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Proposed re-ordering

I only came to this article for the first time yesterday, and don't want to 'step on anyone's toes', however I am suggesting putting all inquests, official enquiries, legal reviews into chronological order (after the present description of the events and victims sections). At present the two inquests are tucked into 'Charges against officials', at the tail of the article, which appears to me to be incorrect factually and in terms of importance. I also propose to rename "Charges against officials" to "Criminal and civil cases". I also noticed that there is no section or text about the role of West Midlands Police, which is fairly important for understanding the whole legal story. Thoughts? Pincrete (talk) 16:06, 26 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I've also copied ALL the Taylor report section to Taylor Report, as a prelude to 'paring' down the section on this article to its essentials. Pincrete (talk) 17:46, 26 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I have restored the section about the effect the disaster had on stadium design in the UK. It is definately on topic as it is the biggest single consequence of the disaster. Eckerslike (talk) 18:18, 26 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Eckerslike, at present this article is at least double the max. recommended length, the Taylor Report article (until today), had nothing about the inquiry or report or effects of the report. Why do we have an article about the report if we put all the content here?
At the same time, the two coroner's inquests and IPCC inquiry are 'tucked away' at the bottom in completely inapt sections, and there is no mention of the West Midlands Police's involvement anywhere. Would you at least agree that the 'changes to stadium design' should be heavily pruned with the details on the 'report' article? Pincrete (talk) 19:00, 26 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I would agree with pruning. I have taken out the middle paragraph and a sentence that detailed a peculiar and unnessary detail about Berwick Rangers. I agree that the article and its lead in particular is too long. There seems to be excessive quoting directly from the Taylor report where paraphrasing would surfice. Another section that needs serious attention is the excessive attention payed to every contraversy surrounding the disaster. Eckerslike (talk) 19:44, 26 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]


(nb edit conflict) I took the precaution of copying ALL the report material onto that article. I was thinking of reducing the report content here to Taylor's conclusions, paraphrased rather than the to-and-fro of his detailed arguments/response to police evidence. Pincrete (talk) 20:09, 26 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I've sandboxed the Taylor Report section of this article here, anybody is welcome to assist in pruning it, or commenting on my pruning so far. Intention is, as above to reduce to Taylor's principal conclusions and criticisms. Pincrete (talk) 09:34, 1 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
As you are thinking about restructuring the article. A problem I have always had with the article, is that the reference to the Taylor Report is buried, yet there are several short form references to it, both before and after that buried reference. May be it is time to extract the main reference from the rest and then always use the short form referencing to refer to it. May be even to use the {{sfn}} or {{harvnb}} templates to form a link. Keith D (talk) 20:03, 26 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Errrrrrr don't know how to do that! Pincrete (talk) 20:09, 26 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Minor technicality

I notice that each coroner's 'inquest', was actually technically 'inquests' (ie covering each of many deaths), sources seem to alternate between singular and plural and IMO it would be confusing to refer to each in plural. Pincrete (talk) 21:54, 26 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Semi-protected edit request on 30 June 2017

I wish to edit the site so that I can include the latest charges brought by the CPS. 109.148.252.196 (talk) 10:19, 30 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Note, this is already in the article (in Criminal prosecutions), and mentioned in the lead: On 28 June 2017, it was announced that six people were to be charged with offences in relation to the disaster. Former Chief Superintendent David Duckenfield, in charge of the match, faces 95 counts of manslaughter by gross negligence. He faces no charge in respect of the death of Tony Bland, who died four years after the disaster. Former Chief Inspector Sir Norman Bettinson faces four counts of misconduct in public office. Former Sheffield Wednesday F.C. Club Secretary Graham Mackrell faces a charge of breaching the Safety at Sports Ground Act 1975. Solicitor Peter Metcalf, former Chief Superintendent Donald Denton and former Detective Chief Inspector Alan Foster were all charged with perverting the course of justice. ' Pincrete (talk) 11:27, 30 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Semi-protected edit request on 5 July 2017

Please change:

"Of those who died, 78 were aged 30 or younger. 38 of the victims were children or teenagers, and all but three of them were aged under 50.[71]"

To: "Of those who died, 78 were aged 30 or younger. 38 of the victims were children or teenagers, and all but three of the victims were aged under 50.[71]"

Or some such.

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