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NAME

Everything I've ever heard (including his website) points to Jefferies as the proper spelling, NOT Jeffries. Change it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.109.127.149 (talk) 15:54, 15 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Notability

His only claim to fame seems to be that a drunk member of the audience once hit him in Manchester. The entry seems to be a vanity/publicity piece, as witnessed by the fact a link to the video of him being punched has been posted on this "discussion" page. Why? 06:13, 05 July 2007 (UTC)

And a comedian who has featured on several television programmes, including Have I Got News For You, which is watched by millions on BBC One. The JPStalk to me 16:05, 5 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

He is clearly not "is the funniest man ever to live". The link supporting this ludicrous claim doesn't work either. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Simonc1 (talk • contribs) 17:38, 20 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Rewrite

Previous versions of this article had limitations, and their speedy deletions were probably justified. I have rewritten this article and it now easily meets WP:BIO. The JPStalk to me 14:00, 18 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Has he got any parents?2.101.151.145 (talk) 15:36, 24 July 2016 (UTC)Lance Tyrell[reply]

Jim Jeffries Punched

http://youtube.com/watch?v=2WCGKb8ikRc Jim is live on stage and he get punched.

Why did the guy punch Jim Jeffries?

What is the story behind that?

He obviously had a particularly ugly vagina. --Uksam88 (talk) 15:20, 18 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

O&A

Is this page about Jim Jeffries or about his appearences on Opie and Anthony?

His official site spells his name Jefferies, not Jeffries. What's up?

Am I missing something here?

This part of the opening line

"Jim Jefferies[1] (born Sydney, Australia) (spelled as "Jim Jefferies" in the United States)"

Are they not exactly the same spellings? 90.218.188.163 (talk) 21:14, 19 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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It seems to be more than an "internet smear campaign"

The page is currently locked after a mini edit war with a fair amount of vandalism, some of which has been labelled in the reverts as "an internet smear campaign"; I think that characterization might be accurate, but is one-sided as the debate seems to run in both directions. Since there are aspects of BLP here, I'm simply reporting here what I saw in a video (below) and the edit history of this page, and of course corrections/clarifications are welcome. I thought I'd add some evidence to the talk page to inform the discussion of what's going on. Here is the source of the "he's islamophobic" charge, this hidden camera video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odCQhAezB_Q released by Avi Yemini video segments of whom were recorded some week ago but were included in a a recent Jeffries piece that aired in the wake of the Christchurch shootings. Yemini I'm not that familiar with but from my reading is apparently a pro-Israeli OZie who in the current political climate would likely be labelled as "alt-right", and whether he uses that label himself or not, he denies that he is far right. He is claiming that when "off camera" Jefferies presents a different persona to an interviewee and then edits the interview to color the interviewee and cover up Jefferies's own comments (which I would characterize as seemingly to stir up trouble, perhaps to evoke "candid" or "off guard" remarks). Watch from the beginning or here are some useful timestamps: 4:30 Jefferies indicates he has sketched a cartoon of Mohammed who he makes some mild criticism of, and 5:45 Jefferies criticizes the burka and, while no doubt joking, suggests "the dingo" would have vomited a Moslem baby. Avi Yemini at the beginning of this youtube suggests that there are more excerpts of this video soon to be released. 98.13.244.125 (talk) 01:08, 22 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I'm pretty sure whoever made these edits simply meant to point out a certain hypocrisy, namely that when right-leaning individuals make similar jokes or statements, they are regularly labelled as "islamophobic" by the mainstream media. Perhaps we should make a Controversy section, seeing as this story is fairly prominent (Avi Yemini's hidden cam video has been up for less than 2 days but has almost a million views). M . M 10:43, 22 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
There is video evidence of these things. They are not "claiming" when the videos are available to prove it. "I'm not a fan of Islam. I think that wearing a burka is stupid". Jim Jeffries is a liar and a toad. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.161.207.38 (talk) 13:36, 22 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I've only heard of him because of the controversy and then I go on wikipedia to learn more and there's no mention of it and in fact it is being actively blocked. This could be the most notable information about him. 2600:1700:E3A0:EF80:34DB:CF63:C233:F0C0 (talk) 18:32, 22 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
There has been another youtube video [1] which showed that Avi Yemeni himself edited his own recording to incorrectly portray the responses of Jim Jeffrey. The unedited footage was gained by purchase from Avi Yemeni's Patreon and clearly shows that the claims made are false in light of the material cut before and after certain segments of the video referring to the supposed 'Anti-Islamic and dingo baby quote' which was preceded by a disclaimer that Jim Jefferies feels the same about all religions, not singling out Islam in particular. Whilst I do not have a source for the next claim, the Muhammad drawing segment was always purported to be false as Jefferies later indicated, after mentioning he was drawing Muhammad, that he drew 'Mike'- referring to a person off screen. Apparently the footage showcasing this is on Avi Yemeni's Patreon and I strong suggest that the newly added controversy section be deleted or not refer to sources of dubious validity until a link to the unedited footage is given and is compared to the Jim Jefferies segment and the Avi Yemeni videos so that a conclusion under a reasonable standard of evidence can be surmised.24.44.9.27 (talk) 16:10, 25 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
As per Wikipedia's policies on biographies of living people, this type of information (whether positive or negative) would need to be reported in reliable, independent sources, rather than based on Youtube videos. Also, note that if the information is notable enough to be reported by reliable sources, then it should be merged into the main body of the article, rather than in a separate "controversy" section. --Wallyfromdilbert (talk) 01:20, 26 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Breitbart have posted a news article dated 26 March 2019 by Lucas Nolan detailing the incident with Jim Jefferies and Avi Yemini, including references to the Avi's Facebook banning and the hidden camera recording as detailed in the original Wiki Edits. For some reason, Wikipedia blocks link posting from Breitbart in Talk sections. - This should be sufficient justification for the edits as shown in the previous Wiki page update. [1] NorseStorm57 (talk) 05:30, 26 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The left wing seems to be vandalising this page and removing accurate and proven information. These things should be added immediately and then his page should be prevented from being tampered with again. Just because the footage is unflattering doesn't mean it isn't accurate. As a historian this information should be re-added. The validity of the video is without question and is properly source. BrendanMtx (talk) 06:55, 26 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding the interview with Avi Yemini

Here are some sources that should be possible to use for the incident. Breitbart is not allowed as a reference in Wikipedia anymore. They should preferably be used in a "Controversies" section.

https://jpost.com/Diaspora/Jim-Jeffries-video-captures-comedians-antisemitic-and-anti-Islam-slurs-584721

https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/blogs/tim-blair/jim-jefferies-busted/news-story/471a285d1438aed7a3ce641b934533bc

https://www.thepostmillennial.com/comedy-central-host-exposed-as-a-hypocrite-by-hidden-camera/

David A (talk) 09:39, 26 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The second source is a dead link plus the other two sources are opinion pieces that are based on a youtube video that is released from one of the involved parties. Youtube videos are considered poor sources by Wikipedia and pieces citing them as their sole source are by the transitive property unreliable. Secondly, released footage from Yemeni's Patreon account and another video posted by a youtube user shows that the Yemeni video itself was edited and cut parts out- to make an already dodgy piece of evidence even more dodgy. In light of this, this entire story is a damp squib- put opinion pieces in opinion pieces. Put facts that submit to a reasonable burden of proof to this page. Furthermore there are too few corresponding sources, or sources from outlets with reputable levels of impartiality, to confer an appropriate level of consensus to this incident. 24.44.9.27 (talk) 01:51, 27 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

As far as I remember, the videos in question explicitly show Jim Jefferies drawing and mocking Muhammad, and making disparaging comments about Muslims, and that Avi Yemini explicitly told him to stop. Then the published Comedy Central version of the interview cut together different segments of question with different answers than the ones Yemini actually gave to each question, and tried to tie him, a Jew, to neo-Nazi groups. That the mainstream media has mostly tried to cover up this very notable incident, does not mean that Wikipedia should do so as well. David A (talk) 05:42, 27 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I also corrected the missing link. My apologies for the inconvenience. David A (talk) 05:45, 27 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

There appear to be 4 relevant videos with clips from the Jim Jefferies interview and another from his standup routine comments about Muslims in Avi Yemini's Youtube channel. They definitely did not seem edited to me, and I strongly doubt that Avi Yemini has the skill to perform extremely convincing video editing. You can verify for yourselves if you wish. I tried to include the links, but was stopped by a blacklist filter. David A (talk) 06:25, 27 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Never mind. I figured out a solution: https://pastebin.com/RtEfnrpm David A (talk) 06:54, 27 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thank for you amending the missing link. However my points still stands about the dubious nature of youtube videos as primary sources. An acceptable video as a primary source would be footage with proper time stamps, with no opinion piece or edits or switches to different segments of the footage and probably access to the original storage medium itself. Video footage is an acceptable source if it shows clear and convincing proof of an irrefutable act, such as with a physical altercation, physical vandalism, etc. The burden of proof becomes higher with statements where contextual cues and an established narrative are essential to validate an interpretation.

In the case of content pertaining to cited videos, we can only make the following claims:

Jim Jefferies said he was drawing Muhammad, however we don't have footage that shows the depiction nor confirmation from Jim, Avi or anyone else (during the video) that he drew him. To establish explicit portrayal of such an act, an image of the drawing is a minimum requirement. All way we can say that he declared he was drawing Muhammad and drew something.

Furthermore, (the following point lacks a source currently and is considered speculation), viewers of footage from Avi's Patreon stated that Jim after drawing said image said that he drew Mike- indicating to a staff member off screen.

To the second point, making statements in a comedic show or setting- whether of an inflammatory nature or not- cannot be used to infer that the speaker of said statements holds those views. Whilst you can certainly make arguments that argue for this claim, no argument would be sufficient without proof of intent, which I would argue is impossible in this context. If there is relevant evidence to Jim Jefferies displaying behaviour consistent with these views in a public non-comedic setting, this source would be more acceptable- I cannot declare it fits the standards of Wikipedia but you can check the sources page to see what criteria sources must match.

This is the essential problem with video evidence showed by a party member involved in an incident. We cannot account for reliability and impartiality especially considering the polemic nature of the video and the agenda in said video. Regardless of implicated slander, the standards for acceptable sources must be met. An opinion of whether the video lacking any editing or concerning the uploader's editing skill is not acceptable as proof. Not to mention that cropping videos and segmenting them together seems to be a skill that the uploader or an acquaintance of the uploader has ability to do concerning he pieced together his recorded statement and the clip from the show. You can I suppose do a detailed frame by frame analysis of the video and check for editing, although you would probably require metadata of the original video.

Tying access to particular groups or slander may be addressed in a court of law. If Avi Yemeni submits a defamation suit against Jim Jefferies, the Jim Jefferies show, or any involved party, a link to the case details from a court database would be perfectly acceptable as citations for your claim. If there has been truly been an attempt at slander that was purported to cause distress to the subject, I would opine that, regarding the current insufficiency of evidence, a lawsuit by the defendant would be a probable means to acquire appropriate evidence pertaining to the required standard, statements from both parties under oath and a ruling in favor of or against the defendant. 24.44.9.27 (talk) 06:58, 27 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  1. ^ Breitbart News recently reported on Avi Yemini, the Jewish-Australian political commentator who released a video exposé on Australian comedian Jim Jefferies. Yemini was worried about the interview being edited selectively so he set up his phone to record the whole conversation. Jefferies interviewed Yemini some months ago, but only published the video recently following the shooting at the Christchurch mosque in New Zealand. In fact, The Jim Jefferies Show appears to imply that the interview took place after the shooting. Jefferies discusses many issues with Yemini, but mainly focuses on the topics of Islam and Australian migration laws.
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