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Tattoos on Maui

There is an article that specifically says that the tattoos on the character Maui (played by Dwayne Johnson) will be done using hand-drawn animation. Doesn't this make it a hand-drawn/CGI hybrid?— Preceding unsigned comment added by WakeFan91 (talk • contribs) 02:34, 6 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

No, because for it to be a hybrid, a significant amount would have to be hand drawn, but so far only the tattoos are hand drawn. I'm sure there are many traditional animation films that use cgi and computer animated films that use some hand drawn animation for small details, but we don't call them hybrids because the usage is too minor. I did add that Maui's tattoos will be hand drawn in the production section however. Sro23 (talk) 08:51, 6 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Edit war

This slow motion edit war is getting ridiculous. Has there been confirmation Don Hall and Chris Williams will direct? Sro23 (talk) 13:06, 14 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed merge with Auli'i Cravalho

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.
Although the majority here was open to redirect or merge the article about Auli'i Cravalho, the AFD outcome resulted in keep her biography separately. © Tbhotch™ (en-2.5). 10:26, 25 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Known for her role in a yet to be released film. All of the provided sources are about her casting and role in the film. Its better to merge this biography to the film article. Of course, we can have a standalone article once the subject meets WP:NACTOR. Skr15081997 (talk) 11:30, 24 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

How Far I'll Go

Can you make a page for the song "How Far I'll Go"? The song is gaining more and more popularity! For example, this song even charted on the Billboard Hot 100, and as of my writing, it is at #52! So, would you consider this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70Jack90 (talk • contribs) 05:26, 7 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Hey there, you might wanna take this request to Articles for creation! Mihirpmehta (talk) 18:59, 8 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Number 1 three consecutive times

Moana is the number one movie three weeks in a row, joining Deadpool, Zootopia, The Jungle Book, Finding Dory, and Suicide Squad. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.81.58.55 (talk) 05:45, 12 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion re recent revisions

I recently made a number of revisions to the article. First, I again marked the budget with "(estimated)" because if you actually review the press coverage of this film, it becomes clear very quickly that all the sources talking directly to Disney have either not mentioned a number for the production budget or have noted that Disney is not releasing that number. In general, presenting a specific number as accurate without warning that it is an outside estimate and not the actual official number (in a context where an actual undisclosed official number almost certainly exists) is itself a false statement of fact. In turn, false statements of fact are violations of Wikipedia's nonnegotiable core policies on verifiability and no original research.

Second, I also fixed a number of bizarre recent Engrish edits, such as the unnecessary insertion of the word "a" before the phrase "traditional animation."

Third, I pulled out citations to Forbes Contributors. There has been a consensus on Wikipedia for several years that the Forbes Contributors program is not in compliance with WP:RS because that program lacks adequate editorial controls before stories go live. Either find a source that is in compliance with WP:RS (such as one credited to Forbes staff which is marked as having being published in the print magazine) or don't insert the assertion at all.

Fourth, I commented out several grossly incomplete citations (mostly bare URLs) and marked the adjacent sentences with the citation needed tag. If the responsible editors really want those citations in the article, they can come back and fix the mess they created, because no one else has the time or energy to fix those citations for them. --Coolcaesar (talk) 23:50, 12 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

An important observation for which to search for sources

While reviewing the article on Do You Want to Build a Snowman?, I realized that Moana is unusual for a Disney animated musical in that it contains two reprises in the third act: the reprise of "An Innocent Warrior" at the climax and the reprise of "We Know The Way" at the ending. Most Disney animated musicals do not contain songs in the third act and the climax is usually acted or spoken (over a background score), not sung through. I can't insert that point in the article right now, as that's original research in violation of WP:NOR, but that point must have come up in one of the press interviews for the film. Or it may come up between now and next year when the film goes into awards season. Anyway, if the filmmakers do discuss this issue publicly, we should add this point to the article. --Coolcaesar (talk) 15:51, 14 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The budget issue

The sources cited unequivocally state that Disney has not disclosed a budget. Under Wikipedia policies (WP:V, WP:NOT, WP:NOR, and WP:NPOV), we say exactly what the sources say. --Coolcaesar (talk) 19:33, 16 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The Numbers lists a $150 million budget, though Box Office Mojo simply lists it as "N/A". I won't change it, just thought I'd at least mention it. JudgeRM (talk to me) 19:46, 16 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
None of the reputable industry publications (THR, TheWrap, Variety, Deadline, etc.) has published any articles in which any journalist states unequivocally under their byline that "the production budget for Moana is $X." When studios really want to leak or disclose a budget, they are fully capable of doing so, as occurred with Avatar, where Fox openly discussed its budget. Similarly, Variety ran a story in 2014 stating that the budget for Big Hero 6 was $165 million. For now, we go with Disney's official position for Moana as reported by reputable publications, which is that they are refusing to disclose it. --Coolcaesar (talk) 13:13, 17 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
What about this source from MarketWatch? It says "The film, stamped with a 99% Rotten Tomatoes rating and a reported $150 million production budget, brought in $2.6 million in early Tuesday night showings, and comScore forecasts the film will garner a debut in the $75 million to $80 million range." -Worwicstudent2 (talk) 19:16, 18 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
The qualifier "reported" is a hedge (and proof surrogate) that implies the figure is unreliable. That is, the reporter has been unable to obtain direct verification, for whatever reason, and is instead simply repeating whatever he found on another Web site (most likely the $150 million estimate based on extrapolation from other Disney films). Good entertainment reporters invest a lot of time and money into cultivating a network of trusted inside sources. Those reporters never use a qualifier like "reported" when they have direct access and are absolutely certain their sources are accurate. --Coolcaesar (talk) 03:43, 19 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Vaiana

I just saw the movie in the Netherlands in English and both the title and the name of the main character was Vaiana throughout, meaning this change is not exclusive to foreign-language dubs like the article currently implies. This seems similar to the change from Zootopia to Zootropolis in the European English release of that movie. However this is a bit more complex because the main character has two official names. What would be the best way to get this across in the article? Mijzelffan (talk) 20:42, 17 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, me too, in Sweden. English dub, Swedish sub. I'm not sure if the actors told their corresponding lines twice, or if they just said the name, and it was digitally spliced or something... Also, not sure if this was done primarily for the UK market, or for the niche market of adult animation fans who'd prefer the original dub. 惑乱 Wakuran (talk) 08:53, 1 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Link external: Moana on Google+ is error! Kidshin007 (talk) 19:10, 3 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I removed the link as I couldn't find an official Moana G+ page. Thanks! MidnightObservation (talk) 00:40, 25 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Pattern of disruptive editing by User:Disneyisatale

Despite repeated warnings and reminders to read Wikipedia:Verifiability, User:Disneyisatale has repeatedly added links to self-published sources of questionable reliability, including The Numbers and Forbes Contributors (which are essentially self-published blogs hosted on the Forbes site). Notably, more reliable sources like Box Office Mojo and most traditional publications covering the entertainment industry have been careful to go with the official Disney position that they are simply not disclosing the production budget. Any objections before I pull that questionable estimate of $150 million out of the infobox? Also, it looks like User:Disneyisatale may need a topic ban as to this article and possibly other film articles. --Coolcaesar (talk) 04:44, 5 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed with removal, following discussion above in 'The budget issue'. MidnightObservation (talk) 00:20, 7 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Just took out another attempt to reinsert the estimated budget number which was inserted by a user whose first edit was on 8 March 2017. It looks like User:Disneyisatale may be using sockpuppets, which is grounds for an immediate block. I'll have to initiate a case for CheckUser when I have the time. --Coolcaesar (talk) 20:39, 16 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

should Moana be a Musical Film?

I've noticed that in the article for Frozen (2013 film), it is described as a musical film. In the article for Moana, however, it is simply described as "a 2016 American computer-animated family film" as opposed to Frozen's "2013 American 3D computer-animated musical fantasy". Should "musical" be added onto the description? The Verified Cactus 100% 02:26, 24 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

See also

Why "no indication of what they have in common or why they're being suggested"? Lanari Mauro. 82.84.38.235 (talk) 04:39, 24 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The only reason they're suggested is seemingly because they were mentioned in movie reviews for Moana. I don't see why they should still be there, so I'll go ahead and remove them. The Verified Cactus 100% 15:01, 24 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Third animated CGI musical film

Moana is the third animated CGI musical film. alongside with Tangled (2010) and Frozen (2013). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 179.223.244.9 (talk) 18:39, 1 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Controversy section

Some users keep deleting it for some reason. Is that right? I mean, Pocahontas (1995 film) briefly talks about the cultural issues in that movie. What's the best way to approach the subject here?Crboyer (talk) 21:24, 24 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The criticism of omissions of goddesses and of merchandising strikes me as being both fair and given due weight within the article, but the idea that merely depicting in a work of fiction a type of traditional sailing vessel represents "cultural appropriation" strikes me as... well, lunacy, idiocy and fringe (yes, I know about the larger controversy of intellectual property and cultural appropriation—that doesn't make this less fringe). It should be given no weight unless multiple notable, reliable sources weigh in with the same criticism. 108.34.201.56 (talk) 23:44, 30 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
A bit more - the line "Through the film, the corporation has been claimed to perpetuate settler colonialist practices of exploitation and erasure by utilizing the knowledge and narratives of native peoples to spur a profitable capitalist enterprise of music, celebrities and merchandise.[112]" is not supported by the referenced link. The link contains some quotes by a journalist/filmmaker, and a professor who hadn't seen the movie. Unless more detailed, primary sources reference others with more background in these issues, I think all lines using this reference should be deleted.Jbmcb (talk) 01:11, 10 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Confusion with the Italian actress? I think not. But...

I don't think the confusion with Moana Pozzi is the reason (or the only reason) why Moana was renamed Vaiana in most of Continental Europe, so I read the Il Post report which this article cites, and found this.

Tra circa un anno, nel dicembre del 2016, uscirà in Italia un film d’animazione Disney intitolato Oceania. Lo ha comunicato Disney Italia durante Giornate Professionali di Cinema, un evento per addetti ai lavori che si è svolto a Sorrento. Del film si sa ancora pochissimo ma se ne sta già parlando: ad attirare l’attenzione è stato il suo titolo originale – Moana – e il fatto che in Italia sia stato cambiato in Oceania. Molti siti di cinema e siti d’informazione hanno scritto che Disney Italia ha deciso di cambiare il titolo perché in Italia il nome Moana è associato a quello di Moana Pozzi, attrice di film porno e showgirl italiana famosissima tra la fine degli anni Ottanta e l’inizio degli anni Novanta, morta nel 1994 a 33 anni.

I concluded that the Moana Pozzi thing came from speculations made by Italian online film communities, and Il Post was simply reporting it.

If you want to add that Moana was renamed Vaiana also because of that actress, you need to bring the sources that

  1. does not rely on rumours and speculations
  2. does not mention that Il Post report (directly or indirectly)
  3. has a confirmation from The Walt Disney Company or a high-level staff at the company.

About another source recently added, it cites a report from Cartoon Brew which used 'A friend of mine told me' type of Twitter post as an 'official' confirmation, not to mention that it has a link to Il Post report in question. JSH-alive/talk/cont/mail 16:30, 25 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Mulan and Mandarin

From the article. 

On October 25, 2016, at a press conference in Papeete, it was announced that the film will be the first motion picture to be fully dubbed in the Tahitian language. This marks the third time Disney has released a special dubbing dedicated to the culture which inspired the film: the first case was The Lion King (1994), for which the directors travelled to South Africa to cast voice actors for a Zulu-dubbed version; and the second case was Mulan (1998), which was the first Disney film to have a Mandarin Chinese dubbing made in China, separate from and independent of the version released in Taiwan.

But would a Mandarin dub really be considered "special"? Isn't that the general procedure for all Disney films released on the Chinese market, anyway? 惑乱 Wakuran (talk) 16:02, 5 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Not the Mandarin version made in China. Before Mulan, all Mandarin dubs of Disney movies were made exclusively in Taiwan. True, it's not the only Mandarin dub ever made nor is it the sole dub made in China, but Mulan marked the entrance of Disney into the Chinese market. That's why it's to be considered "special". Ninahi8 (talk) 20:56, 5 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Music credit in infobox

I am well-aware that the infobox instructions say score composer only but this doesn't make sense in a musical where the major source of music is the songs not the score. I think WP:IAR applies in this case. See other examples of filmed musicals such as My Fair Lady (film), The Sound of Music (film) or Oklahoma! (1955 film) where practice is to list the songwriters.

Also looking at the talk page archives for the infobox it appears that there is some support for treating musicals differently from non-musical films in that the song composers in musicals have a major credit at least equal and sometimes higher to the score composer whereas in non-musicals the credit for songs is usually a minor credit. The current instructions are not taking into consideration the unique role songs play in a musical but reflect the minor role songs play normally in most films. Geraldo Perez (talk) 06:32, 9 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

  • ^I agree with this actually. I removed the two songwriters because of WP:Whichever one it was..., which stated that it should only list the score composers, but I think that's an overtly disagreeable policy. Songwriters have a considerably more vital role in musicals than score composers do, and because of that they should obviously be mentioned in the infobox, whether it be in a separate box or in the same one. ~~Tristan ("TheDisneyGamer") 20:55, 24 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Goddess names

Is it not worth a passing mention that Moana's grandmother shares a name with Tagalog Tala (goddess) and her mother shares a name with Samoan Sina? The latter was Maui's wife and the film even has Maui singing about killing/burying the eel.

There's also the pet pig Pua's name resembling Kamapua'a.

Pele_(deity)#Expulsion_version references "Kaneapua" and further research shows they had the ability to part waters like Moana did. 70.51.193.44 (talk) 04:48, 9 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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