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This source says one of the Sassanian defense lines was in Sistan, but I couldn't find further information. Another source mentions a defense line "west of what is yoday Afganistan", I don't know if the two refer to the same thing. --Z15:47, 22 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Support Per nom and WP:RS. Different era's, different entities, with different govenors/vassal rulers;
"It was Mithridates II who attended the problem of Sakastan by commissioning a Parthian notable or general, who did not belong to the Arsacid royal house, to recapture the province. It is the recapture of the province that, for the first time, puts the Parthian family name Suren on the map of Iranian history and invariably links it to Sistan." -- Gazerani, Saghi (2016). The Sistani Cycle of Epics and Iran's National History. BRILL. p. 14
"In the early Sasanian inscriptions the local semi-independent dynasts of Parthian days are mentioned: the kings of Abrenag, Marv, Carmania, Sakastan (they were at the court of Ardashir I), Adiabene, Iberia (at the court of Shapur I) (...) Already under Shapur I the independence of Abrenag and Marv was abolished, Sakastan became a province (shahr) (...) and was given as an appanage to Shapur I's son Narseh (...)" Lukonin, V.G. (1983). Yarshate, Ehsan, ed. The Cambridge History of Iran (Vol. 3 (2)). Cambridge University Press. p. 729
Oppose. And what's to happen with Sakastan? After the proposed move, it will redirect to this (retitled/disambiguated) article. So what's the point? If that's how it is to remain, I oppose per WP:CONCISE and unnecessary disambiguation. That said, I do see an article for Sistan. It's conceivable to create a WP:TWODABS page at Sakastan with links to this (retitled) article and to Sistan. But how likely is someone to be searching with "Sakastan" for Sistan? If the relative likelihood hood is low compared to the likelihood of searching for this article with Sakastan, as I suspect is this case (no evidence to the contrary), then this article is the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC for Sakastan and so Sakastan should be the title of this article or a WP:PRIMARYREDIRECT to it; but I've already covered that latter case... unnecessary disambiguation. I'm willing to change my mind if someone can show that Sistan is sufficiently likely to be sought by people searching with "Sakastan" that this article is not the primary topic. --В²C☎05:58, 20 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not quite sure I get what you're saying, but the plan is that Sakastan will get redirected to Sistan. Also Sakastan was the name of a region/province c. three centuries before the Sasanians arrived, imagine clicking Sakastan in a Indo-Scythian/Indo-Parthian/Saka/Parthian/early House of Suren-related article and then get sent to a Sasanian article. Think its safe to say that it would more appropriate to be sent to the Sistan article instead. --HistoryofIran (talk) 14:15, 20 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
What is the likelihood that someone searching with “Sakastan” is looking for the article at Sistan as opposed to this article? In other words, is the primary topic for “Sakastan” the subject of Sistan? Or the Sasanian Sakastan? —-В²C☎01:29, 21 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
It is very unlikely that they will be thinking of the Sasanian Sakastan when searching for "Sakastan". Instead, they will simply be looking for the geographic land. Khestwol (talk) 07:50, 21 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Think he was asking me, Khestwol (the user who created this article and actually has knowledge about this region). To answer your question, В²C, the primary topic for “Sakastan” is definitely without any doubt the subject of Sistan. These two sources, for example [1][2] has a lot of information the events of Sakastan and its appearance as a region before the Sasanians. Sakastan is the ancient name for Sistan, and is often mentioned as so. --HistoryofIran (talk) 15:16, 21 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
His question was general, that is why I answered. I think you are enforcing a PRO-PERSIAN POV, attempting to make it appear as if Sakastan did not exist outside of the Sasanian occupation. Khestwol (talk) 17:28, 21 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Ehh...what..? I've literally said the opposite all this time. Besides you accusing me of 'pro-Persian pov', this just goes to prove that you aren't eligible to participate in such discussion due to actually not understanding what has been going on all this time, not to mention you don't have any knowledge about this topic which isn't helping either. --HistoryofIran (talk) 17:51, 21 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Give it a rest... that is precisely the agenda you are trying to push, and evidently not only on this article. Sakastan as a term was used before the Sassanid. Why should the only article on Sakastan be exclusively on the Sassanid period? Sakastan is referenced in different articles e.g. in the Indo-Scythian period - using the term 'Sakastan' - yet if they click on the word, they will be linked to this article which focuses exclusively on Sassanids! 217.35.82.33 (talk) 18:02, 21 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]