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This is an old revision of this page, as edited by 36.81.79.204 (talk) at 13:34, 14 November 2018 (Undid revision 868791857 by Girth Summit (talk) DIE!). The present address (URL) is a permanent link to this revision, which may differ significantly from the current revision.

I'm a pro at vandalizing pages mate. You block me down, a thousand version of myself will stand up and vandalize wikipedia until it is shutdown. The game is on mate!

Maxime Demers

Hi Girth, Im working in hydrographic too as a marine geomatician here in Canada. Maxime Demers — Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.215.32.23 (talk) 20:33, 11 August 2010‎ (UTC)[reply]

Please comment on Talk:Lion

The feedback request service is asking for participation in this request for comment on Talk:Lion. Legobot (talk) 04:27, 17 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Changing afghans in Germany and afghans in Russia afghan diaspora

We need to change it to German afghans, Russian afghans, Turkish afghans, Indian afghans, Swedish afghans. Please change title in Wikipedia please get everybody involved to change it. Sameem123 (talk) 07:05, 19 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Sameem123, thanks for your note. My user talk page isn't the place to have this discussion however - you need to go to the talk page for each of the articles in question, and make your case there. You will need to explain why you think we need to make these changes - it's not enough just to say 'we need to change it' - you need to say 'we need to change it because...'. Thanks! GirthSummit (blether) 07:08, 19 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I feel that’s all afghan kids who are born in different countries like afghans in Germany or other countries are ethnic groups you can change it to afghan Germans and Swedish afghans and British afghans its afghan diaspora. There’s my explanation. Sameem123 (talk) 07:38, 19 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
OK, Sameem123, you can explain that on the talk page of each of the articles, rather than here. Thanks. GirthSummit (blether) 08:18, 19 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Please comment on Talk:Methicillin-resistant Staphylococcus aureus

The feedback request service is asking for participation in this request for comment on Talk:Methicillin-resistant Staphylococcus aureus. Legobot (talk) 04:27, 20 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Please comment on Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard

The feedback request service is asking for participation in this request for comment on Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard. Legobot (talk) 04:27, 24 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Mass deletions from Keith M. Davidson

The IP that made this edit resolves to LA. What do you want to bet it's Davidson himself? Daniel Case (talk) 19:27, 24 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Very possible. More likely his intern/flunky, who's getting shouted at right now because the stuff is still up. Gotta feel for the guy, but you can't just go around deleting all the stuff your boss doesn't like... GirthSummit (blether) 19:31, 24 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
+1 Based on what I've read about him, Davidson might just be as likely to take this directly to the Foundation. Daniel Case (talk) 20:22, 24 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Please make the article more balanced

Dear Sir

You point out the fact that most scholars reject the historicity of the Bible. But these are biased researchers for who it will be hard to accept that what they reject is true. Most evangelical scholars accept that it is historically accurate MilBenedict (talk) 10:22, 25 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@MilBenedict: See the note I left on your talk page. If you want to add something about what evangelical scholars think, you will need reliable sources, and to add content at an appropriate point in the article. What you absolutely must not do is insert your own words into the text of a direct quote taken from an attributed scholarly source. I would also add that if a view is held by the overwhelming majority of historians, then that view represents the historical consensus, even if you don't agree with it - it doesn't need to be obfuscated with phrases like 'the consensus of liberal scholars' or whatever. GirthSummit (blether) 10:28, 25 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
The overwhelming majority of scholars who are not evangelical or practicing catholics or orthodox donnot accept the Biblie’s historicity. The opposite is true for the evangelical scholars. Both choose to focus and interpret the evidence accordingly. When you say majority what do you mean? The vast majority or Biblical researchers are found in Christian universities. The faculties devoted to the Bible are relatively small is secular universities. And many like Kennet Kitchen teach in secular universities and yet support the reliability of the text do the Bible MilBenedict (talk) 10:32, 25 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@MilBenedict: First things first - don't start a new section every time you add a new comment, and please read WP:INDENT for notes on how to indent conversations to make it easier to follow who's saying what.
To address your comment: the consensus of historians is the consensus of all historians, of any faith or none. We're not talking about bible scholars, we're talking about historians whose studies touch upon this issue - anyone working on the period that the bible covers, but it might also touch on the history of ideas, history of literature, history of early languages, etc. It is not necessary for someone specifically to be a scholar of the bible to have a view on this - historians are trained to evaluate the sources available for their area of study. Now, please read the links I've provided on your talk page, and consider whether you would be able to write some content for the page which is reliably sources and could be put on the page to fill in some of the gaps you think it has. GirthSummit (blether) 10:56, 25 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the SPI

It seemed pretty obvious but I was too busy to do anything. But you need to move your last comment as it's in the wrong section. Doug Weller talk 20:24, 25 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Doug Weller: Done. I'm on a bit of a learning curve at the moment, I appreciate the friendly steer. GirthSummit (blether) 20:29, 25 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Rollback granted

Hi Girth Summit. After reviewing your request for "rollbacker", I have enabled rollback on your account. Keep in mind these things when going to use rollback:

  • Getting rollback is no more momentous than installing Twinkle.
  • Rollback should be used to revert clear cases of vandalism only, and not good faith edits.
  • Rollback should never be used to edit war.
  • If abused, rollback rights can be revoked.
  • Use common sense.

If you no longer want rollback, contact me and I'll remove it. Also, for some more information on how to use rollback, see Wikipedia:Administrators' guide/Rollback (even though you're not an admin). I'm sure you'll do great with rollback, but feel free to leave me a message on my talk page if you run into troubles or have any questions about appropriate/inappropriate use of rollback. Thank you for helping to reduce vandalism. Happy editing! -- Amanda (aka DQ) 01:01, 26 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I've left a comment for you at WP:PERM/R. -- Amanda (aka DQ) 01:01, 26 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks Amanda, I'll start having a look at Huggle and STiki now. Regarding your message, I' afraid I can't remember the specific edit that you were referring to, and of course now it's oversighted I can't check; however, I will make sure I read the relevant guidelines carefully and familiarise myself with what does need oversighting and how to get help when it's required. Cheers GirthSummit (blether) 08:18, 26 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Cummulonimbus article deleted section

Dear Girth, I deleted the Commercial Aviation section on purpose because, as an airline pilot, it contained some very bad advices resulting from misinterpreting Robert Buck's book, Weather Flying.

  • First misconception: flying around a thunderstorm is dangerous.

In the book, pages 261 and 262, Buck discusses an hypothetical flight through a cold front in a small airplane flying around 10,000ft. What the author really says is that there is a risk associated when trying to climb to go through an opening in the line of clouds as it may outclimb the aircraft in an altitude where the stall speed and max speed are very close to each other.

  • Second misconception: fly through the heaviest rain portion of a cummulonimbus cloud.

In page 267, Robert Buck explains that before airborne weather radar, pilots would pick the darkest part of the storm if they had to go through it. The author continues explaining that after the invention of the radar, the heaviest radar echo, which was due to heavy rain consisted in the storm core, so pilots began avoiding it. But the heaviest turbulence isn't exactly in the middle of the heavy rain, but very close, so avoiding the rain area by a good margin, you'll probably miss the worst of the turbulence. If you want, I can reproduce both excerpts from the book to you. Regards, s_arman 22:49, 31 October 2018 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Samir.arman (talk • contribs)

Thanks for the note. I suggest you bring thiss up at the article talk page, where all interested parties can review your comments. Simply deleting the entire section might not be the best approach. cheers GirthSummit (blether) 22:55, 31 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

How to pages

Wasn't thinking... Thanks! I need to go to bed. Jim1138 (talk) 09:26, 2 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The Alt-right page

Hi, I put in the quotation marks again as I explained in my original edit. Please understand the use of correct English in this instance. If a conservative uses "Alt-left" as a smear, they are not implying a false equivalence to the Alt-right. They are implying an ACTUAL equivalence. The implication of the equivalence is not "false" to the person making the implication. It is only "false" to the commentator on the implication, such as Mark Pitcavage, an analyst at the Anti-Defamation League (whom is obviously biased against the implication). He calls it a "false equivalence" in the linked source. It should therefore be in quotation marks only. If you remove these quotation marks, you are making this page non-neutral, and slanted towards his opinion, making it into a fact. It is not a fact that far left has no equivalence to the far right in terms of violence. It is an OPINION only. Many will disagree with this opinion. The Far left are well known to use violence and direct action as a tactic, as are the far right. Quotation marks must remain for quoted opinions. Thanks for your understanding. Transcendent28 (talk) 10:22, 3 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Transcendent28: See MOS:QUOTE. Quotation marks are to be used to denote attributed quotations, not to imply an air of doubt about something. The use of the quotes is correct in the second time that false equivalence is used in the paragraph, since the phrase is directly attributed to Mark Pitcavage, but in the first sentence there is no direct attribution so the quote marks are not necessary. The whole paragraph is rather awkward and repetitive however, so it might be better to reword the whole thing? GirthSummit (blether) 11:43, 3 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Hi, thanks for your reply. I tried removing the "false" words before but someone removed my changes due to the sentence being sourced. The trouble is, the source is actually a quote of someone's opinion. Without quotation marks, it's stating the "false equivalence" as a fact. It's not about casting doubt on it, it's about being politically neutral. If someone makes a smear against someone else, it is highly possible that the smearer believes their smear to be true, eg. if you call someone an "idiot", you might not be making a false accusation of them being an idiot. You could be ACTUALLY calling them an idiot. It's the same with the smear "Alt-left". I don't want this to turn into an edit war, because I'll get banned. Would you agree though, that removing the first instance of "false" would be the right thing to do, and then keep quotation marks round the second "False equivalence"?Transcendent28 (talk) 14:34, 3 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@Transcendent28: I don't agree with your interpretation about the statement of fact. The assertion that is being made in Wikipedia's voice is that the term has been criticised as implying false equivalence - we're not saying that it is a false equivalence, we're saying that people have said that it's one, so I don't have a problem with the neutrality. I do think that the two sentences should probably be rolled into one, or otherwise redrafted, because they are currently quite repetitive. The quotation marks should be kept if we are quoting a specific individual, but they aren't essential. The best thing to do might be to propose some new wording on the article talk page? GirthSummit (blether) 13:44, 4 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Thanks Orphan Wiki - it took me a bit of time to get my head around it, but I think I've figured out the basic functions. I'll continue playing around with it, but I can see this being something that I start using regularly. I've been doing a lot of work using Twinkle and recent changes lately, but I like how Stiki offers a way to look at older diffs and catch vandalism that made it through the recent change patrol. Cheers GirthSummit (blether) 14:12, 8 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
No problem :) Yeah, I currently use Huggle, Twinkle and Stiki, and I've gotta say that Stiki is my favourite one. As you mention, there's plenty of vandalism that slips through the net cast by ClueBot_NG and RC patrollers, and the fact that this can still be cleared up is fantastic. I also think it's quite user friendly too. :)
Any questions on it, let me know, or post a message over at Wikipedia talk: STiki. Orphan Wiki 16:30, 8 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hyundai atos

I have add more text at Hyundai Atos can you help me in the “access date” in references? Thanks

OK, looking at it now.GirthSummit (blether) 13:49, 9 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@TataPower2: The problem is that you are writing 'accessdate' as one word. It should be two words - 'access date' - I think that if you change that, the references will work.
Please can I check a point with you about your username - 'Tata' is obviously a brand of car, and since you are editing an article about a particular car model, can you confirm whether you have any relationship with Tata - are you an employee? It's not necessarily a problem if you are, but there are certain rules you have to follow, including declaring your interest - see WP:COI and WP:PAID. Thanks GirthSummit (blether) 13:54, 9 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Quantrell/ Quantrill

Thank you for contacting me. As a writer , I should have known better. I can find and cite sources and will do so when i regain access to my books , specifically those pertaining to my ancestor William Clarke Quantrell. Thank you and apologies for the arbitrage. — Preceding unsigned comment added by C. James Quantrell (talk • contribs) 16:35, 9 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hi C. James Quantrell, thanks for understanding the situation. Just to be clear about what we do in historical articles at Wikipedia: it's not the place to correct mistakes that historians have made. Our job is to reflect what historians have said, even if it contains mistakes. If our article is wrong about how most historians spell the name, and you can present reliable sources to demonstrate that, then you will have no problem gaining consensus for these changes; if, on the other hand, most historians spell it the way our article does, then we must continue to do so even if it is wrong. Wikipedia isn't the place to publish original research or to right great wrongs; our aim is to summarise what up-to-date scholarly sources have to say about a subject. I suggest you find what sources you can, and discuss the changes on the talk page, according to our bold-revert-discuss cycle. Cheers GirthSummit (blether) 18:17, 9 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Removed citation from Fabiano Caruana

Hello, My edit was removed from the Fabiano Caruana Wiki ["Although he is not Jewish"] because the source was unreliable. Can you explain this. It's from the just-released New York Times article profiling Fabiano Caruana. He grew up in a heavily Jewish and Italian American neighborhood and attended an afterschool program hosted by a Jewish institution, but he himself is not Jewish. Within, there is a picture of his childhood home showing a picture of Jesus, which I posted.

What's the issue? He is Catholic. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.53.11.48 (talk) 19:26, 9 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @108.53.11.48:. Nowhere in that article does it say 'he is a Catholic', or 'he is not Jewish' - therefore, it does not support your assertion. That photograph is not useful as a source for your assertion because (1) it's not clear that it is a picture of Jesus (it doesn't look like one to me, and I was brought up Catholic - I've seen loads) and (2) even if it was clearly a picture of Jesus, you can not infer from that that he is a Catholic - that is WP:OR. I am not a Muslim, but I have Islamic prayer mats in my home - because I think they are beautiful. Find a reliable source that says 'He is not Jewish', or 'He is Catholic' - don't infer stuff from the pictures. GirthSummit (blether) 19:35, 9 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Girth, Fair enough. Please explicitly state that he went to Park Slope’s Congregation Beth Elohim for explicitly academic (concentration issues), and not for religious. The article is misleading and invites inferences that he attended the Jewish institution for religious reasons and he did not. Otherwise, why even mention it's a Jewish institution? It was a strictly academic program. Nobody writes "He attended Boston College, a Catholic institution" in their articles. Please fix.
That is a depiction of Jesus - it has a halo above his head. I feel as if you are deliberately being obtuse, but whatever. See: https://imgur.com/j041bMO — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.53.11.48 (talk) 21:11, 9 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2018/nov/07/fabiano-caruana-chess-interview-world-championship-magnus-carlsen
"A dual US-Italian citizen who was born in Miami and spent his childhood in Brooklyn’s Park Slope neighborhood, Caruana – who goes by Fabi – started playing chess aged five in an after-school program that he had joined to address issues concentrating in school."
https://www.chess-site.com/chess-players/fabiano-caruana/
"At the age of five, Fabiano Caruana learned chess in an after-school chess program. His parents had enrolled him because he was experiencing some disciplinary problems and they hoped the program would help. "
@108.53.11.48: OK, first off, please read WP:THREAD - it gives some advice on how to structure talk page discussions so that it's clear who is saying what.
Also, please sign your posts by typing four tildes, like this: ~~~~
Next, be careful about saying things like 'I feel as if you are deliberately being obtuse' - you are required to assume good faith of other editors - I've spent quite a bit of time responding to you, and I'm not doing it to frustrate you. I am not being obtuse, I just don't agree with you.
Even if this was an picture of Christ on the cross, wearing a crown of thorns and with the wound on his side, this would not be a reliable source to say that the subject of the article is a Catholic , or even that he is not Jewish - you need a reliable, independently-published source saying words like 'he is a Catholic', or 'he is not Jewish'. That's not just my opinion - I genuinely don't care whether this guy is Jewish, Hindu, Norse pagan or whatever - it's policy. A reliable source is required for any assertion, and when it's about a living person the policy is strictly enforced. The quotes you've pasted above say literally nothing about his faith.
As it stands, I don't see any policy-based reason to change the current wording of this section of the article. The fact that he was discovered in a Jewish education centre is factual, non-defamatory, neutrally presented and reliably sourced. If you really think that his faith is an important matter than should be discussed in the article, then go and find a reliable source that actually tells us what his faith is (without us having to rely on inference), and write a sentence to add to the article. If you find such a source, I'll be happy to help you with inline citation formatting. Cheers GirthSummit (blether) 23:16, 9 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

False warning for nonconstructive edit

I read in my talk page that I had been warned on an edit that replaced a speedy deletion tag "because it did not appear constructive." I assume this was meant for the person who deleted the speedy delete tag, but if it is not, could you please explain why it was not constructive?

Thanks, QUICKWITTEDHARE CONVERSE 19:27, 10 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@QuickWittedHare: I'm truly sorry, I messed up. I am new to Huggle, and was attempting to CSD the page myself - how I managed to template you, I am not sure, but I obviously need to go a bit slower on Huggle. I'll strike the template on your talk page and apologise there as well. GirthSummit (blether) 00:11, 11 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The Anti-Vandalism + STiki Barnstar

Congratulations, Girth Summit! You're receiving this barnstar because you recently crossed the 1,000 classification threshold using STiki. We thank you both for your contributions to Wikipedia at-large and your use of the tool. We hope you continue your ascent up the leaderboard and stay in touch at the talk page. Thank you and keep up the good work! West.andrew.g (talk) 16:21, 12 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks West.andrew.g - much appreciated. I'm enjoying using it, it's a great tool. GirthSummit (blether) 17:08, 12 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Misidentified vandalism on Game theory, but essential to the sense.

Hallo, Girth Summit; perhaps you could check out whether your edit that I have just reverted was a simple slip on your part or suggests a possible improvement to STiki (with which I am unfamiliar). PJTraill (talk) 11:20, 14 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hi PJTraill - I re-read it, and you are absolutely correct - my bad. I'm in the process of noting on the editor's page that this was a mistake. I might insert a note in the text asking editors not to change this - it looks like other people have made the same incorrect correction in the past. Thanks for letting me know, and apologies for the disruption. GirthSummit (blether) 11:22, 14 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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