User talk:BilCat

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219.122.170.236

219.122.170.236 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log) has been doing rapid-fire vandalism for several days at least. As the IP returns quickly under a new guise after blocking, I think Zzuuzz is just reverting to more easily keep an in on the IP. Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Rapid-fire vandalism apparently on proxies Cheers Jim1138 (talk) 08:42, 31 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I'm aware of the issue. Thanks. - BilCat (talk) 08:44, 31 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

You are reverting faster than I can! Jim1138 (talk) 08:48, 31 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Rollbacks, but Zzuuzz is even faster. - BilCat (talk) 08:49, 31 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Zzuuzz just blocked this IP. - BilCat (talk)

Hunley

Hi, Bil, I see you undid my edit to H. L. Hunley (submarine) in which I had added the word "the" to the various mentions of the ship's name in the article. It looks like the MOS article you referenced states that "the" should not be used in the lead sentence (unless part of the ship's actual name)— fair enough, and I was unaware of that. How do you feel about subsequent usage of "the", however? The vessel's name appears to consistently have "the" before it in a number of reliable published sources, including the most recent scientific investigation as to how it went down. I am thinking we should have "the" added to the ship's name everywhere except the first mention in the lead. You? KDS4444 ^(talk) [Note: This user has admitted participating in paid editing,— trust but verify.] 10:48, 31 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

You need to raise this on the article's talk page so other contributors can participate there. Thanks. - BilCat (talk) 16:54, 31 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Done. KDS4444 ^(talk) 17:56, 31 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Bennie

Hi BilCat. User:Picuslor, claims to be British, yet his command of the English language says otherwise. Roughly the same editing interests as Bennie, however I wouldn't have spotted him if it wasn't for this edit, where he restores some irrelevant gibberish first added Benniejets. Also, his spelling of "bad feith" here is exactly how Benniejets used to.

Whats your opinion? Antiochus the Great (talk) 17:40, 31 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Antiochus the Great: If I had any doubt (I didn't), his mostly unintelligible comment I just removed from here would have convinced me. Have you filed on his SPI page yet? - BilCat (talk) 17:57, 31 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Adamgerber80: What do you think? - BilCat (talk) 18:01, 31 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@NPguy: Also had similar observations about other users(User:AlfaRocket,User:Ivankazz) editing the Italian nuclear weapons program page. Same bad English, history of editing the some subset of the pages as Bennie and a strong pro Italy POV. Adamgerber80 (talk) 18:17, 31 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Link to Bennie's SPI page. Sario528 (talk) 18:38, 31 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The more I see of Bennie's comments and edit summaries, the more I revise my assessment of his age (physical or mental) downwards. I don't think it's not just a language barrier issue. - BilCat (talk) 20:30, 31 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I remember this case. Surprised that it's still happening. Their edit summaries and comments are... very similar. ♠Dinah♠ 🎤 20:35, 31 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The only difference between them really is the places of the commas. And I honestly don't think it is about language. I really think it is about age. ♠Dinah♠ 🎤 20:41, 31 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, he seems very young. That's not always an issue, but often can be. - BilCat (talk) 20:43, 31 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Of course sometimes the young ones can be rehabilitated into making useful contributions... - Ahunt (talk) 20:45, 31 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Yes true. I mean I should know right? I do know one case that involved this... However the young one ended up leaving to join the Wikia... ♠Dinah♠ 🎤 20:49, 31 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Even that is positive, as they may be back once they have gained some maturity. As long as they don't go and join ISIS. - Ahunt (talk) 21:08, 31 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Heh... ♠Dinah♠ 🎤 21:24, 31 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:WikiTiger

So i made this new page called WikiTiger And was wondering if you could look it over. I was told I could make a humor page and noticed there were no WikiTiger pages ♠Dinah♠ 🎤 23:24, 31 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

F-15E Image

Hey Bill just a heads up, the current image in the F-15E Strike Eagle article is flawed. Looks like someone had tweaked the image per this comment. For some reason it has been manipulated (gun port and antenna(s) are on the wrong side) - refueling receptacle belongs on the port side as seen here, here, & here. So the main image should be change to reflect the correct layout - FOX 52 (talk) 08:10, 1 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@FOX 52: Fine, I've reverted it back. But I don't think replacement image is really the best one out there. You really need to discuss main image changes on the article's talk page first, especially for high-traffic articles. - BilCat (talk) 10:27, 1 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Not my favorite either, but I'll look out for a better one - FOX 52 (talk) 15:06, 1 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Curtis Lazar

Can you please explain to me why the information I added to Curtis Lazar is inappropriate? When I looked at the article's edit history, the user who removed GoFlamesGo's edit stated "not appropriate for the intro", and I moved it to the Personal Life section.

Thank you! MarkGiordano5 (talk) 02:57, 3 September 2017 (UTC)MarkGiordano5 MarkGiordano5 (talk) 02:57, 3 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@MarkGiordano5: It's trivial, no matter where it is. Please use the article's talk page, and build a consensus for this information if you believe it's critical to the article. Thanks. - BilCat (talk) 03:02, 3 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Lol

I was looking through my watchlist and because I am so tired I thought: "who the fuck is that?" When I saw your name XD. On another account of an actual page before I go to bed how do i attract more editors to the Wikipedia:WikiTiger so that we receive more people who had the UserBox to their userpage? I feel as if my new page is missing something... ♠Dinah♠ 🎤 03:15, 3 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Lol. On WikiTiger, I really don't know, as I spend most of my non-article time at the talk pages of WP:AIR or WP:MILHIST. You might consider creating a WikiTiger welcome notice for new users, or an invitation for regular users who you think might fit that editing style. - BilCat (talk) 03:46, 3 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Alright thanks. I guess I should do that now since it looks like I'm not going to sleep -_-. I'm to stubborn apparently. I'll give you a little review of it when I am finished (geez almost made a pun out of that) ♠Dinah♠ 🎤 03:51, 3 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Talk:Pig in a poke#Ambiguous sentence

Hi,

You reverted my edit. Could you take a look at the article's talk? 85.193.199.86 (talk) 04:16, 3 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Coast Guard Star

		The Coast Guard Star
		I hereby award you the Coast Guard Star for your perpetual watchstanding against vandalism and other dumb-ass edits to U.S. Coast Guard related articles. For your efforts, I award you the Coast Guard Star. Additionally, your anti-vandalism efforts are hereby noted on many Department of Defense and Department of Homeland Security articles. You may proudly attach this award to your bulkhead and please accept a sincere Thank You for a job well done. Semper Paratus! Cuprum17 (talk) 19:03, 4 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks so much! It's always nice to be appreciated. - BilCat (talk) 19:42, 4 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Are you alright?

I mean just a bit of concern with this user that's bothering you; what happened anyway if you don't mind me asking? ♠Dinah♠ 🎤 11:39, 6 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, just a little peeved off about it, and sleep deprived. Thanks for asking. :) - BilCat (talk) 11:42, 6 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

No problem and sleep deprived preach to the choir(have no clue where that is from)! I haven't slept right since the dispute solving... (more like since I got a Wikipedia account) ♠Dinah♠ 🎤 11:52, 6 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I understand. You mean "preach to the choir"? It's a church reference. I can explain more if you want. - BilCat (talk) 15:34, 6 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Langley Air Force Base/Langley Field Move

I attempted to move the page as was stated in the talk page. If this is the improper format to move the page (which has 1 for an no opposition for a few months) can you please teach me the people way to move it or move it yourself? Thanks! Garuda28 (talk) 18:44, 6 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Garuda28: The new article already has an extensive history. An admin will have to make the move, probably with a history merge. - BilCat (talk) 18:47, 6 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

See Wikipedia:Requests for history merge. - BilCat (talk) 18:50, 6 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

As always thanks! I really appreciate the help. Garuda28 (talk) 19:03, 6 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Tracked listed at Redirects for discussion

An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Tracked. Since you had some involvement with the Tracked redirect, you might want to participate in the redirect discussion if you have not already done so. Steel1943 (talk) 20:14, 11 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Template:United States federal service academies Edit war

Hey BilCat, there's currently a user engaged in an edit war on Template:United States federal service academies, seeking to change the short descriptor for United States Military Academy at West Point to just West Point while ignoring a consensis against it. He claims that listing it as "Military Academy (West Point)" is original research, while it's just a short name in reality. Can you please weigh in on the topic on the talk page? He's also making the claim that I'm talking to myself, which I strongly protest, since I'm not on a private network. Thanks!Garuda28 (talk) 15:17, 13 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

You should probably raise the issue at WT:MILHIST. Don't revert him any more, as that will put you over 3RR. - BilCat (talk) 15:46, 13 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I need some more of your professional advice: if a user not only violates the 3RR, but also does it inspite of an active discussion on the topic do I have any methods of recourse? I really appreciate your guidance in this manner. Garuda28 (talk) 20:24, 13 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

(talk page stalker) If the user is clearly going against established consensus and has violated 3RR, you may want to consider bringing the issue to WP:ANI. Sario528 (talk) 20:33, 13 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Sario528: Thanks, Sario, that's what I'd advise also.

@Garuda28: For edit warring, WP:AN3 is more appropriate than ANI. But beware the boomerang, even if you've only made 3 reverts, as you may get blocked also if the reviewing admin feels it's warranted. Edit warring is a tricky thing, and it's best to avoid it except in clear cases of vandalism, which this is not. - BilCat (talk) 23:27, 13 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Sario528:@Garuda28: thanks, I really appreciate your guidance on this topic, and as the newer guy I appreciate being able to reach out to experienced users for advice. I posted at WP:MILHIST and would appreciate if you guys would be willing to give your professional opinions on the matter.Garuda28 (talk) 23:38, 13 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Andy returns

Inserting himself in a content dispute over Hindenburg...which the page history says Andy hasn't edited, at all, going back to 2014... I'm not sure this rises to stalking, or just pain in the ass... Thoughts? Also, similar dispute here, which I know you're already (vaguely) aware of. Maybe you can have more success getting the point across than me. TREKphiler ^{any time you're ready, Uhura} 13:52, 15 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

AWB

I'd like to thank you for showing your thanks to some of my AWB edits, and since I notice from your edit history that you've made a couple MOS fixes as well, I figure the program would help you too. Details about the program and how to request access can be found at WP:AWB. Thanks again, and enjoy using it if you decide to go for it. jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) (talk) 19:16, 17 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Jd22292: Thanks for the suggestion. I usually use an older Chrome-based browser on a tablet, and from AWB page, it doesn't look like that is compatible. I do use Twinkle, which is compatible, and very helpful in rollbacks and issuing warnings, among other useful functions. Someone did suggest that I use Twinkle, so I so appreciate suggestions. - BilCat (talk) 19:24, 17 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

September 2017 - LA Memorial Coliseum

Somewhat new to this, but saw your edit or revert for vandalism from my post. Thanks for catching that and correcting it. User Purplebackpack89 made two revisions including changing the ownership of the venue to University of Texas at Austin. I was trying to have a little fun by poking back at them, but I understand that is not a proper use of the forum. I would also ask for your help on how we could better manage this page. I am the Director of Events for the LA Memorial Coliseum and employed by USC to manage the venue. If possible, we would like to update some images, our logo, as well as prevent users like Purplebackpack89 from editing content and have it go viral. Appreciate any feedback and I hope this is the correct forum to discuss this. Thanks. Kevind6368 (talk) 20:00, 17 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Kevind6368: Hi, Kevin. Thanks for using Wikipedia. Actually, Purplebackpack89 is a good editor, and made constructive edits. The user who changed the ownership information was an IP user, as shown here. Editing Wikipedia takes some getting use to, and I realize that. However, we do take a dim view of jokes and vandalism in the articles. It's best not to respond to vandalism in that way, but if you must, use the edit summary for such comments. See here for an example that I did on the Atlanta Falcons page.

Unfortunately, vandalism is a part of life on Wikipedia, but we do everything we can to revert it when it happens. If vandalism occurs regularly on an article, it can be protected by an administrator (which I'm not), but this is only done rarely.

As far as images and logos, that's very complicated due to copyright issues. Any appropriate photos that are in the public domain can be uploaded to Wikimedia Commons, and then used here. For example, you can just take some photos at the stadium on your own phone or camera, and release them as public domain or under a Creative Commons license that is compatible with Wikipedia and Wikimedia Commons. Photos taken be professional photographers are of course generally copyrighted. If the stadium or university owns the copyrights to photos, they can be used with written permission. Logos are generally copyrighted, and used under fair use. Copyrights and fair use aren't my area of expertise, but I can help you to find the information you need to follow up on that.

I'm going to post a message on your talk page with more information on photos and copyrights with links to relevant help page. I'm also going to post some information on managing conflicts of interest, as you're employed by the stadium. As long as you're open to guidance, it shouldn't be a problem.

Thanks again for your interest in using Wikipedia, and I hope you have a rewarding experience. - BilCat (talk) 20:20, 17 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@BilCat: Thanks for the links and references and clearing the record for Purplebackpack89. I hope to keep working on this and get more involved. It's more intense than I could have imagined. A definite appreciation for the community here. Kevind6368 (talk) 17:42, 18 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Kevind6368: (You don't have to Ping me here, as the software automatically notifies users of post on their own talk page.) Thanks for being understanding. Wikipedia does have a steep learning curve. You might want to consider watchlisting Wikipedia talk:WikiProject College football. It's a project for editors interested in college football, and many of the participants are experienced in dealing with the issues you'll experience with the stadium article. It's a good place to go when you have editing or other questions. - BilCat (talk) 18:25, 18 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Space opera and Science fiction

Pedantic people go on at length about different types of Science Fiction. Some science fiction that uses science and technology directly as a core element of the story is called hard science fiction. Other sources that focus on using futuristic settings as decoration to tell stories about people and somewhat derisively described as space opera suggesting they are little more than soap opera with decorations.

I've heard Star Trek referred to as space opera but it is varies from benign to malign, but in any case your edit to The Orville was perfectly correct and there is no reason as all to mention space opera, it is not relevant. -- 109.76.196.129 (talk) 00:42, 20 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]