Talk:Toyota Corolla

Corolla years

I agree with the person below me. I think they should probably be grouped by generation, then where the market is, then what years they were produced. Japan has many variants, but few are described.

Also, a website alljapanesecars.com has pictures of every Corolla, post-TE72.

Made a few corrections Asteroid2C 10:57, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

I've made a few corrections.

E80 series: Removed reference to Holden Nova as it is not relevant to the E80, only the E90 and E100 series. (http://www.redbookasiapacific.com/au/vehicle/vehicles.php?make=HOLD&family=PSNOVA&year=19898)

Corrected the 1C diesel engine entry as diesel engines do not use carburetors - the 1C uses mechanical injection. (Toyota 1C, 2C, 2C-T engine repair manual August 1985. Part number RM025E)

Corrected Australian E86 entry as it is RWD and available as a 2 door coupe or 3 door hatch like the European version. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_AE86_Sprinter_Trueno)

E110 Series: Corrected the Japan 2.2l diesel engine entry. It is a 3C-E, and uses EFI. (http://www.cars-directory.net/specs/toyota/corolla/1998_4/ )

As for adding information on the Japanese domestic models, I might be able to help. However information on these is quite scarce making it difficult to verify. Auto Vladovostok (http://english.auto.vl.ru/catalog/toyota/corolla/) has a very large catalogue of information on the Japanese domestic models, unfortunately it doesn't have much further back than the E90 series. I am also reasonably familiar with the Japanese diesel models as they are fairly common here in Australia (I own a CE100 myself). If the regulars here don't mind i can try to add what i can on these models.

Asteroid2C

Maryland Pride

decent photo

Low quality - washed out, obstacles, exaggerated angle, tons of glare, not showing the shape of the car.

While I appreciate Maryland Pride's photographic contributions, their photos are not always improvements and I don't agree with their changes to most pages. Please take a second to read WP:CARPIX.  Mr.choppers | ✎  14:05, 10 February 2014 (UTC)

Using years that encompass all markets or use original market years (i.e. Japanese)

RE: this edit, I think this article is better served using Japanese market years as opposed to taking an all-encompassing approach. That is, the production years in section titles should not accommodate models that remained in production after production in Japan ceased. For example, the E120 was phased out in Japan during late 2006, but remained in production until October 2008 in North America. The E100 (1991–1995) continued until 1999 in Australia, etc. If we use complete years of production over mainstream years, then the year ranges become less useful in a way—losing their meaning with multiple overlapping generations. OSX (talk • contributions) 01:58, 6 January 2015 (UTC)

@ Lukeno94, I have edited the years to reflect mainstream Japanese market sale dates. Models sometimes remained in production for other markets (including in Japan for export). OSX (talk • contributions) 02:28, 25 May 2015 (UTC)

My preference is the all-encompassing approach. Otherwise you have to make judgment calls over which countries get to be called primary and which countries get to be called 2-bit secondary. Although I remember we had this discussion a while back and I was on the losing side :(  Stepho  talk  08:10, 25 May 2015 (UTC)

Yes. The situation is further complicated where manufacturers cheerfully stop producing slow selling models in Japan and then ship them halfway round the world and sell them two years later as current-year models. In the present case, we all approach the question with preconceptions based on the market situation where we grew up. We defend with passion preconceptions concerning years of manufacture (and model years which of course are different) that we find self evident, and we expect to encounter equal passion from others to whom different year ranges are equally self evident. The situation is by definition complicated, and if you simplify in pursuit of a "tidy mind" presentation of it, you will in the process distort, to the point where other people will find what results is plain wrong. Wiki guidelines provide "one size fits all" recommendations which, inevitably, don't fit all at all. In this case, maybe the answer is to provide two sets of year ranges - and therefore two section headings for each affected section. Clunky and inelegant? Yes, but that's how reality is. Not a perfect solution, but maybe a least bad solution which is the best we can aspire to. And hmmmm Charles01 (talk) 08:29, 25 May 2015 (UTC)

I strongly disagree with your changes, User:OSX, to the point where I question whether you looked at what was going on. The values I changed to with my second edit were practically all Japanese ones; perhaps I made a mistake or two, but you've gone and essentially reverted all of them, and in the process, inserted dates that I would consider to be clearly inaccurate. For example, as you alluded to in one of your edit summaries, "but the KE26 wagon and van were still marketed in Japan alongside the new 30-series, until production finally ended in May 1978." - and yet you changed the date back to 1974. That makes no sense whatsoever, because saying that the E20 was axed in 1974 misrepresents the entire history of that line - and not only that, you've reinstated a conflict with the individual article, which clearly states 1970-1978 with a reference (albeit not a fantastic one). Even if we must stick to Japanese-only dates (which to me makes little sense; as I've said before, that's a terrible representation of the history, particularly if internationally a version remained in production for a while, and it was only axed in Japan), the changes you've made are, in my opinion, quite clearly wrong. Lukeno94 (tell Luke off here) 10:36, 25 May 2015 (UTC)

Don't worry I looked at what was going on. You were using the dates of total Japanese manufacture (i.e. including minor body variants like wagons and continued production for export), not the dates of mainstream Japanese market production. When we have the following:

• Fourth generation (1979–1987);
• Fifth generation (1983–1990);
• Sixth generation (1987–1994),

The actual years become meaningless as it is difficult to decipher when each generation stopped mainstream production. E20 models were produced between 1970 and 1974 as sedans, replaced by the E30 in 1974. The continued production of the E20 wagon and van (after 1974 until 1978) were not significant in the scheme of things. Significant events are what matters for a summary article like Toyota Corolla. Precise dates can go into the infoboxes, in the case of the Corolla, relegated to the generational pages—see Toyota Corolla (E20) or Toyota Corolla (E120). I consider the section headings to not be the place to include the all-encompassing dates. OSX (talk • contributions) 01:12, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

Side air bags

Any historical info on when side airbags became standard? optional? Year or generation? 99.127.226.225 (talk) 04:37, 29 June 2016 (UTC)

In year 2009 side and curtain airbags became standard equipment. http://www.cars.com/toyota/corolla/2009/standard-equipment/