. It means he was always Jain. It is written in texts that Chandragupta Maurya saw 16 dreams, which spoke of changing times ahead because of which he abdicated his throne and took Jaineshwari Diksha. Chandragupta Maurya's guru was Bhadrabahu the last Shrutakevali. Chanakya was his adviser only. No where you find that Chandragupta Maurya changed his religion. This shows that Chandragupta Maurya was Jain from birth. Tiloyapannati says he was Jain from beginning. Ashvawiki (talk) 18:48, 23 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]