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Protected edit request on 9 April 2019

Information to be added or removed: Sami Yusuf is a British-Iranian singer... NEED to change to Sami Yusuf is a British singer. Explanation of issue: Please see below — Preceding unsigned comment added by Madijahangir (talk • contribs) 08:09, 14 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

From Sami Yusuf management

1- For the last 16 years of Sami Yusuf’s career there has never been a mention of dual nationality. He has been correctly described as British in all these years and you can see this in all sources I mention below.

2- These changes only occurred recently by these two users that we are suspecting to be Iranian nationalists/supremacists who have their own agendas behind making these changes. Which is quite disturbing to be honest.

3- It is false to call Sami Yusuf "British-Iranian" as he does not hold Iranian citizenship and never has. For the purpose of clarification he is ethnically Azeri (not Iranian). So if you wanted to insist in referring to him by his ethnicity (which one could argue is quite racist) then he would need to be described as British-Azeri. Again, Mr Yusuf only holds British Citizenship based on all following important sources. Also here is the link confirming this in a 2018 Q&A session with Mr Yusuf: https://twitter.com/samiyusuf/status/960207745126453248 and his biography: https://samiyusufofficial.com/about-sami-yusuf/

4- Here are some very important sources for your reference that showing he has only British citizenship.

[1] [2] [3] [4] [5]

Again I would like to emphasize the sensitivity of this matter and implications of such false information. There are a huge amount of British, Amercian and generally Western nationals that have backgrounds elsewhere. Would we need to change all their pages and highlight their ethnic backgrounds? I don’t believe so as that would be a highly controversial move.

Madijahangir (talk) 08:03, 14 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Further to my colleague Madi’s comment above, I would like to add and re-emphasize the following:

Mr Yusuf is not a citizen of Iran and therefore describing him as British-Iranian is false. Mr Yusuf only holds British citizenship.

We are wondering on what basis such false information can be kept on his page. I refer to other examples of celebrities who have Western passports but are of different ethnic backgrounds. To give you a few examples:

Mo Farah, who was born in Mogadishu/ Somalia, is described as a ‘British Athlete’, The singer Dua Lipa, who is of Albanian descent is described as an ‘English singer’ London’s mayor Sadiq Khan, who is of Indian/Pakistani ancestry is described as a ‘British politician’.

What exactly is it about Sami Yusuf that does not make him ‘British enough’? It is difficult to not think of behind the scenes racist agendas here. These changes by suspicious individuals are done in bad faith without interest in truth. Not acknowledging Mr Sami Yusuf as a British citizen, ‘having to add’ and emphasize an ethnic background to him (which is - if one wanted to be truthful - not Iranian but Azeri) is simply discriminatory.

We kindly request that this matter be resolved and for this section to be locked so that no further changes can be made to this part of Mr Yusuf’s page. It is simply too time consuming and frustrating CCloverm16 (talk) 10:07, 14 April 2019 (UTC).[reply]


Dear https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:HistoryofIran

Please check all these important sources. 

https://www.theguardian.com/music/2006/apr/27/1?INTCMP=SRCH
https://www.thenational.ae/arts-culture/music/sami-yusuf-if-one-has-a-strong-spiritual-discipline-it-lessens-the-burden-1.813322
http://content.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1220754,00.html
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b04gnhvx
https://www.wfp.org/news/news-release/sami-yusuf-dedicates-new-song-typhoon-survivors-philippines  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mjahangir777 (talk • contribs) 16:09, 11 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Ref: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sami_Yusuf

Dear admins,

It is patently false to call Mr Yusuf "British-Iranian" as he does not hold Iranian citizenship/dual nationality and, for the purpose of clarification he is ethnically Azeri (not Iranian). He only holds British Citizenship. Here is the link confirming this in a 2018 Q&A session with Mr Yusuf: https://twitter.com/samiyusuf/status/960207745126453248

The following link has been sourced for this false claim surrounding his name: http://www.bbc.com/persian/arts/2015/07/150729_music_sami_yusof_iran_reaction

As it is a language I do not understand I had to get it translated. It is now clear that this article is 100% false. It has apparently been around for 4 years and has only come to our attention now through Wikipedia. We have already started to contact the BBC to get this article removed and will take all necessary actions as this is defamatory.

I would like to make it absolutely clear that Mr Yusuf only has one name, that is ’Sami Yusuf’. I am astonished that Wikipedia would take a very dubious source so seriously. We can send you Mr Yusuf’s passport copy in case the following link is not sufficient: https://twitter.com/samiyusuf/status/960210578043293696

I hope this precedes some random rumors - it would be quite tragic for Wikipedia’s credibility if it was otherwise. Logically, one would assume such claims would need to be backed with hard evidence (such as actual credible documents) and not just a tabloid-style article?


— Preceding unsigned comment added by Mjahangir777 (talk • contribs) 14:24, 10 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

A source for "Siamak Berenjan" and "Babak Radmanesh"

http://www.bbc.com/persian/arts/2015/07/150729_music_sami_yusof_iran_reaction –Skywatcher68 (talk) 17:08, 9 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]


As discussed above this is FAKE news and in a languages we don't understand and we can not use this as source.

The following link has been sourced for this false claim surrounding his name: http://www.bbc.com/persian/arts/2015/07/150729_music_sami_yusof_iran_reaction

As it is a language I do not understand I had to get it translated. It is now clear that this article is 100% false. It has apparently been around for 4 years and has only come to our attention now through Wikipedia.

I would like to make it absolutely clear that Sami Yusuf only has one name, that is ’Sami Yusuf’. I am astonished that Wikipedia would take a very dubious source so seriously. https://twitter.com/samiyusuf/status/960210578043293696 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mjahangir777 (talk • contribs) 21:15, 12 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The BBC is most definitely not fake! And that Twitter post has no bearing, given that the question was not about his birth name. –Skywatcher68 (talk) 18:46, 13 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

PLEAE CHECK THIS (URGENT)

Entire of this section is WRONG and misleading information. I surprised why you approve them! Check the sources, nothing about these lines mentioned there.

Sami Yusuf was born as Siamak Berenjan (سیامک برنجان) on 1980 in Tehran to Azerbaijani parents. His father is Firouz Berenjan, better known by his stage name Babak Radmanesh, an Iranian composer.[19][20][21] His grandparents are from Baku, Azerbaijan. His grandparents left Baku when it was recaptured by the Bolsheviks after the First World War.[22] Mjahangir777 (talk) 17:08, 9 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The only currently un-sourced material was his birthname and his father, which is given in the BBC article above. His father's real name is then given here. – Þjarkur (talk) 01:53, 10 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@Dusti:Please note the above: was unsourced. –Skywatcher68 (talk) 18:57, 13 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I took the page back to the last stable version before all of this edit warring happened. What would you like changed, and why? Dusti*Let's talk!* 19:02, 13 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@Dusti:See below. Those names are not unsourced nor are the sources fake.–Skywatcher68 (talk) 19:20, 13 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Iranian-British or British

Hello. We have received an edit request about Sami Yusuf's nationality in fawiki (This discussion). @WPooya: says that Sami Yusuf is British. Sources are in that discussion. @HistoryofIran: Hello. Since you know Farsi as well, please talk to WPooya about this. You may also want to read that discussion in fawiki. Thanks in advance. AhmadTalk 17:21, 13 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Dear @HistoryofIran: we can provide you all sources and documents in this regard. As you may know it was British all these years everywhere including Google graph and Wikipedia and you made changes suddenly and use your power to block us and keep your wrong information. If I know what is your purpose and what you achieve for that would be great. Kindly keep that line like what it WAS. Hope you read and answer to us.

Mjahangir 17:53, 13 April 2019 (UTC)

Seems like my "power" blocked you again. --HistoryofIran (talk) 18:52, 13 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Perhaps, History, you shouldn't be taunting users that you complain of harassing you. Else, that'll wind you up blocked yourself. Dusti*Let's talk!* 19:01, 13 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@Dusti: Come on, it was just a light hearted joke. --HistoryofIran (talk) 19:03, 13 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]


@Dusti: Dear Dusti, I'm not sure why you are blocked me and I would ask you to kindly check following reasons for few seconds. These users Skywatcher68 and User:historyofiran doesn't want to even listen what we are trying to say.

1- Since last 16 years of Sami Yusuf activities it wasn't mentioned anywhere that he has dual citizenship, He is only British of all these years and you can see this in all sources I mentioned above.

2- These changes only occurred recently by these two users that we are suspect they are Iranian nationalist/supremacist and try to make changes because of this.

3- It is patently false to call Sami Yusuf "British-Iranian" as he does not hold Iranian citizenship/dual nationality and, for the purpose of clarification he is ethnically Azeri (not Iranian). He only holds British Citizenship based on all following important sources. Also here is the link confirming this in a 2018 Q&A session with Mr Yusuf: https://twitter.com/samiyusuf/status/960207745126453248 and his biography: https://samiyusufofficial.com/about-sami-yusuf/

4- Here are some very important sources for your reference that showing he has only British citizenship. Other sources:

https://www.theguardian.com/music/2006/apr/27/1?INTCMP=SRCH https://www.thenational.ae/arts-culture/music/sami-yusuf-if-one-has-a-strong-spiritual-discipline-it-lessens-the-burden-1.813322 https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b04gnhvx https://www.wfp.org/news/news-release/sami-yusuf-dedicates-new-song-typhoon-survivors-philippines http://content.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1220754,00.html

And many many other sources.

I hope this time someone just listen to me and read through what I trying to say instead of BLOCKING.

Many thanks M 185.239.173.110 (talk) 19:51, 13 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

More sources for "Siamak Berenjan" (سیامک برنجان) and "Babak Radmanesh"

From July of last year: [1]

From April of last year:[2]

From July of 2015:[3]

From September of 2015:[4]

From November of last year:[5]

All "fake"? –Skywatcher68 (talk) 19:18, 13 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

We can not even READ what it says here! they are all made up links. please provide ONE VALID english source! I would ask you to see his biography too: https://samiyusufofficial.com/biography

I'm sorry but what you are trying to mention is not right.

185.239.173.107 (talk) 19:27, 13 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

More block evasion by Mjahangir. --HistoryofIran (talk) 19:29, 13 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
https://samiyusufofficial.com/biography: "This site can’t be reached". –Skywatcher68 (talk) 19:32, 13 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
English Wikipedia has no requirement that sources be in English, otherwise there would be no option to cite works in other languages. Google has over 100,000 hits for "سیامک برنجان"; all above links have been verified that the "سیامک برنجان" in question is Sami Yusuf. –Skywatcher68 (talk) 19:41, 13 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Stop spread hate skywatcher68! Answer me, please provide one important English source for your claim.

Stop trying to ignore facts. –Skywatcher68 (talk) 19:57, 13 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  1. ^ https://www.theguardian.com/music/2006/apr/27/1?INTCMP=SRCH
  2. ^ https://www.thenational.ae/arts-culture/music/sami-yusuf-if-one-has-a-strong-spiritual-discipline-it-lessens-the-burden-1.813322
  3. ^ https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b04gnhvx
  4. ^ https://www.wfp.org/news/news-release/sami-yusuf-dedicates-new-song-typhoon-survivors-philippines
  5. ^ http://content.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1220754,00.html
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