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Adhik concept

This article does not discuss the role of the adhik concept responsible for Makar Sankranti falling on different dates than January 14. Can someone please shed some light on it? Rohini (talk) 05:23, 16 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Misc

Note: There are 12 Sankrantis in a year. deeptrivia (talk) 05:32, 16 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Shouldn't this be explained with in both articles along with a list of all 12? Darkfearytales 14:11, 12 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Actually Makara Sankranti (It is a sanskrit word) is the harvest festival of India. Actually Sanskranti means transmigration of Sun from one Rasi to the other. So, there will be 12 such ones. But The transision of Sun from Dhanu Rasi to Makara Rasi marks the startinf of Uttarayana which means northern movement of Sun. Since Uttarayana is Considered as auspicious time, Makara Sankranthi is celebrated as the begining of that period.

Since India is a mixture of many cultures, at each place it is celebrated in different manner.

Sankranthi is the first most important festival of Telugu people, like Deepavali is for Tamil people. (User:Bsskchaitanya, 13 November 2006)

It's not true that the name is Makar Sankranti in North India and Sankranthi in South India. All North Indians I know also call it Sankranti or its linguistic variants. It is a colloquial shortening of Makar Sankranti. There should be only one article, with the name Makar Sankranti. There are anyway 12 sankrantis, from Mesh Sankranti to Mina Sankranti. deeptrivia (talk) 07:25, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

merge all articles into Sankranti

i think all the articles can be merged into the aaaamain article Sankranti and wherever more details are required, daughter pages can be created.Kalyan 11:23, 23 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

aaof Sankranthi

Feel that this article needs more information on the indian astronimical basis for celebration : Sankranthi (makar S) marks the change of direction of the sun northwards. So ideally it should coincide with the gregorian calendar solstice. As Bsskchaitanya mentions, this festival marks the transition into capricorn (makara) rasi. But in the gregorian, capricorn start on dec 22 and goes on to jan 20. However, sankranthi falls remarkably consistently on jan 14th (because of solar precession. If corrections are applied, sankranthi can be moved back to dec 22). Am i correct in this? Chakravartula (talk) 12:49, 12 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Name in Andhra Pradesh

(Discussion transcluded from the Sankranti talk page. --Belasd (talk) 04:50, 23 March 2009 (UTC))[reply]

It is also called as Makara Sankranti in Andhra.

I suggest that this article be merged with the article Sankranthi. Vasanthakumarep (talk) 14:40, 15 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, please add Makar Sankranthi as synonym to Sankranti. 65.60.80.199 (talk) 15:56, 26 March 2008 (UTC)spsbattu[reply]

Yes, please merge this article with sankranthi.

Yes, it's the same concept. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.211.236.190 (talk) 20:09, 13 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Merge. These are one and the same --Kedar (talk) 21:23, 13 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, please merge —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.82.233.39 (talk) 07:06, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Done. I merged the Sankranti article to Sankranthi, as the latter seemed to be the older article. It was created on Feb. 2004 as opposed to the Sankranti article which was created during April 2004. --Belasd (talk) 04:50, 23 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Proposal to remove description of Pongal and Lohri from Sankranti Page

I suggest that sections dedicated to Lohri and Pongal be removed from this page. Although they are celebrated on the same day as Sankranti, they are different festivals . Moreover, they each have their own dedicated wiki pages. --Myaoon (talk) 10:53, 15 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Traditions & Rituals

Does anybody else feel that this section just rambles on and on? What is the point of pointing out similarities between Sankranti and other Hindu Festivals???--Myaoon (talk) 18:23, 15 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: Moved. Ucucha 12:53, 12 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]


Sankranthi → Makar Sankranti — Sankranti is just passing of the Sun from 1 zodiac to another. There are 12 other sankrantis, 4 of which are well-known [1], Makar sankranti being the most famous, in some places Makar Sankranti is simply called Sankranti or Sankranthi.—Redtigerxyz Talk 11:38, 1 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

To discuss between Makar Sankranti or Makara Sankranti

--Redtigerxyz Talk 11:49, 1 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

As no one has commented, it would be reasonable to move now. However, I wonder why you want it moved from Sankranthi to Sankranti; you didn't explicitly say it, and it's good to explain every change in the title. Ucucha 10:08, 12 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Note: in all "On this day" entries till day, this article is listed as Makar Sankranti. Sankranti ([2]) is a Sanskrit word, Sankranthi is south Indian variation. "t" is pronounced as "th" in South India, thus in Andhra, Karnataka it is called Sankranthi. Similarly Ganapati is called Ganapathi in the South. --Redtigerxyz Talk 12:32, 12 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the explanation. Will you create a disambiguation page at Sankranthi or Sankranti after the move is carried out? (By the way, thanks for your message, but it is unnecessary, as I'll be watching any discussion I contributed to.) Ucucha 12:35, 12 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Till an article on Sanskriti (the concept) or list of Sanskritis is not formed, a disambig is not necessary. Let a redirect remain. Also, most people may not know Sankranti refers to the astrological event, they may know it refers to the festival. Makar Sankranti is also referred as Sankranthi, though Makar Sanskranti is also used [3]. --Redtigerxyz Talk 12:47, 12 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
OK, the page has been moved. Closing the RM now. Ucucha 12:53, 12 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Sanskrit words

Since this article is in English, please desist from using Sanskrit words as far as possible, as they may be difficult to understand for the reader.

For example, 

It was on this day that Bhagirath finally did tarpan with the Ganges water for his 
unfortunate ancestors and thereby liberated them from the curse.

What is the meaning of the word 'Tarpan'?

Please replace them with English equivalents or descriptions.

--Myaoon (talk) 23:27, 21 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

A simple link would do it. Tarpan means offering water to the gods, or God, (although milk is also used). The Sanskrit root apparently is trup (त्रुप्) meaning "to hurt". There are a variety of forms. Pitru tarpan is an offering of water to ensure blessings on deceased ancestors’ souls (pitar). Compare this with the washing of ashes in the Bhagiratha story, Bhagiratha#Establishment of the river, where Sagara's sixty thousand sons were blessed by the Ganges and ascended to heaven, see as well Vedic rituals after death. Interestingly enough, tarpan is also the name of a type of wild horse. According to the OED (1st ed.) a tarpan is a greyish wild horse that was formerly common in eastern Europe and western Asia, extinct by 1919 [Equus caballus gomelini.] Etymologically from Kyrgyz. --Bejnar (talk) 18:46, 8 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

bhagirath story

deleted this part of the story. No relevance to the main article. may be more relevant to the bhagiratha article. 

There is another spiritually symbolic aspect of this story. The 60,000 cursed son of Maharaj Sagar
represent our thoughts, who become dull & dead because of uncultured & blind desire. Redemption of
such people is only by the waters of Gangaji, brought down ‘to’ & later ‘from’ the Himalayas with
great tapasya. This represents dedicated hard work to get the redeeming Brahma-Vidya, which alone
enlightens, enthuses & enlivens the life of anyone.

--Myaoon (talk) 23:57, 21 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Makar Sankranti in Nepal

Makar Sankranti in Nepal is celebrated as "Magha Sakrati" which is the first day of the month "Magh" according to BS calendar —Preceding unsigned comment added by 182.72.150.46 (talk) 05:50, 17 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Mayans celabrated

Sankranti is celebrated since the last 6,000 years, as archeological findings in Latin America prove that the Mayans celabrated something similar to Sankranthi with Pongal, Pala kayalu, as some kind of spring festival.

Sez who? The Maya maize god‎ ain't 6,000 years old, Pongal is Tamil and Pala kayalu leads nowhere. --Pawyilee (talk) 08:52, 27 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Makar Sankrati is not equivalent of Thai Ponggal.

Thai Ponggal is truely a different celebration by Tamils(not only Tamil Hindus)based on their inscription and record in ancient and medieval Tamil literature.Thai ponggal must not be combined or a wrong perception created that Thai Ponggal is Tamil name for Makar Sankrati.Makar Sankrati also cannot be compared to harvest festival celebrated by Southeast Asia civilisation as Thai Ponggal is more relevant to be labelled as ancestor of their harvest festival as Hindu Cultural expansion were mostly done by Tamils.(Pallava,Cholas and pandians).It is also noted that people of Thailand celebrate their new year on same day as Tamils.--Rajendra Prasath Arumon (talk) 11:40, 12 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Title change

It is Makara Sanskranthi, not Makar (that is Hindi and other derived langs.). can someone please change the title and corresponding words? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.194.67.10 (talk) 21:28, 7 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Title still hasn't changed, can someone please change it? here's the corresponding wiki page on makara: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Makara_(Hindu_mythology)

you can see the name is spelled properly here. 99.120.240.17 (talk) 02:58, 25 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

No. The festival name "Makar Sankranti" is spelled a variety of ways. The current title is used in numerous reliable sources, such as the BBC and The Times of India, and appears to be the majority spelling. --Bejnar (talk) 20:19, 15 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not sure if you can read Devanagari but it is spelled Makara. The BBC as well as most western new sources are most likely using the Hindi term instead of the original/pan-Indian term of Makara. If you bothered to go to the Wiki page on MAKARA itself it shows in clear terms that in fact it is Makara and not Makar.
when Wiki's own page contradicts this statement, how can it be denied? either the wiki page on makara is also wrong or this page is wrong,right? i can assure you that it is in fact makara. sanskrutam endings rarely end in consonants. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.120.240.17 (talk) 06:37, 8 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Believe it or not, title usage on the Wikipedia is not governed by strict transliteration of non-English terms. Article titles are based on how reliable English-language sources refer to the article's subject. The BBC and The Times of India are good indicators of how reliable English-language sources refer to the article's subject. When reliable sources generally agree on the usage, it really does not matter what other related Wikipedia articles might be entitled, nor what the formal source term may have been. --Bejnar (talk) 18:08, 8 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

so the wiki pages have nothing to do w/ right vs. wrong? just what is in common use (which may be wrong) in western media? which may have a certain bias??? that is ridiculous and inaccurate!! at least also include that makara is the original word and makar is a variant used in the northern Indo-Aryan derivatives or something. this is so wrong. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.120.240.17 (talk) 19:57, 8 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Can we then add an descriptor ascribing region of origin as well as variations? Differentiating b/w original and derivative version? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.120.240.17 (talk) 01:29, 1 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Only if it is encyclopedic and backed up by citations to reliable secondary sources. Otherwise it is not really pertinent in an encyclopedia. Where such sourced information is available, such discussions are usually placed in their own "Name" or "Etymology" section within the article. --Bejnar (talk) 21:55, 12 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

-how can the very names and origin of the word not be relevant in an encyclopedia? that is mind boggling to me. well anyway you can see wiki's own page on makara for the citation. you can also see here: http://dsalsrv02.uchicago.edu/cgi-bin/romadict.pl?query=makara&display=simple&table=macdonell a dictionary on sanskrit. 207.68.250.79 (talk) 16:10, 9 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with the name change on the title. As we need to base on the Oldest Language (Samskrutam), there is no such word 'Makar', it is 'Makara'. As you mentioned that BBC is the trusted source, our vedic are much more trusted sources as, BBC or TOI doesn't make any research on these things. Please please refer to our vedic history and change the title. As the name had different varients in different languages, Sanskrit is the mother of all languages and this name 'Makar' will be placed against Hindi. As someone mentioned that most people searched for 'Makar' instead of 'Makara', that doesn't make sense to bias for it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 182.19.66.187 (talk) 14:19, 2 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Original research vs. providing citations

At 09:57 (UCT) on 16 January 2013 IP editor 117.197.54.32 tagged this article as containing original research. The high volume of IP editors and others who leave no citation trails behind them suggests that much of the content is from their own experiences; however, in the search for citations I have found that almost everything I looked at is supportable by reliable sources. So if you think a statement is dubious, please tag it with the Citation needed template. If you are editing using a reliable source, please provide a citation. If you are editing without a reliable source, please stop. See WP:Verifiability. --Bejnar (talk) 05:29, 18 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Makara sankranti vs winter solstice

Winter solstice falls around sometime in Dec 21-22nd. According to modern calendar, makara sankranti should be over in December 21-22 every year.

The confusion comes from a different source: although the day starts getting longer after 21-22nd Dec, the sun continues to rise late. But around Jan 14-15, sun will start start getting up early. However, day has already become 45 min longer. There is a difference between the astrological calendar and modern astronomical observations (corrected calendars are available but not widely used)chami 03:58, 14 January 2017 (UTC)

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