Talk:Russo-Ukrainian War

See also

I suggest to move navboxes "Ukrainian Crisis" and "Annexation of Crimea" into the "See also" section, because they are very far away down, but by common sense they are a "Must See Also" Staszek Lem (talk)

Some changes to the lead

I'd like to make a few changes to the lead, which editors may revert and discuss here if they feel that necessary.

I think that the second sentence should be split in two. The first sentence should mention the removal of Yanukovych in a clause, so that readers understand that the seizure of Crimea by Russian soldiers followed this event. I think that everyone, whether they support, oppose, or are neutral about Yanukovych's fall and Russia's response, can agree that this event precipitated the response, and readers would want to know.

The second sentence should mention in a clause that the result of the disputed referendum was for Crimea to join the Russian Federation. There are a number of reasons for this, but most importantly the result of the referendum is at least as important as the "disputed" descriptor characterizing it. Right now, when I read the paragraph, it is genuinely unclear what the referendum's result was.

Lastly, I think that the clause in the second paragraph, "According to a former Pentagon strategy adviser..." should be removed. The adviser is Phillip Karber, and while I have no objection to his claims being repeated in the body of the article, I don't think they carry enough weight to merit being in the lead. The surrounding material sourced to OSCE monitors paints the same picture and is more credible.

Any input appreciated. -Darouet (talk) 15:16, 31 August 2016 (UTC)

1. There is no connection between the removal of Yanukovich and Russian military intervention. Ukraine domestic political affairs can not serve a reason for Russia to invade its territory. Russia only used it as excuse, but it's a different story. 2. The results of the referendum are not important, since it was illegal. Therefor the word "illegal" is better than "disputed". 37.233.63.200 (talk) 13:00, 27 October 2016 (UTC)

• The referendum is illegal from Ukrainian standpoint, which is irrelevant to our, Crimeans', decision to leave Ukraine and join Russia. We, the people of Crimea, made our decision the same way as people of the US made a couple of centuries ago. Our decision was provoked by illegal coup in Kiev. 185.7.100.98 (talk) 09:53, 7 November 2016 (UTC)
  • It's not important what people of Crimea think. Also it's not important was there a coup in Kiev or wasn't. What is important is that Russian Federation invaded Ukrainian territory.212.90.182.118 (talk) 20:09, 7 December 2016 (UTC)

We, the people - very funny in this contest. Xx236 (talk) 07:15, 22 December 2016 (UTC)

Possible copyright violation (see 310 new patriotic slogans by North Korea (BBC))—Pietadè (talk) 11:55, 22 December 2016 (UTC)

@Pietade: Do you have the right article? Results per Earwig's Copyvio are as such. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 21:51, 22 December 2016 (UTC)

Apparently not...—Pietadè (talk) 22:16, 22 December 2016 (UTC)

New article

Someone has created an article called Temporarily occupied and uncontrolled territories of Ukraine (2014-present). I think it probably needs cleaning up.-- Toddy1 (talk) 15:00, 26 December 2016 (UTC)

Invasion

The article should be called the Russian invasion of Ukraine. (2A00:23C4:638C:4500:6051:389F:3949:8E32 (talk) 17:23, 2 January 2017 (UTC))

Can you find evidence that that is what it is called in English-language publications?-- Toddy1 (talk) 19:00, 2 January 2017 (UTC)

Yes: http://www.forbes.com/sites/paulroderickgregory/2016/11/20/international-criminal-court-russias-invasion-of-ukraine-is-a-crime-not-a-civil-war/#51c820f37fec (2A00:23C4:638C:4500:6051:389F:3949:8E32 (talk) 21:14, 2 January 2017 (UTC))

Validity of this article

Does this article satisfy all Wikipedia standards, especially from the POV and weasel-words aspect? Why isn't there a Russian-language version? Wildespace (talk) 13:41, 21 January 2017 (UTC)