Talk:Primerica

Semi-protected edit request on 5 March 2018

173.79.123.47 (talk) 20:29, 5 March 2018 (UTC)

Primerica is not multi level marketing company

 Not done: This has been asked and answered multiple times above. —KuyaBriBri^Talk 21:20, 5 March 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 April 2018

Primerica is a Corporation with the franchise system, that mean you have the opportunity to start part time and build all the way to a franchise owner (RVP) is not a MLM company, since you don't make any money out of recruiting and no one is obligate to buy nothing, Pyramid Skim are prohibited in this country, when some one look into primerica through wiki and see MLM company this add is robbing the opportunity to some one to have their own bussines.

Primerica is a regulated company with a franchise system. Andyluis23 (talk) 20:28, 18 April 2018 (UTC)

 Not done: Wikipedia is based on reliable sources, and is not a platform for promotion. Grayfell (talk) 20:45, 18 April 2018 (UTC)

MLM again

Heathererdmann (talk) 23:58, 20 May 2018 (UTC)== Finance and Insurance == Primerica is not an MLM company, please effectually do the proper homework and federal research: the company SIC primary Code is 6411 - Insurance Agents, Brokers and Service, and 524210 - Insurance Agencies and Brokerages. Please use the SEC and Edgar Search the primary base for that information and not someone's cousin as it would seem was the case in the ignorance of the industrial identifier. https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1475922/000156459018003151/pri-10k_20171231.htmHeathererdmann (talk) 23:58, 20 May 2018 (UTC)

By somebody's cousin, you mean Business Insider and Slate? Wikipedia goes by reliable sources, with a strong preference for third-party sources. WP:PRIMARY legal documents, such as SEC filings, are notoriously prone to misinterpretation, and are not given any special weight, regardless. Even setting that aside, I do not see where MLM is discussed in that dense, routine filing. Reliable sources say they are MLM, and therefore, so does Wikipedia. Grayfell (talk) 00:24, 21 May 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 June 2018

Primerica is Not a Multi-Level Marketing Company. Primerica is an agency/franchise model company. 216.201.203.34 (talk) 04:26, 5 June 2018 (UTC)

 Not done: This statement is supported by reliable sources. LittlePuppers (talk) 05:28, 5 June 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 6 June 2018

Primerica, Inc. is a United States-based Network Marketing company that sells insurance and financial services. As of September 2017, it had 124,436 independent representatives 68.197.214.94 (talk) 14:28, 6 June 2018 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Sam Sailor 16:07, 6 June 2018 (UTC)

List of products

This is regarding this edit

I have two concerns here. First, infoboxes are very poor at handling lengthy lists of details like this, and this particular infobox is already kind of bloated, with both a logo, a decorative photo (which is too small to be informative at all, by the way), non-notable 'key people', etc. It is not possible for this infobox to list every actual product sold, so trimming this to be a true overview of available products seems like an improvement. Was this list comprehensive? Probably not, nor would that even be desirable if it were.

Another problem is verifiability. Generally, reliable primary sources are barely acceptable for this kind of thing, but this link completely fails to support the entire list, which makes it inappropriate. Every entry should be sourced, but this would be excessive, and far worse, this isn't even handled properly in the body of the article, where there is room. This should be handled properly in the article first, and only then, should this information be selectively summarized in the infobox. The point of an article is to summarize, and the point of the infobox is to summarize the summary. Grayfell (talk) 20:28, 11 June 2018 (UTC)

That editor...won't be able to join this discussion. DMacks (talk)

10 years? Dang. I've removed that photo since I noticed how bad it is. It's a blurry snapshot of... a stage? Somewhere? with an indeterminate number of people? It's uninformative filler. Grayfell (talk) 21:19, 11 June 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 12 June 2018

Wikipedia has Primerica Financial as Multi-level company, however they're not registered has one. They are actually registered as a Financial services company. 108.173.9.220 (talk) 02:36, 12 June 2018 (UTC)

 Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. DMacks (talk) 02:48, 12 June 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 October 2018

Change this: In October 2015, James Wilcox, a school district superintendent in Longview, Texas and other Primerica representatives were censured by the Longview school district for holding Primerica recruitment pitch meetings at a local high school. The meetings generated numerous complaints and violated the school district's employee policy manual, which prohibits employees from using their position with the district "to attempt to sell products or services".[36] In 2017, Primerica representatives reportedly tried to recruit students on the campus of Brooklyn College, in violation of the college’s rules.[37]

to: In October 2015, James Wilcox, a school district superintendent in Longview, Texas and other Primerica representatives were censured by the Longview school district for holding a Primerica recruitment pitch meetings at a local high school. The meetings generated numerous complaints and violated the school district's employee policy manual, which prohibits employees from using their position with the district "to attempt to sell products or services".[36] The one parent complaint filed in 2016 with the Texas Education Agency regarding this meeting was closed without any action taken against Mr. Wilcox. Mr. Wilcox has remained a Longview ISD superintendent, with trustees saying he continues to be the best person for the job . In 2017, Primerica representatives reportedly tried to recruit students on the campus of Brooklyn College, in violation of the college’s rules, but college officials were not able to confirm that Primerica has been recruiting without permission.[37]

I think that this section should be updated to include the outcome of the situation. Tesile (talk) 12:20, 5 October 2018 (UTC)

References

 Done ♪♫Alucard 16♫♪ 14:29, 7 October 2018 (UTC)

 Undone: This request has been partially undone. @Tesile: Since part of this request was changed, modified or undone since I added it to the article please review the history and see why the editor changed the article. Please don't reopen this edit request to have the exact same edit request made when part of it was undone by another editor. If you feel this edit should remain intact please start a discussion here on the talk page to reach a consensus. ♪♫Alucard 16♫♪ 02:19, 9 October 2018 (UTC)

 Note: Also Tesile according to the page's protection level you should be able to edit the page yourself. If the edit appears to be a conflict-of-interest edit please use {{request edit}} for further edit requests. ♪♫Alucard 16♫♪ 02:26, 9 October 2018 (UTC)

@Alucard 16: Thank you very much. Yes, I now have permission to edit the Primerica Wikipedia page directly. My concern is that so far, each time that I have made an edit, the majority if my revisions have been removed/changed back. @Rhode Island Red: Can we discuss the changes I made that you removed here? Two revisions that you removed that I would like to discuss:

1) I do recommend that this page starts by describing Primerica as a company and its offerings, as opposed to starting with the distribution model. For example, per my revisionon 10/8, it could read "Primerica, Inc. is a United States-based insurance and financial services company that distributes its products and services through a distribution model that borrows aspects from franchising and direct sales model." Then, we could write a specific section specifically on their operations and distribution model.

2) Under "Sales force recruitment and Earnings" I updated: "...'to attempt to sell products or services'. The district's school board banned Primerica from Longview ISD campuses and directed Wilcox to "not allow any meetings of this type on any LISD property in that future".[36][37] A parent complaint filed in 2016 with the Texas Education Agency regarding the meeting was closed without any action taken against Mr. Wilcox.[38]. In 2017, Primerica representatives reportedly tried to recruit students on the campus of Brooklyn College, in violation of the college’s rules.[39]

to....

"...to attempt to sell products or services".[36] The one parent complaint filed in 2016 with the Texas Education Agency regarding this meeting was closed without any action taken against Mr. Wilcox. Mr. Wilcox has remained a Longview ISD superintendent, with trustees saying he continues to be the best person for the job (citation: Longview News Journal). In 2017, Primerica representatives reportedly tried to recruit students on the campus of Brooklyn College, in violation of the college’s rules, but college officials were not able to confirm that Primerica has been recruiting without permission.[37]"

I think that it is important to include the fact that Mr. Wilcos remained has remained a Longview ISD superintendent, with trustees specifically mentioning his credibility and success in the job in order accurately represent Mr. Wilcox and to represent the situation without bias.

Can we come to a compromise? Perhaps we can compromise and include that he has remained a Longview ISD superintendent.

108.7.187.15 (talk) 14:51, 25 October 2018 (UTC)

Tesile (talk) 16:37, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

Primerica is an MLM, so no, I don't support any proposals that whitewash this fact. Secondly, the text about the Longview superintendent seems fine as it stands in the article now. It's not germane to Primerica whether or not he currently holds the superintendent position. BTW, what did you mean that you have "permission" to edit the page. Do you have a WP:COI? Rhode Island Red (talk) 20:03, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

108.7.187.15 (talk) 14:51, 25 October 2018 (UTC)

Rhode Island Red (talk) What I meant by I have "permission" was that I have access to edit the page through the permissions of Wikipedia and am an autoconfirmed user.

My concern is that I have updated this page to reflect the latest data from Primerica's latest SEC filings and articles/info that has been published in 2017 and 2018 and you have removed almost all of my revisions. My goal is not to dramatically change the Primerica page, but to simply update it to reflect the latest data and to dive into more detail into what they provide, for example term life insurance and and investment and savings products. Are you opposed entirely to editing the first sentence of this page, and to expanding the "Business Model" section to include more info about their offerings like term life insurance and and investment and savings products? 108.7.187.15 (talk) 14:51, 25 October 2018 (UTC)

SEC filings are self-published by the company. They are not reliable independent sources with editorial oversight and therefore are usable only in a very limited context. Also, your edits went well beyond what you just described above; i.e., downplaying/whitewashing the MLM aspect and delving into tangents about the Longview superintendent's current job status that are not germane to the subject of the article. I already indicated and explained my opposition to those edits and that has not changed. You are more than welcome to propose any other suggested updates here where they can be discussed. Rhode Island Red (talk) 15:52, 25 October 2018 (UTC)

Tesile (talk) 19:34, 25 October 2018 (UTC)

Rhode Island Red (talk) I think you may have a misunderstanding of the accuracy that is involved with SEC filing. It is a crime to sign and submit an SEC filing that is false. It is the role of the SEC to monitor for stock manipulation and fraud. That being said, I disagree and believe that SEC filings are factual sources that can be used as references on Wikipedia. We can agree to omit the extra sentence I added about the superintendent staying in his role and being great at his job. That section now links to the article I recommended and that should suffice. Onto a different but related topic, I would like to add information about term life insurance and investment and savings products that Primerica offers to this page. Do you take issue with that? Tesile (talk) 19:34, 25 October 2018 (UTC)