Talk:Tekken 7

The game exists now, so don't delete it.

Tekken 7 already exists now, so don't delete the page. It might not be released yet, but it was at least announced in July, a couple of months ago. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 118.209.89.128 (talk) 03:43, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

External links

I'm not sure what Wikipedia's policy is on external links anymore but I have additional details about Tekken 7 at http://eng.tekkenpedia.com/wiki/Tekken_7 Rodeoclash (talk) 22:19, 5 October 2014 (UTC)

Tekken 7 on PS4

No release date for console versions has officially been announced, however, Katsuhiro Harada has stated he wants to continue the Tekken series on Ps4. As well, it has been announced for Ps4 through other sources. Moreover, Tekken in the arcades has always been running on PlayStation in the arcades, and THEN ported to the PlayStation console at the time. All of this information can be found on wikipedia on the official tekken and tekken media pages.

Tekken 1 & 2 on namco system 11, based on Ps1 then ported to Ps1
Tekken 3 & Tag 1 on namco system 12, based on upgraded version of Ps1, then ported to Ps1 and Ps2 respectively
Tekken 4 on namco system 246, based on Ps2, then ported to Ps2
Tekken 5 & DR on namco system 256, based on upgraded Ps2 (ported instead to PsP and Ps3)
Tekken 6 & BR on namco system 357, based on Ps3, then ported to Ps3 (delayed to be ported on 360 as well, also had a downgraded PsP port)
Tekken Tag 2 on namco system 369, based on upgraded Ps3, then ported to Ps3 (also made ports for 360 and Wii U)

From the information we can tell, Tekken 7 is running on namco system 478 which is based on the Ps4, so it would be laughable not to include PlayStation 4 on the tekken 7 wikipedia page. It is inevitable that a release date will be announced next year, along with possibly simultaneous Xbone & PC ports as well. I say, we leave the page the way it is. It does not hurt to mention Ps4 next to arcade, in platforms. In fact I would say it would hurt NOT to mention Ps4. Not to mention the fact that it is backed up by reliable sources. THREE of them. 129.49.10.153 (talk) 20:15, 21 October 2014 (UTC)

Namco system 478 has been debunked by Harada, but another tweet from him has implied that a Ps4 version of Tekken 7 is in development --> https://twitter.com/Harada_TEKKEN/status/540671469328412672

Here, when the topic of Tekhen 7 on Ps4 is brought up, the tweeter assumed it was for Ps4 only and not Ps3. Harada did not respond by saying that a Ps4 version was not in development, and this would've been the appropriate time. Osh33m (talk) 00:58, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

Harada's tweets regarding console platforms are deliberately ambiguous. He has neither confirmed nor denied any console platforms. https://twitter.com/Harada_TEKKEN/status/541752126741811200 What do other users think? Should the article list both PS4 and Xbox One, or no consoles at all? I'm leaning towards the latter. Buckchoi (talk) 02:53, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

Here's the thing with that. Since the development section of this article opens with a statement of Harada talking about making a new Tekken game for Ps4, I find it would be inconsistent to have that, but not to have PlayStation 4 listed in platforms at the same time. 130.245.251.218 (talk) 03:03, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

I thought he already said it will be released on PS4? Didn't he even give a general time frame of the release date? He already said it's not going to be on PS3.--Krystaleen 03:07, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

He said he's going to make a new Tekken game for Ps4. And after the reveal, when someone on twitter demanding Tekken 7 being on Ps3 and not just Ps4, he essentially said it won't be on Ps3. But he never denied a Ps4 port, nor has a release date been announced for it.130.245.251.218 (talk) 03:11, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

What do users other than Osh33m/129.49.10.153/129.49.11.138/130.245.251.218 (I suspect they're all one and the same) think? Any arguments towards adding Xbox One to the list? Buckchoi (talk) 03:32, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

I posted above. As for Xbox, has Harada said anything about xbox?--Krystaleen 03:37, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

Not that I'm aware of, but I haven't read every single tweet. Buckchoi (talk) 03:53, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

Me neither, but I'm pretty sure he's brought up PS4 before. I wouldn't mind leaving it off the article until it's actually announced though.--Krystaleen 04:27, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

Think of it from a practical perspective. The last two Tekken games did not have American arcade releases, so it is likely Tekken 7 will not either. The Tekken series is largely exclusive to PlayStation, and even after going multiplatform, has consistently sold better on PlayStation, which means that's where most of the Tekken install base is, needless to say, most Tekken players now will probably be on Ps4. So for American users who visit the Tekken 7 page every day, and see only "arcade" in the platforms, it is not very reassuring. But with Harada stating he wants to make a Tekken for Ps4 along with Tekken's PlayStation historical usage in arcades, makes more than likely a Tekken 7 release on Ps4, and having it listed next to arcade makes sense and would be beneficial to readers of this Tekken 7 wikipedia article, and insuring day to day readers of this page. You may call it "speculation", but I call it logic, evidence, and reasoning based on history. Osh33m (talk) 07:10, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

You can work around all of that by simply putting a sentence in the article that states the 100% factual truth, which is that console platforms are yet to be announced. Buckchoi (talk) 08:28, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

I'm with Buckchoi here, we go with what reliable sources have said on the matter - in this case nothing. The source currently citing the information doesn't confirm that Tekken 7 is coming to Playstation 4, just that a Tekken game might come to PS4 in the future. It's speculative at best and outright original research at worst to say that that means Tekken 7 is confirmed for PS4. As such I'm going to remove the information and suggest that someone introduce an actual reliable source which states 'Tekken 7 is confirmed for PS4' if they want it in the article. I found no such sources. Sam Walton (talk) 12:58, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

And there we have it! Osh33m (and all your IP addresses), as I told you right from the very beginning of our edit war, I am right and you are wrong! Suck it up and deal with it! 122.58.143.234 (talk) 15:05, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

No need to be a prick about it, IP 122.58.143.... I don't care if anyone considers it "original research," to me if that's what O.R is, then it deserves more credit than it is given at wikipedia. It's one reason no one ever considers wikipedia reliable. Every single thing I've said is true and you'd have to seriously be in denial to just think it is not. I don't agree at all with leaving it off, I think it is pointless and stupid going and so "by the book" actually makes wikipedia less helpful. But I'm not gonna bother to change it anymore. In the words of user TaerkastUSA, "Yeah, I agree. Tekken 7 will come to PS4, sometimes it's mundane but the Wikipedia rules on sourcing and speculation are to be followed. However, given the likelihood of it coming to PS4, I don't see a problem in it being added. No point making a big deal out of it really." But you guys love to keep a lack of obviously true information here on wikipedia because it is "original research".

Mark my words, Tekken 7 will be announced for PlayStation 4 soon (probably other platforms as well) and when it does, ask yourself, would it really hurt to have it written here before that, since it was inevitable? Osh33m (talk) 15:36, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

Feel absolutely free to tell me 'I told you so' if/when it's announced. Sam Walton (talk) 15:55, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

Is that really all you had to say? What good will it even do me at that point? Osh33m (talk) 16:05, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

What else did you expect me to say? Advancing positions not supported by reliable sources is unarguable original research, no matter how strongly anyone thinks something to be true. Sam Walton (talk) 16:25, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

Osh33m: Regarding your "ask yourself" remark, yes it would hurt, because listing only PS4 implies console exclusivity, but you don't know if it will be exclusive or not, do you? I advise you to go and read comments online from your "American users" and see how they have reacted to Street Fighter V's PS4 console exclusivity, and you will then realise that your article edit has the potential to do much more harm than good. 122.58.143.234 (talk) 16:44, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

The case is different with Tekken because it has a long history of being exclusive to PlayStation from 1994 (its inception) to 2008 (Tekken 6 announced multiplatform). And since going multiplatform, there have been 2 more PlayStation exclusive Tekken products, and they were Tekken Hybrid and Tekken Revolution. So it wouldn't be unreasonable to believe or say Tekken 7 will be exclusive, although it probably won't be because it defeats their purpose of using Unreal Engine 4. Street Fighter on the other hand, was never exclusive to PlayStation. So the American gamers' outrage there is more reasonable. Osh33m (talk) 00:54, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

Your whole argument puts far too much emphasis on history, when in reality sometimes it really doesn't count for all that much. Street Fighter has an even longer history of being multiplatform (much more so than most video game franchises), yet here we are with a major console exclusive title on the distant horizon. As for Hybrid and Revolution, the only reason they were exclusive is because there were limitations that prevented them from also being on Xbox 360. Hybrid contains a 3D Blu-ray movie (Xbox 360 isn't Blu-ray compatible) and Revolution is free-to-play (Microsoft weren't interested in doing business with that concept https://twitter.com/Harada_TEKKEN/status/343602305293238274). As for Tekken 7, I've said this many times before during our edit war, but I will say it one more time, you can believe whatever the hell you like about platforms/exclusivity, but when it comes to the Wikipedia article keep your speculative views to yourself, stick to the facts when leaving your contribution. 122.58.143.234 (talk) 05:35, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

Harada could've allowed for Tekken Tag HD to be a download on the XBL markeplace but he decided not to do that either. And even if those games were special circumstances, it further reinforces the fact that most of the Tekken's fanbase is on the PlayStation platforms. You don't need to keep repeating yourself I already said I'd stop adding it to this page even though it's clear as day that Tekken 7 will be on Ps4.130.245.251.178 (talk) 06:55, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

Don't assume that was Harada's decision to make. TTT HD may not be on XBL, but it's also not on PSN. I suspect its lack of online multiplayer may be the reason for that. If it was released as a standalone title (in its current state) on PSN & XBL, many potential buyers would've expected it to feature online multiplayer (since most other fighting game HD remasters do). They might not have bought it with such a desired feature absent, so from a business perspective the additional cost of porting it to Xbox 360 versus the expected sales, might not have been worthwhile (you must understand that Harada doesn't hold the purse strings). If you're now thinking that they could've just added online multiplayer (and I wish they had), well then again that'd be a business decision. For Hybrid, the lack of online multiplayer in TTT HD is less of an issue sales-wise, since TTT HD is only one part of a three part package. To reiterate, Hybrid and Revolution were "forced exclusives", as opposed to a concious decision or a greasing of the palms. 122.58.143.234 (talk) 10:36, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

Whatever explanation you try to make for it, at the end of the day those games further reinforce Tekken's strong association with the PlayStation brand, whether it was intentional or not. And the fact of the matter is that most people who play Tekken play it on PlayStation.129.49.11.157 (talk) 18:30, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

Okay guys, you can safely add PS4 and Xbox One now, Harada just tweeted the new trailer on youtube and it clearly states it's going to be out on PS4 and Xbox in 2015 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vTUE5gSMZTw.--Krystaleen 04:48, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

I didn't see a logo for Ps4 or Xbone in that trailer.... Osh33m (talk) 21:41, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

it's in the title.--Krystaleen 22:56, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

A seemingly relatively unknown Youtube channel is not a reliable source. Sam Walton (talk) 23:24, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

Normally yes, but Harada himself announced the new trailer on twitter and then tweeted that link. Has to be official, no?--Krystaleen 11:28, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

I'd again consider that too tenuous a link. If at any point the game is confirmed for consoles, I guarantee it won't be this hard to figure it out. Sam Walton (talk) 12:34, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

That trailer was obviously real, but unless it was uploaded by namco bandai or an official tekken channel, we cannot go based off the title of the video. Osh33m (talk) 19:48, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

I can't read what all this says, but it does say something about xbone. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B6bh0svCcAE5XfN.jpg:large Osh33m (talk) 01:32, 5 January 2015 (UTC)

Also, I've found this tweet from him about T7 development, saying it is PlayStation native. That to me is confirmation enough that the game is releasing at least on Ps4. I'm gonna put it back on the page. Any objections? https://twitter.com/Harada_TEKKEN/status/434734120753569792 Osh33m (talk) 02:53, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

No, that is not confirmation. Confirmation would be Harada saying which consoles the game will be on, so far, all I've seen as sources are, websites claiming that it will be on the PS4 (which is just assumption), and Harada referencing a PS4 build, lightly in the past. None of that is direct confirmation. When Harada or Bandai Namco says, Tekken 7 is going to be on the PS4, then it would be appropriate to add the PS4 as a console. Llum (talk) 06:39, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

That doesn't make any sense. Given the history of the series, Harada was responding on twitter to someone asking about a PC version of Tekken 7. Harada responds by saying the game's development is PlayStation native. What are you saying we do? Completely ignore it? It is evidence enough that a Ps4 version of Tekken 7 is in development. Osh33m (talk) 21:15, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

I agree with Llum. Per my previous comment, it will not be this hard or contentious to know if PS4 is confirmed when it is, there will be plenty of reliable source coverage and official statements in obvious places. Lets wait until then. I'd rather that people just don't find out that PS4 is a platform yet when it actually is than think it is when it actually isn't. I don't want Wikipedia to propagate a myth that Tekken 7 is coming out on PS4 when it may yet not be. Sam Walton (talk) 21:18, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

You'd "rather people just don't find out that Ps4 is a platform yet"? I think of it the other way around. It is clear enough from statements from Harada that this game will indeed come to Ps4, and wikipedia has that information ahead of time. I do not see the harm in leaving it here. Think about it. "Platforms: Arcade, PlayStation 4" at this point in time it would be strange to remove Ps4 from it, after what Harada has been saying and implying. Osh33m (talk) 02:00, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

Yes, I'd rather we omitted unconfirmed information than spread false information. I've moved the citation to the development section and stated exactly all that we can say without the addition of original research, that being that it's being developed natively on Playstation. PS4 does not belong in the infobox or as confirmed until such a time that it is actually confirmed. Sam Walton (talk) 10:55, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

Last year, Harada said he wants to make a new Tekken for Ps4. A month later, he says the Tekken game (in the Twitter conversation about the "7th" game) has PlayStation as the primary platform of development. A few months after that, Tekken 7 is unveiled. Therefore, it can be deduced that Tekken 7 will be released for the arcades and on PlayStation (4 in this case) at a later unspecified date, as with all previous Tekken games. Other platforms are possible, but all evidence at this point, points to at least a Tekken 7 version in development. This isn't unconfirmed information, nor is it spreading false information, nor is it original research. It is simply connecting the dots. If it needs to be off then I have no choice but to settle for it being off, but I wish you would listen to reason. Keeping it omitted does not make any sense to me. Osh33m (talk) 04:07, 15 January 2015 (UTC)

Jozie Rizal

I hope she has a Yaw Yan Scorpion Kick at least... 2001:14BA:3F2:C600:51AA:A817:44B0:8F82 (talk) 15:31, 26 June 2015 (UTC)

Beta game

So there appears to be a dispute at hand as to whether the game is in fact a beta game, something a user insists is true, and therefore alters the introduction with that statement.--Tærkast (Discuss) 10:42, 22 August 2015 (UTC)

Tekken 7 Beta

It is missing main characters and stages, many bugs are being repaired till today (check out Tekkenpedia for bugs and updates after the release).

There are 18 stages from Tekken 6, on Tekken 7 there are only 8 stages.

Nina Williams is a main character who are present in all Tekken series and not released yet on Tekken 7.

Also, the game have exactly the same stages, from the last year 2014, so calling Tekken 7 a "full release" game is absurd and it doesn't make sense.

"Location Test" is about "Testing", which means it is a Beta Testing Game.

http://www.readersgambit.com/tekken-7-hits-arcades/ (title from the site: "Tekken 7 Beta Hits Arcades") The same stages from the last year.

Tekken 7 bug: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVIYNCTnGqw (A primary bug as been reported by Location Testing Players)

All modifications since the "pseudofull" release:

30 April The game has been updated once again, from E10 to F08. The F08 version balances out the cast's attacks, as well as changing some of their move properties. Some glitches and visual bugs were also fixed in the process.

12 May Yoshimitsu has been added into the cast.

19 May Jack-7 is added to the cast.

2 June Kazumi Mishima is added to the playable cast.

4 June G15 update is made. Aside from fixing more bugs, and balancing issues, more customization items have been added. It was also now possible to form teams.

And so on... Truthtrue (talk) 17:01, 24 August 2015 (UTC)

What independent, reliable sources say the game is still in beta? —C.Fred (talk) 23:39, 24 August 2015 (UTC)

Are you following the game evolution since its first versions? There are many sites you can find these informations about new characters. Some references:

http://www.gamespot.com/articles/watch-3-new-tekken-7-fighters-in-action/1100-6426247/

http://www.ign.com/articles/2015/05/08/yoshimitsu-in-tekken-7-sure-looks-different

http://www.ign.com/articles/2015/05/29/kazumi-mishima-is-tekken-7s-next-playable-character

Truthtrue (talk) 11:56, 25 August 2015 (UTC)

Also, Harada stated at EVO 2015:

As for why the Tekken team is relying on the classic arcade model, Harada explained that the arcade version of Tekken 7 gives them a unique opportunity to further polish the game before the final version is released.

source: http://www.shacknews.com/article/90451/evo-2015-bandai-namco-and-producer-katsuhiro-harada-discuss-tekken-7 Truthtrue (talk) 14:05, 2 September 2015 (UTC)

So what is it that makes the current paragraph better than my edit?--Krystaleen 03:41, 16 September 2015 (UTC)

Since there's no communication at all I'm gonna edit it back.--Krystaleen 03:44, 18 September 2015 (UTC)

You don't need to back to the old version. Could you show your arguments? I exposed my arguments above already. So I'm wainting a response from you. Truthtrue (talk) 21:50, 18 September 2015 (UTC)

Well yes, I put my reason in the edit summary: There's no need to put the developmental stage in front of the game type in the lead sentence, mentioning it at the end of the paragraph is more suitable. There's nothing in your argument above about this at all. I'm not removing the beta mention, I'm moving it to the end of the paragraph. It simply looks weird in the lead sentence like that, and not necessary.--Krystaleen 01:22, 19 September 2015 (UTC)

Yes, fine. So move the "beta" term to the end of the paragraph, but don't remove the fact that the game is still on development, OK? Truthtrue (talk) 03:50, 19 September 2015 (UTC)

Actually that's exactly what I've done... so I'm gonna restore my edits now, ok?--Krystaleen 03:58, 19 September 2015 (UTC)

On September the term "beta" was changed to the end of paragraph, but since it is a very relevant thing and the game is still in beta stage, the citation should be in the begin of text. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Truthtrue (talk • contribs) 15:27, 15 January 2016 (UTC)

Seeing as Truthtrue decided to abruptly change his mind, I've made an area down below where people can vote, and hopefully we'll be reaching a consensus. I don't think really any explanation is needed here. 198.108.244.195 (talk) 12:53, 18 January 2016 (UTC)

Beta term at the beginning of the paragraph

Tekken 7 (鉄拳7?) is a fighting game currently in beta stage,[3][4]

Support

Oppose

Oppose. 198.108.244.195 (talk) 12:53, 18 January 2016 (UTC)

Netural

Beta term at the end of the paragraph

As of July 2015, the game is in its beta stage of development.[5][6]

Support

Support. 198.108.244.195 (talk) 12:53, 18 January 2016 (UTC)

Oppose

Netural

Unreal Engine 4 Trailer

This trailer shows that Tekken 7 will come to Ps4 & xbone. Why was this not considered a sufficient enough piece of evidence? Osh33m (talk) 16:43, 14 October 2015 (UTC)

Jack-7's status

Hello everyone, It seems people are as confused as to whether Jack-7 is a newcomer or not. After a huge amount of research, it seems he is basically like every other Jack model. Although #7 has a new design, his intro and win poses as well as his moveset are completely identical to the likes of his two predecessor Jack-6 and Jack-5. The official Japanese Tekken 7 website lists Jack as a veteran. In fact, Tekken fans that watched the Jack-7 trailer were already expecting the name to be "Jack-7". So in closing, it my best answer that Jack-7 is a veteran, due to the character being a legacy character like King or Kuma. This should end the edit war that has been plaguing the past few months. UltraDark^{:) 2 CHAT} 14:29, 17 October 2015 (UTC)

'controversy'

As Osh33m just reverted my removal of what I'd consider a non-issue I'll start a discussion here. I removed those sentences because the only sourcing present, or that I could find anywhere else, about this supposed controversy is the Forbes article. The Forbes piece is written by one of their 'contributors'; not actual staff and therefore not a reliable source. I couldn't find any actual source coverage of this character having anything but positive reception, so I don't think that documenting any controversy surrounding him belongs in the article. Sam Walton (talk) 00:58, 29 October 2015 (UTC)

I don't see how being a contributor automatically makes him an unreliable source. it was published by forbes which is ultimately reliable. that is one tweet of what could have been many more, this article documents one, with harada taking a stand for the content of his game. Osh33m (talk) 01:01, 29 October 2015 (UTC)

Forbes 'contributors' are not proper members of staff and their articles do not receive any oversight; they're glorified blogs and therefore not reliable. Sam Walton (talk) 01:16, 29 October 2015 (UTC)

The information in that article isn't false, though. It links directly to Harada's tweet about the controversy in question. Osh33m (talk) 01:20, 29 October 2015 (UTC)

And if we're basing only off a tweet can we really call it a controversy? Per WP:PRIMARY, "Any interpretation of primary source material requires a reliable secondary source for that interpretation." Sam Walton (talk) 01:24, 29 October 2015 (UTC)

Like I said, that was one tweet that was documented by an article, and it would be extremely tedious to try and pinpoint more. But judging by how the controversy section is bolstered already, I don't see any harm in keeping it included there. Osh33m (talk) 03:34, 29 October 2015 (UTC)

I don't see the logic in justifying keeping it because the rest of the section is also flimsily sourced. I'm going to remove it again until such a time that a reliable source can be shown to have covered the 'controversy'. Sam Walton (talk) 21:26, 30 October 2015 (UTC)

Why don't you go ahead and just remove the whole of the controversy section then? The Shaheen information was there for months and there was no issue, and now all of a sudden you're finding an issue with it and I don't find the logic in removing it. Why should it be removed just because you think so? This isn't fair. Osh33m (talk) 23:39, 30 October 2015 (UTC)