Talk:Islamic Republic of Iran Air Force

Poor History of IRIAF combat during Iran-Iraq war with Iraq, US and others

The article which is locked for editing by "normal" public does not mention any worthy information of IRIAF fights or its significance during the Saddam onslaught and overall the depiction is of a negative nature. Various sources exist on the net both in persian and in english that would explain the IRIAF role during the conflict including the IRIAF being capable to stop Iraqi advances at the beginning of the war by conducting operations Kaman99, Red Alert, and Alborz. Even video interviews of the pilots are on the net and their published stories are ingored, instead the "locked article" has sufficed to say that 60 Iranain planes were shot down in just one operation which does not give the name of without giving a source even a weak one. The article does not mention sources for any IRIAF deficiencies and shortcomings or depends entirely on western sources of guestimation since western sources can not be relied due to them having no access to the reality on the ground. It does not mention that IRIAF was upagainst several forces at once supporting directly or indirectly Saddam like Russia and Soviet pilots, US navy, Saudi arabia and others. While the article is quick to give "estimates" of lowest possible inventory and playing aside western opinion of showing IRIAF as a weak force and giving "accurate" numbers of planes lost it does not give any data whatsoever of the number of planes Iran has shot down not even estimates. Over all the article is biased to american point of view. I am sorry but that is the fact. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 119.154.37.181 (talk) 16:18, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

I have called the template {{Iranian Air Force}} for simplicity's sake, and done the same for the related articles. "History of the Islamic Republic of Iran Air Force" and "Islamic Republic of Iran Air Force warrant officer rank insignia" would be excessively long article titles. The main article should stay where it is though, and we should probably move Iranian Army to Islamic Republic of Iran Army or Islamic Republic of Iran Ground Forces, whichever better reflects the native Persian name. (Which is? --- good question! Can anybody find it? Google searches aren't turning much up). --Jpbrenna 3 July 2005 20:44 (UTC)

Planes belonging to IRGC AF

Embraer EMB 312 Tucano that is listed here as trainers are trainers for the IRGC AF and the Chinese movie star F7s also belong to IRGC AF. I have no quotation. I leave it to you guys to make the changes if you want. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Magician 60 (talk • contribs) 04:27, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Foundation of IIAF

The iranian air force was founded in the 1920ties.

They had Junkers F13 - modified with guns.

Also before WW2 they had Hawker Fury and many other different planes in their air force. So I think this has to be corrected.

More Work

If anyone has the time to lengthen this check out ACIG.org and the works by Tom Cooper Pickle 04:12, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

History?

It says there's a main article for history, but at a quick glance, the history section on this page seems more detailed than what I see in the history article itself.BabyNuke 17:52, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

Not neutral

Written from an Iranian POV. Describes terrotorial gains in war as "liberation". Description of Iran's airforce in Iran-Iraq conflict is boastful. Operational capabilites of current air foils in use by Iran is exagerrated.

See http://home.att.net/~jbaugher1/f14_6.html for instance (but not limited) to an account of how poorly the iranian air force was maintained during the war. F-14s were being used as RADAR platforms, not as fighting machines -- this is widely claimed in many sources.

• This isn't entirely true. Primarily F-14 were used in Radar picket and AEW roles, there are several reports of IRIAF Tomcats intercepting engaging Iraqi aircraft. I have some hard copy files that reference this. I'll post the references when I find them. (Bobbo9000 03:28, 27 August 2007 (UTC)Bobbo9000)

Re: Not neutral

The areas were indeed liberated, since they had prior to that been invaded by Iraq. Iranians land, invaded and occupied by Iraq got liberated by Iran. As you see there was not territorial gains. You should also look abit more closely on that link you posted, it says all kinds of different things, nothing conclusive.

Re: Not neutral

According to US sources the iranian F-14 pilot Major Jalal Zandi is the pilot with the most kills with a F14. They say that he made 9 kills. Iranian sources claim 12 kills. So - by only taking this example - how this single pilot made all this kills with his F-14 if his plane was so poorly maintained and only used as a RADAR platform? Its a fact that the iranian air force was highly succesful in Iran-Iraq-War. Even when they were badly outnumbered they had the air superiority over key areas. The IRIAF-pilots were trained in the USA with superior tactics before the revolution - so thats the reason why they could fight so effectively against the arabs with their poor soviet training.

Sukhoi Su-27/30

As of yet, there has been nothing concrete about the IRIAF acquiring any Su-27/30 at all. There has been a bit of speculation about this, but still nothing confirmed from either the manufacturer or the IRIAF. I don't believe there should any reference to the Su-27s even if they're for evaluation purposes as these reports are all hearsay. The IRIAF is interested in these aircraft, but that shouldn't mean instant inclusion into this artile.

If someone has something concrete, could they post any links here or reference them appropriately? Also, please make sure the articles are accurate and not conjecture (A recent addition to the Su-30 page had a link to a conservative Israeli newspaper website claiming deal for 250+ Su-30s, however this story has recently been proven false.) (Bobbo9000 03:25, 27 August 2007 (UTC)Bobbo9000)

Let's not use Debaka file as a source. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Magician 60 (talk • contribs) 17:19, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Saab Safari

The article for the Safari states it's a swedish designed plane, and Saab is a swedish company... even if the planes were assembled elsewhere country of origin should still read as sweden. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.114.96.45 (talk) 22:26, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Vandalism

There is too much vandalism around on this artickle, specially by unregistered users to the inventory list. So I will be reverting all these vandalism edits every time. The Honorable Kermanshahi (talk) 19:40, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

As will I. A large part of the vandalism is from this user, as you can see.—DMCer™ 15:15, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Not vandalism per se, but significant levels of disruption. I've just semi-protected it. --Rlandmann (talk) 01:17, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, it was much-needed.—DMCer™ 08:52, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Remove List of Iranian Air Force aircraft.

I don't think this article is necessary because there already is the a aircraft inventory table in the article Iranian Air Force and most of this is out of date. In the Islamic Republic of Iran Air Force infobox we can place Islamic Republic of Iran Air Force#Aircraft inventory --EZ1234 (talk) 04:00, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

See comment left on that talk page. --Rlandmann (talk) 06:57, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

J-10s??

Why would China be selling the IRIAF the J-10 so the IRIAF could have Russian AL-31FNs installed?? This makes no sense. This would mean the Chinese would be losing sales to a competitor on one of their own military sales. (192.43.227.18 (talk) 06:58, 30 June 2008 (UTC))

Removal of "Alleged Purchases"

wats the point of having that section if u really dont know if they have them?? i say remove it. its like saying Mexico would buy 50 Su-27's but without any proof or evidence.--Homan05 —Preceding undated comment was added at 22:30, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Because Reliable Sources have reported their purchase. We at Wikipedia have no way of assessing that claim one way or the other, so we simply report what was said and who said it.

If a Reliable Source stated that Mexico had bought 50 Su-27s, we would report that as well. If another Reliable Source specifically said that it wasn't the case, we would report what both sources said and leave the reader to make up their own mind. You might want to read the Verifiability policy. --Rlandmann (talk) 23:28, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

—Preceding unsigned comment added by Nato1int (talk • contribs) 13:36, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

I agree, reliable sources should be used, however Debaka and the Jerusalem Post haven't exactly proven themselves as reliable sources in defense matters concerning the IRIAF. At least the sources commenting on the proposed Su-27 sales (including Air Internaltional and Air Forces Monthly) had knowledge of the deal, even if the exact numbers weren't confirmed. Personally, I say nix it, especially as talk of the J-10 sale has nearly all been rumored or speculative. (Bobbo9000 (talk) 06:18, 7 February 2009 (UTC))

All these "Alleged purchases" should be removed since they never even negociated or considered such deal. We had at one time reliable sources that Brasil bought Rafale jets... until they announced they never signed deal. Unless Iranians or manufacturer mention such purchase or negotiations this could be include, but not a third party speculation newspaper. --SojerPL (talk) 20:57, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

Publication on Russian sales to Iran

Here's an interesting publication on Russian arms sales to Iran during 2000-2008: [1] One thing I noted was the item "30 Su-24MK Frontal Bomber Mid-Life Repair and Upgrade." According to our article Iran has only 24 Su-24 planes. What do you think of this new info? Offliner (talk) 13:37, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

Shameful depiction of IRIAF in favor of USA and Saddam

This article is another example of how wikipedia is used for propaganda purposes to suit Western interests. The article is locked so that western POV remains as authoritative. there is no mention of US support for Iraqis specially US airforce which was advising Saddam at the time against Iran as has been investigated manytimes and most recently in the documentary: Saddam Hussain, the trial you will never see". France USA, Russia Germany and England and Saudi were all helping Saddam.

Furthermore, in the article it is written :"The strikes were met by fierce defensive tactics by the Iraqi forces, with as many as 60 Iranian aircraft shot down. Intense Iranian activity inside Iraqi airspace during the first week of the war proved unsuccessful. The IRIAF paid a heavy price, losing dozens of its best pilots and aircraft in the period between September and December 1980." For this info not a shred of citation is provided as the info coming out of the gut feeling of Americans and their agent Saddam. If you have it in you put up some credible evidence. Photos of the 60 aircrafts shot down and reported by news agencies in Iraq or West at the time. You liars. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.243.204.81 (talk) 02:13, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

This article is only semi-protected, so that most registered users can edit it. If you want, you can register and quite easily become autoconfirmed, so that you can edit this article. Also, if you don't want to do that, you can request change to this page using {{editsemiprotected}} template. Svick (talk) 10:29, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

Anti Iran, pro West? What a load of shit. (118.210.237.220 (talk) 04:06, 24 November 2012 (UTC))

Status of the Il-76 AEW

Today news has came out of Iran that the only Operational Il-76 AEW collided with a Trainer during the preparation for a parade and is completely destroyed. --Thegunkid, also the AWAC system it had on-board was replaced with a Iranian made system and was fully operational at the time of the Crash. (talk) 15:59, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

Haaretz's article

this site: [Haaretz] has an article from the Israeli newspaper Haaretz about this air force.Agre22 (talk) 13:20, 28 September 2009 (UTC)agre22

Karrar

Does anyone have any information on Iran's first unmanned bomber called the Karrar (or striker) and can add it to the chart? See Forbes [2]. EdEColbert^{Let me know} 09:10, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

Doesnt appear to be much information which is probably why it and all of the other Iranian UAVs have not been listed. MilborneOne (talk) 10:27, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from Ukiocsmo, 4 November 2010

{{edit semi-protected}}

Iranian Navy received 6 RH-53Ds mine sweepers that were acquired before the Iranian Revolution. Iran also gained four to five more RH-53s during Operation Eagle Claw. Islamic Republic of Iran Navy Aviation has 2 RH-53Ds in use as of January 2010.

Ukiocsmo (talk) 14:56, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

Do you have a reliable source to verify this? Feel free to restore the edit semi-protected tag when you have this source. Hope this helps. Set Sail For The Seven Seas 332° 6' 30" NET 22:08, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

Iran-Iraq War

In the third para, "Mosul Airbae" should be corrected to "Mosul Airbase", which is obviously what is meant/ 75.252.160.194 (talk) 02:10, 4 October 2011 (UTC)

Iran-Iraq War

In the third para, "Mosul Airbae" should be corrected to "Mosul Airbase", which is obviously what is meant/ 75.252.160.194 (talk) 02:10, 4 October 2011 (UTC)

Nuclear slander in article against IRIAF.

At the end of the current article this false line is present:

"Air attack to Osirak power plant, recognized as the first air attack to a nuclear facility."

However, everybody knows the iraqi Osirak-Opera raid was done by zionist F-15 and F-16 warplanes, not by the peaceful Iran. Islamic Iran never attacked anybody in its history, it was always attacked by others! 82.131.210.163 (talk) 12:03, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

This is not slander or untrue. You assume, without any research that the one attack on the site was the only attack. It was not, Iran hit a reactor in 30 September 1980.

Indeed, but this (Operation Scorch Sword is listed directly above. As Iran had no involvement in the Israeli operation, there is no justification for accrediting the Iranian airforce. I am therefore removing Operation Opera from the list. As an aside, can people please read up on Wiki guidelines for talk pages please? It makes everybody's life and job easier, thanks. Mongoletsi (talk) 11:45, 14 April 2013 (UTC)

However it is not the first air strike on a nuclear facility. there were earlier strikes on German targets but the one I know is enough. April 1945- an American strike on the Rikken Institute near Tokyo. It housed the Ni-Go Project and enrichment facilities. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Godanov (talk • contribs) 18:31, 15 January 2012 (UTC)

It may not be untrue, but the link points to the ISRAELI attack known as Operation Babylon or Opera. So, i suggest that the editors remove the link and possibly write some of the details, such as date, result etc. Also, it is definetly not the first attack on a nuclear facility as there are exampels of ww2 strikes. Including the above mentioned Riken Institute above. here is a link stating this within wiki. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RIKEN 122.106.15.149 (talk) 03:37, 7 March 2012 (UTC)

وضعیت نیروی هوایی ایران در پس از جنگ

نیروی هوایی ایران در زمان خود نیروی هوایی مقتدری بود و بیش از 800 فروند هواپیما و جنگنده را دارا بود. در طول جنگ ایران 260 فروند از جنگنده های خود را از دست دادو نیروی هوایی عراق 400 فروند از جنگنده های خود را از دست داد به خصوص میگ های خود را از دست داد بعد از این رویداد ایران نیروی هوایی با قدرت 550 فروندی را داشت و بعد با کمک روسیه و چین این رقم را به 650 فروندی تبدیل کرد که 400 فروند آن ها جنگنده بودند.هواپیما های فروخته شده با تعداد: ایلوشین-76 15 فروند/ شیانگ اف-6 18 فروند/ سوخو-27 20 فروند/ سوخو-30 15 فروند. در این معادلات جنگنده های پناهنده عراقی نیز دخالت دارد.2.176.183.35 (talk) 16:08, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

The su25

Frogfoots are not on the chart. One attacked a drone a few weeks ago. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.42.97.231 (talk) 22:16, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

Iraqi Sukhoi 22

According to Combat Aircraft Monthly, January 2014 edition: "12 Su-22s should be restored to FMC condition [...] The IRIAF has meanwhile started a Su-22 transition course for existing F-7 and Su-24 pilots" It further adds: "According to IRIAF contracts, the IRGCASF should restore 12 Su-22s by the end of 2015, allowing the re-forming of the 71st TFS at TFB.7. The second and third groups of Su-22s (25 aircraft in total) will be ready by 2020. Delivery of the first restored Su- 22UM4K is scheduled for January 2014 and a second (a Su-22M4K) in March."— Preceding unsigned comment added by Be1981 (talk • contribs) 17:00, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

Report on "War is Boring"-Blog about the number of Sukhoi 22 planned for the IRIAF

https://medium.com/war-is-boring/this-is-how-iran-maintains-its-bizarre-air-force-4a26263947caBe1981 (talk) 12:56, 8 September 2014 (UTC)Be1981

Y-12

In the list of "aircraft flown" Y-12 should be corrected to Harbin_Y-12. Laor (talk) 18:46, 24 December 2014 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 17 August 2016

States IRIAF has 3 C-130's, Satellite images show clearly at least 4 at an Iranian Airbase (here: 35.683618, 51.313538).

Wafflecakes999 (talk) 10:19, 17 August 2016 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Topher385 (talk) 21:52, 17 August 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 26 November 2016

I have this source to add about MiG-29 in IRIAF : https://sputniknews.com/military/201501201017120106/ According to it, there are at least 40 of these planes in IRIAF. 92.90.75.192 (talk) 16:50, 26 November 2016 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. st170e^talk 18:29, 26 November 2016 (UTC)

C-130 numbers

The number mentioned in the article (cited from Flight Global) is very low. I have observed much more flying serial numbers personally (documented in taken photos). This page estimates the number to be 19 (http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/iran/airforce-equipment.htm). I don't suggest 19 to be true, but 3 is not either. Sarmadys (talk) 16:23, 25 June 2017 (UTC)