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can you be a member of both orders?

Someone be a member of both is he is a catholic and a noble? Arthurian Legend (talk) 22:20, 16 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Jean, Grand Duke of Luxembourg is a member of both. J S Ayer (talk) 02:30, 17 April 2008 (UTC) So, I see, is Albert II, King of the Belgians. J S Ayer (talk) 02:59, 30 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

OPHIR-MAHARLIKA ISLES OF GOLD: Jason supposedly having brought the Fleece back so to claim his throne may not be accurate, evident that he had to bulls, etc., etc., etc., as a test of his worth. He may not have found the fleece in Colchis and planned a second voyage to Asia, a place referred to by the Jews as Ophir-the isles off Gold. That place in Asia is in the Philippines. Magellan's secret agenda from King Philip-II of Spain was to land on the spot of the resting place of the fleece in an island, as by historical translations passed down from centuries way back to Philip-III, known as Philip the good of Burgundy. The latter who established the Order of the Golden Fleece. Skeletal remains were found in this said Island as this islands did once lived here protecting the fleece with the gorgon Medusa. As this island originated the 2nd root race of the bicameral man, whereby they spreaded out to africa, egypt and in europe as the latter was connected by lands, it was only in Egypt where suddenly "Adam" and/or technology began sprouting out. This is why am looking up on the fleece as have knowledge of its exact resting place?

HRH. ASHRF. MAULANA PADUKA AHMAD CARPENTER YU TIAMCO ARPA-V Email: padukashah@minister.com — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.100.251.189 (talk) 21:49, 5 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Apparent doublet

The list of knights of the Austrian order includes both "Graf Czernin v. Chudenitz" and "Franz, Count of Czernin of Chudenitz." These two appear to be the same man. Does anyone know otherwise? J S Ayer (talk) 00:16, 3 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Probably not same man see de:Liste der Ritter des Ordens vom Goldenen Vlies, there are listed five Czernins.--Yopie (talk) 00:39, 3 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, I had already consulted the English list. Each says that only one man by that title is now a member, though listing former holders in former centuries. This makes it seem even more likely that we have an accidental doublet. J S Ayer (talk) 01:34, 4 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

King Amadeo

Did King Amadeo makes awards of the Golden Fleece during his brief tenure as King of Spain (1870-1873)? Or was Alfonso XII considered to be head of the order during this time period? john k (talk) 03:31, 5 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, Amadeo awarded Golden Fleece, probably illegally. See Burkes World Orders of Knighthood and Merit for more, or directly [1].--Yopie (talk) 18:50, 5 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Should be mentioned in the article, no? john k (talk) 19:54, 5 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Chapel Hill honor society

The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill reportedly has an honor society called the Order of the Golden Fleece. I set up a link to that at the top of the page, replacing a red link, and this link has twice been removed. My thought is that someone trying to find out about that organization will likely wind up at this page, and it is simply courteous to provide a link to it. What do others think? J S Ayer (talk) 02:53, 27 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

inconsistency

There are inconsistency in the article List of Knights of the Golden Fleece: Francisco de Borja Bazán de Silva, 1th Marquis of Santa Cruz 1th is not the truth. It may be 1st or it may be 4th, 5th ... It is possible that the number is wrong, or the “th” is wrong. I do not know what of that is wrong or true. Please check it. --Diwas (talk) 13:18, 21 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Inducted 1877. The tenth Marquis of Santa Cruz was made a member of the order in 1821, and the thirteenth in 1927, so this must be the eleventh or twelfth. The same error occurs in the German list, and the other languages do not extend so far. J S Ayer (talk) 18:49, 21 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

RE: citation needed RE: Wellington

far too many "citation needed" comments appearing all across wikipedia these days, this one seems frivolous

Spanish Order In 1812 the acting government of Spain illegally[citation needed] awarded the order

it was obviously illegal on two grounds as explained elsewhere in the article,

1. the sovereign is the only one who can appoint members to the order - the government cannot do so.

2. the order is closed to heretics - Wellington, as a protestant, could not be appointed to the order. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.171.214.153 (talk) 19:38, 21 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

French Order?

Was there not a French OotGF in prerevelutionary France? It is mentioned in one or another of the Hornblower novels. Paul, in Saudi (talk) 04:43, 30 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

No, there was not. I remember the old Comte de Graçay remarking that he was a Chevalier of the Holy Spirit; are you thinking of this? J S Ayer (talk) 02:03, 1 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Guillaume Machaut was dead, no?

Guillaume Machaut was dead by the 15th century. I think what is meant is Pierre Michault. Total guess. But definitely not Guillaume de Machaut. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.48.231.155 (talk) 04:13, 17 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

== Really! He was dead almost 60 years, and was not Burgundian.Beenhere (talk) 00:29, 22 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Order of the Three Golden Fleeces (1809-13)

Napoleonic gallantry award. Merging of the Spaniard and Austrian orders plus a new French branch, with Napoleon, rather unsurprisingly, as Great Master. Never fully developed.

"http://www.france-phaleristique.com/3toisonsor.htm" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.8.98.118 (talk) 10:59, 2 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

All right, I apologize. Napoleonic France, though, not pre-revolutionary. I still don't remember the Hornblower reference. J S Ayer (talk) 02:31, 3 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Don't apologize. I wasn't referring to the Hornblower reference. I was just mentioning in passing this little-known and short-lived Napoleonic decoration. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.8.98.118 (talk) 12:18, 3 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Prince Kubrat of Bulgaria

Someone has added Kubrat, Prince of Panagyurishte as a Knight in the Austrian order. Since he is a prominent surgeon is Spain, I suspect he is a member of the Spanish order. Can anyone supply a hard fact? J S Ayer (talk) 23:20, 28 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

This paper [2] lists him as a member. It seems to be specifically about the Habsburg/Austrian branch. Though it is interesting that his Wikipedia article does not make mention of this honour. Cheers. EricSerge (talk) 17:42, 29 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

That nails it. Thank you! J S Ayer (talk) 23:36, 29 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Andres, Prince of the Pindus

This name has been added to the list of members of the Austrian order, here and in the list of members. I searched Google for this name, and came up with only this Wikipedia listing. I searched for Prince Andres del Pindo, and came up with a website for the Duchy of Carniola, which describes itself as a micronation and seems to have eight members, claiming no eminence. This posting appears to me to be a hoax, and I intend to remove it tomorrow unless some documentation appears. J S Ayer (talk) 13:53, 29 February 2012 (UTC) All right, someone got it while I was still checking. Good. J S Ayer (talk) 14:21, 29 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Deletion of articles naming heirs to founts of honour

Several requests to delete articles entitled "Line of succession to the former throne of X" (e.g. Württemberg, Tuscany, Two Sicilies) have recently been proposed for deletion from Wikipedia by Pat Gallacher. Although Wikipedians from various projects are being notified of these requests for removal, I think those who monitor this page may also appreciate being notified. FactStraight (talk) 03:51, 16 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Removing dates of induction for current Austrian knights

I have not been able to find any verification for the date 1961 applied to several dozen living Austrian knights by User:Mr._D._E._Mophon on May 24, 2011. In one case, Archduke Georg, it is clearly wrong - since he wasn't even born until 1964. In several other cases it is unlikely considering the youth of the recipients in 1961 (e.g. the Prince of Liechtenstein and Mariano Hugo, Prince of Windisch-Graetz). I think that the possible source might be this webpage [3] - but here it says "depuis 1961" (since 1961). I have removed the dates. If dates are verifiable, they should be added with a citation.Noel S McFerran (talk) 16:17, 11 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Question on insignia

At the Spanish state dinnner at Buckingham Palace on July 12, 2017, King Felipe VI apparently was wearing the sovereign's necklace insignia of the Golden Fleece with the sash of the English Order of the Garter. Queen Elizabeth II, on the other hand, was wearing the dame's ribbon insignia of the Golden Fleece on her chest, attached to a red bow. Couldn't she have worn instead the collar with the Golden Fleece attached to it, or is the collar for male knights only ? Thanks for answering my question. 161.24.19.112 (talk) 17:29, 13 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]