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Removal of the word Agender

I'd like to request the removal of the term 'Agenda' from the Transgender page.

Agender is the experience of never experiencing/ experiencing no gender, so it cannot be in the same category as people who do experience gender. These are fundamentally different experiences. The following reference puts Agender under the 'Genderqueer umbrella' and acknowledges that discomfort in being called Transgender exists. I have identified as Agender for 3 years now, and for the first time have felt like I have an identity. I do not identify as Transgender at all, and I find it very upsetting to be bundled under the Trans-umbrella. If the definition of trans is: Someone who identifies as a gender other than what they were assigned at birth then technically, I still do not see how someone who experiences no gender can fall under this banner.

Guidelines for psychological practice with transgender and gender nonconforming people. American Psychological Association - American Psychologist, 2015 - 204.14.132.173

Thanks Birdword (talk) 08:49, 16 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. Birdword. "Agender" is included because it falls under the broad definition of transgender that includes all non-binary/genderqueer people. The article is clear that transgender is used as an umbrella term. This doesn't mean that everyone agrees with the wide application. Many don't agree with cross-dressers being called transgender, for example. Also, even though many non-binary people state that they have no gender, their identification of having no gender is still termed a gender identity. I don't see that the source you linked to states that agender people shouldn't be included in the transgender umbrella. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 23:06, 16 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Request: Add to the lead paragraph

The lead paragraph should mention the fact that transgenderism has been criticized per the Wikipedia manual. ThomasCalvin (talk) 23:36, 10 November 2017 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by ThomasCalvin (talk • contribs) 21:52, 10 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

ThomasCalvin, per WP:LEAD, not everything goes in the lead. And things typically should not go in the lead unless covered lower in the article first. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 22:26, 10 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Also, I at first thought you were speaking of the term transgenderism, but it seems you mean that the topic (what some would call "the concept") of being transgender has been criticized. That's a WP:Due issue in addition to being a WP:LEAD issue. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 22:33, 10 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]


Evolution of transgender terminology

My name is Cristan Williams and you cite some of my research to support the claim that "Psychiatrist John F. Oliven of Columbia University coined the term transgender in his 1965 reference work Sexual Hygiene and Pathology..." I've taken pains in my own research to never use the term, "coin" or "coined" as I can't prove that Oliven was the first person to ever use this term; rather, I can only prove that his is, as of today, the earliest known usage. Prior to my finding of this usage, it was asserted that Virginia Prince "coined" the term and this inspired all sorts of identitarian fights within the trans community. I want to encourage you to use the term "popularize" or "popularized" instead of "coined" because what we know is that, as of today, Oliven's is the earliest known usage and that he, therefore, helped popularize the term. I urge the editors here to reconsider the assertion that we know for a fact that Oliven was the first to use this term, and instead note that his is the earliest known use.

This might be useful as well: http://tsq.dukejournals.org/content/1/1-2/232.full — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ehipassiko2 (talk • contribs) 03:38, 12 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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http://waltheyer.com/transgenders-4-studies-say-its-mental-disorders/ There plenty more references from many reputable scientific sources.


30% of transgenders suicide! 1 in 3 compared to 1 in 6250 for the average for the world! Do people want to claim this is just a coincidence? Clearly its related.

"Concern because they do not disclose that nearly 90% of the time transgenders suffer serious mental issues"

Can we put this fact in the article or is the article more about being politically correct, aka "transexuals are normal people" "transexuals do not have any higher mental illness"--ArnoldHimmler (talk) 09:06, 3 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Blogs are wp:selfpublished and are not wp:reliable sources. Anyone can write anything on a blog. Jim1138 (talk) 09:08, 3 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Im talking about reputable scientific facts. So no idea why you are talking irrelevant blogs. Is that how you handle facts you dont like? Maybe the list of all the countries that define transgender as mental disorder? Thats basically every country in the world developed or not!

https://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/michael-w-chapman/johns-hopkins-psychiatrist-transgender-mental-disorder-sex-change

--ArnoldHimmler (talk) 09:22, 3 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

CNSNews is a right-wing house organ for conservative propaganda, and is not an acceptable reliable source on Wikipedia. Unless you have constructive contributions to make here, you should move on. NorthBySouthBaranof (talk) 09:32, 3 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@ArnoldHimmler: The above link is a blog, you haven't cited RS. CNSNews fails RS on wp:RSN. The links in that blog discuss mortality and morbidity of transgenders, "mental issues" is not "mental disorder". See wp:synthesis. The mental issues are present in every population, possibly more so in transgender populations. The disparity is likely the transgenders dealing with bigotry. Jim1138 (talk) 09:36, 3 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

https://www.psychiatry.org/patients-families/gender-dysphoria WOW keep making excuses, for sites that are used for references on this site!

"mental issues" is not "mental disorder" Thats for your blog there, Dr!

"The mental issues (AKA DISORDERS) are present in every population, possibly more so in transgender populations" WOW now you just said they do suffer more mental illness/disorders. Ignoring the fact the reputable references eg the american psychiatric association says so.

So what now how will you deny the fact since you have agreed with it? Why do you push this agenda, where does your bias come from?--ArnoldHimmler (talk) 09:43, 3 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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