Talk:City Lights
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INACCURATE SCENE DESCRIPTION
"In each encounter with the blind girl, she unknowingly manages to bash the Tramp, throwing water in his face, dropping a flower pot on his head etc."
This is not accurate; the cat hit the flower pot which fell on his head, not the blind girl. The blind girl, hearing the noise, then rushed to the window to make sure it wasn't her bird cage that had fell. A better example would be of her using his underclothes to supply her yarn ball. Also, did this not happen in "each encounter" -- perhaps two or three times.
.. Also, he didn't look through the glass at her, there was no glass separating them. Also, the look on his face when he realized it was her in NO way resembled the way he checked out the naked statue in the window in the beginning of the movie, and I do not see how this is an analogy. Did the person that wrote this actually watch the movie?— Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.204.16.2 (talk) 14:41, 1 February 2013 (UTC)
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I changed a paragraph that implied the girl's dreams were dashed upon realizing her benefactor was a tramp. I don't think it mattered either way to her. I think she was 1) just happy to finally meet the dude, and 2) maybe a little surprised that her dude was a man of such modest means. At any rate, she was touched and joyful... nothing dashed or disappointed about it.
- I think part of the greatness of the ending is its openness to more than one interpretation. I can see how it could be read as joyful. But personally, I see it as a crushingly sad ending-- Chaplin says, "You can see now?" She replies, "Yes, I can see," and the screen goes black, implying (to me) that any hopes the tramp had for them were ended when he gave her sight, and he knew it. It was a gesture of self-sacrifice on more than one level.
- But regardless, the article should probably just describe what happens without putting an interpretation on it. I think it's fine as it stands. Rizzleboffin 04:35, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
Chaplin did not compose the love theme of City Lights
The love theme of City Lights, the Leitmotif of the blind girl, is José Padilla's "La violetera". Only after a trial for plagiarism, in Paris, Chaplin finally admitted the facts. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.216.157.226 (talk) 05:41, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
No coverage of why the film was good
Although there are many references to the fact that prominent people praised the film, there is little discussion of why. Among all the studies, there must be discussions of why the film is so moving. It would be useful to have that content, and not just ranking lists.Parkwells (talk) 16:22, 28 December 2010 (UTC)
B-Class Assessment
The article can be improved to B-Class after these problems are solved:
- The lead is too short.
- Unsourced paragraphs on both "Slapstick" and "Reception and Legacy".
- Regarding the latter, maybe a section named "Accolades" (which I just created) could fit all the lists the film's in - also that AFI subsection, which can be converted to prose. igordebraga ≠ 04:32, 17 October 2012 (UTC)
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Reviewer: Smarojit (talk · contribs) 01:35, 12 September 2013 (UTC) Will review it in the next couple of days. --smarojit HD 01:35, 12 September 2013 (UTC)
Excellent, excellent work on one of the best films of all-time. Just some minor issues before I pass this:
- Release, reception and legecy
- No in-line citation for "..he demanded higher ticket prices compared to talkies."
- Same for this review: "On the other hand, Alexander Bakshy of The Nation was highly critical of City Lights, objecting to the silent format and over-sentimentality and describing it as "Chaplin's feeblest"."
- Finally this: "Chaplin's original "Tramp" suit from the film was donated by him to the Museum of Natural history of Los Angeles County." [Also, why is this statement in this particular section?]
--smarojit HD 04:15, 17 September 2013 (UTC)
Done. The section is reception and legacy and it seems appropriate to mention him donating the suit in the legacy of the film at the end?♦ Dr. Blofeld 12:13, 17 September 2013 (UTC)
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- C. No original research:
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- Fair representation without bias:
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- No edit wars, etc:
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- A. Images are copyright tagged, and non-free images have fair use rationales:
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--smarojit HD 14:17, 17 September 2013 (UTC)
Double Florence Lee????
IMDb says that there are two actresses named Florence Lee: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0497265/?ref_=nmbio_trv_2 and http://www.imdb.com/name/nm5681967/?ref_=fn_al_nm_1. Who played the role of the Grandmother. While this article states that it's the Florence Lee born in 1888, the appereance and age of the Grandmother's character belong more to the other Florence Lee who played "motherly roles". --Clibenfoart (talk) 22:36, 22 December 2014 (UTC)
- Well, this is giving me a headache. After comparing the films (not shorts) of Florence I (8 films) and II (13, including City Lights) in IMDB to those of the only Florence Lee in TCM (12) and AMG (8), I'm even more confused. They were active in the same era, and TCM has 10 of II's films and 2 of I's, while AMG has 7 and 1, respectively. The photo in Florence Lee definitely doesn't match the person in the film, but the Library of Congress, from whence it came, doesn't even say this particular Florence Lee was an actress, just "possibly a fortune teller" "between ca. 1910 and ca. 1915". Florence I would have been about 43, too young compared to the grandmother in the film IMO; the notes for II state she is "Not the same actress as Florence Lee, a younger type of the 1920s", but that's hardly trustworthy. I'm strongly inclined to trust IMDb's credits, but to make this even more murky, the only really reliable sources I've been able to dig up actually support Florence I. The Library of Congress Name Authority File for I lists "City lights [sic]" in its sources, as do most of the other authority controls in her article. AAAARGH. (In any case, I'm going to remove the photo.) Clarityfiend (talk) 03:23, 23 December 2014 (UTC)
- I've looked into the Our Gang comedy Ask Grandma (1925) in which Florence Lee (II) played (according to IMDb) the title role of the Grandmother: She appeares among other scenes at 9:30 (https://archive.org/details/AskGrandma) and it's certainly the same actress as the actress of the Grandmother in City Lights. I think the Grandmother is Florence Lee (II) and that her film credits were wrongly put together with the Florence Lee (I) for a long time. --Clibenfoart (talk) 09:57, 23 December 2014 (UTC)
I talked about this with Xquenda on the German wikipedia.
- The Florence Lee who played in the Our Gang comedies Ask Grandma and Fair and Muddy is probably the Grandmother, if you compare it with the footage of those filmes.
- Florence Lee (1888-1962) was married with Dell Henderson, as you can see there 1. She played in some pictures at Biograph (where she also met Henderson, who worked there as a director/actor), but she probably didn't play the Grandmother in City Lights. The woman in the picture could be Florence Lee, but there's also probably a third Florence Lee, because there 1 is another Florence Lee who doesn't look like the other Florence Lees. --Clibenfoart (talk) 18:26, 25 January 2015 (UTC)
Two years have passed and I checked Florence Lee at IMDb, and there is now a birth/death year: 1864-1933. Sounds quite plausible. --Clibenfoart (talk) 15:52, 7 February 2017 (UTC)
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See Also Section
There are a bunch of S. Asian movies dumped into this section, seemingly without rhyme or reason. Perhaps we should delete them? Gibbousmoon100 (talk) 01:34, 26 March 2018 (UTC)
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